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snmlmz · 07-01-2011, 07:12 PM

i have a 98 s14 with an rb20det swap. i need a new intercooler and friend told me to get a powered by max intercooler. i read the website and it said its only for sr's can anyone help me with my intercooler problem? just post on the thread thanx.

titangts · 07-01-2011, 07:13 PM

dude..just go on ebay and buy a cx racing intercooler kit.. its cheap and works..

wannabdr1ftr · 07-01-2011, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by titangts

dude..just go on ebay and buy a cx racing intercooler kit.. its cheap and works..

Don't do this....

Go to rawbrokage.com

tricky_ab · 07-01-2011, 07:34 PM

Yeah head over to rawbrokerage.com and hit them up over email. Also take a look at the sales thread for the PBM intercooler and ask there or PM/email them.

whitepony22 · 07-01-2011, 08:04 PM

Rawbrokerage, or just have someone fab some piping for the PBM high mount. Several guys have it on their rb swap. There are pics in the forum link off the high mount page.

rbs14kouki · 07-01-2011, 08:05 PM

I was running the PBM intercooler on my rb26 s14 !!!! Worked freaking great

frizzle · 07-01-2011, 08:28 PM

Get the pbm hmic and just make or modify the ic piping.

240sxr · 07-01-2011, 08:29 PM

maybe what your friend means is that you should get a PBM intercooler because of their hi mount position....but the problem is that your rb need the inlet/outlet on the same side unless you have a custom intake manifold

Sileighty_85 · 07-01-2011, 08:32 PM

I wasnt impressed with the PBM FMIC kit. had a buddy get one for his S14.
Seemed like the Core was just a Universal one.
I hated that I had to fab up mounts for the Core with the supplied straight brackets, Dont even think I used them found some metal lying around the garage.

Hopefully they changed the design by now.

But if you want a bolt up IC, take a look at the Mckinney IC Kit

rbs14kouki · 07-01-2011, 09:42 PM

sidewaysil80 · 07-01-2011, 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sileighty_85

I wasnt impressed with the PBM FMIC kit. had a buddy get one for his S14.
Seemed like the Core was just a Universal one.
I hated that I had to fab up mounts for the Core with the supplied straight brackets, Dont even think I used them found some metal lying around the garage.

Hopefully they changed the design by now.

But if you want a bolt up IC, take a look at the Mckinney IC Kit

yeah they def changed it up, i've heard some horror stories of missing couplers/clamps, wrong piping...some polished, some not, etc. i still went with them though since they "re-designed" the kit. i was pretty impressed. core does seem generic but the welds look good, piping/core are polished, and the clamps are nice polished/t-bolt ones. ONLY thing i can complain about is the amount of trimming you need to fit it. they make it seem very simple snip here snip there but in actuality it was a pain in the ass and not simple. but for like 3 something shipped, you really can't beat it considering it does fit well/lines up, and everything is great quality, not too mention how great their customer service is.

DC Dan MAX USA · 07-01-2011, 10:56 PM

There was a time we hand made the pipes in the USA, they were not polished.

Now that its a mass produced thing, the appearance is awesome. You can see the progress we went through on our products forum.

It is absolutely a custom built core, and if you look at anyone who uses some random core the intercooler is much smaller.

Yes you have to cut, no you cant use AC but really its all about maximizing the intercooler in that space while leaving the radiator to have some direct flow as well.

Ask anyone who has the MAX HMIC kit, the turbo response is amazing and the water temp is a night and day difference.

Sileighty_85 · 07-01-2011, 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DC Dan MAX USA

There was a time we hand made the pipes in the USA, they were not polished.

Now that its a mass produced thing, the appearance is awesome. You can see the progress we went through on our products forum.

It is absolutely a custom built core, and if you look at anyone who uses some random core the intercooler is much smaller.

Yes you have to cut, no you cant use AC but really its all about maximizing the intercooler in that space while leaving the radiator to have some direct flow as well.

Ask anyone who has the MAX HMIC kit, the turbo response is amazing and the water temp is a night and day difference.

Not sure if that was a response to me but I was referring to the FMIC Core.
I like all the other parts ya'll make, it was just the mounting points of that core I wasnt impressed with.

This was over a year ago so not sure if yall redesigned it.

thefro526 · 07-02-2011, 11:30 AM

I bought an HMIC Core to use with my 1JZ from PBM. Takes a little bit of cutting and figuring to install on an S13, but it's not really a big deal.

As far as the brackets, they worked fine for me.

If you're going to use the HMIC core with any motor that PBM doesn't offer piping for, it's not really a big deal to make your own pipes. Just buy some aluminum IC pipes from ebay, cut the pieces to make the pipes and have them welded - should take no more than an hour to weld up the pipes if you keep them simple.

Silverbullet · 07-02-2011, 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DC Dan MAX USA

It is absolutely a custom built core, and if you look at anyone who uses some random core the intercooler is much smaller.

Do you mind if i ask what type of core is used for the kit? Is it safe to assume it is a generic core like many of the Ebay brands?

roboticnissan · 07-03-2011, 10:50 AM

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a Cx racing intercooler kits. The.rb20 kits fit much better than their Sr20 kits.

DC Dan MAX USA · 07-06-2011, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sileighty_85

Not sure if that was a response to me but I was referring to the FMIC Core.
I like all the other parts ya'll make, it was just the mounting points of that core I wasnt impressed with.

This was over a year ago so not sure if yall redesigned it.

Its too common for UPS to smash our brackets, they love to throw boxes.
But the bracket design is on point FWIW on all of our installations.

Quote:

Originally Posted by thefro526

As far as the brackets, they worked fine for me.

Just buy some aluminum IC pipes from ebay, cut the pieces to make the pipes and have them welded - should take no more than an hour to weld up the pipes if you keep them simple.

F ebay. In my opinion every aluminum pipe I've seen welds like shit compared to ATP turbo's pipe - thats what we buy when we do custom pipe jobs, not a mirror finish though like our production parts.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silverbullet

Do you mind if i ask what type of core is used for the kit? Is it safe to assume it is a generic core like many of the Ebay brands?

you quoted me saying its absolutely custom, so no its not safe to say its a generic core.
It is 100% custom built specifically for this application to maximize the space available to the intercooler.
the core is 688x190x86mm

gerson408 · 07-06-2011, 12:38 PM

ups does like to throw shit all over the place believe me i know.

thefro526 · 07-06-2011, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DC Dan MAX USA

F ebay. In my opinion every aluminum pipe I've seen welds like shit compared to ATP turbo's pipe - thats what we buy when we do custom pipe jobs, not a mirror finish though like our production parts.

I stand corrected, lol. Just checked ATP's site, their stuff looks awesome.

*ManoNegra* · 07-06-2011, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silverbullet

Do you mind if i ask what type of core is used for the kit? Is it safe to assume it is a generic core like many of the Ebay brands?

Quote:

Originally Posted by DC Dan MAX USA

you quoted me saying its absolutely custom, so no its not safe to say its a generic core.
It is 100% custom built specifically for this application to maximize the space available to the intercooler.
the core is 688x190x86mm

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume he meant the quality of the core
fin count/design, cooling capacity, pressure drop, etc?
I mean, is it ARC/Spearco /Garrett Military core quality or Godspeed/Megan/SS Autochrome?
I'm actually considering your kit.

ILoveMyRHS13 · 07-06-2011, 12:59 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I heard that MAX uses Greddy cores. Was that on the original kit and not the mass-produced one or was that a rumor?

Silverbullet · 07-06-2011, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManoNegra

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume he meant the quality of the core
fin count/design, cooling capacity, pressure drop, etc?
I mean, is it ARC/Spearco /Garrett Military core quality or Godspeed/Megan/SS Autochrome?
I'm actually considering your kit.

That is exactly what I meant. I just didn't want to be that clear and cut incase PBM had a hesitant answer.

DC Dan MAX USA · 07-06-2011, 02:47 PM

Its a bar-plate intercooler like cheaper models you see out there, not tube fin like more expensive units. Reason being the space constraints, tube fin end tanks take up about a half inch more space in front of and in back of the core. Bar plate can be made in any measurements and have flush end tanks. Tube fin materials are only available in a small selection of widths. Our end tanks already touch the lights on S14/15 so we would have been forced into a much slimmer intercooler core had we gone the other direction.

bottom line goals were met considering all things

Price

fit

cooling

insane turbo response

definitely tried and true at this point, we have been doing this for years using every possible method and we are very pleased with the results this product gives to our customers.

godrifttoday · 07-06-2011, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ManoNegra

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume he meant the quality of the core
fin count/design, cooling capacity, pressure drop, etc?
I mean, is it ARC/Spearco /Garrett Military core quality or Godspeed/Megan/SS Autochrome?
I'm actually considering your kit.

i think they assume their stuff is superior, since they tried it on their cars? bigger better theory?? who knows, just saying

DC Dan MAX USA · 07-06-2011, 04:20 PM

In regards to MAX HMIC versus the typical huge FMIC, smaller is better

In regards to MAX HMIC versus any smaller off the shelf IC that fits in the HMIC location, bigger is better.

we have indeed tried everything already on our cars, and customers cars that came in for custom work

PoorMans180SX · 07-06-2011, 05:16 PM

There are benefits to both kinds of intercoolers; bar and plate ic's usually have a denser fin count, meaning the air going through it gives up more of it's heat, but this in turn makes them "flow" less and have a slightly higher pressure drop. You can actually improve the flow by attaching thin aluminum bar stock, cut in half lengthwise, to the front of each plate. I suppose you could do really thin tubing if you're anal about weight, but it would be tricky. This would make a nice bell-mouth entry to the fin sections.

07-01-2011, 07:12 PM	#1
snmlmz Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Los Angeles Age: 29 Posts: 32 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	powered by max? i have a 98 s14 with an rb20det swap. i need a new intercooler and friend told me to get a powered by max intercooler. i read the website and it said its only for sr's can anyone help me with my intercooler problem? just post on the thread thanx.

07-01-2011, 08:05 PM	#6
rbs14kouki Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Montreal , Canada Age: 35 Posts: 817 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I was running the PBM intercooler on my rb26 s14 !!!! Worked freaking great __________________ AV FABRICATION Built thread sr20vet s14 http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=535574

07-01-2011, 08:32 PM	#9
Sileighty_85 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Misawa, Japan Posts: 6,815 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	I wasnt impressed with the PBM FMIC kit. had a buddy get one for his S14. Seemed like the Core was just a Universal one. I hated that I had to fab up mounts for the Core with the supplied straight brackets, Dont even think I used them found some metal lying around the garage. Hopefully they changed the design by now. But if you want a bolt up IC, take a look at the Mckinney IC Kit __________________ 後輪駆動車１番 1989 Built SR GT2871R -363whp 1998 S14 W/RB25- 250ish (For Now) 1986 SR86 - 200ish 1990 R32 GTR - 320hp Don't Buy Engines from JDM-Online http://zilvia.net/f/businesses/207457-jdm-online.html Don't Buy XS-Power or SSAC Shit

07-01-2011, 09:42 PM	#10
rbs14kouki Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Montreal , Canada Age: 35 Posts: 817 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	__________________ AV FABRICATION Built thread sr20vet s14 http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=535574

07-01-2011, 10:56 PM	#12
DC Dan MAX USA Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,478 Trader Rating: (79) Feedback Score: 79 reviews	There was a time we hand made the pipes in the USA, they were not polished. Now that its a mass produced thing, the appearance is awesome. You can see the progress we went through on our products forum. It is absolutely a custom built core, and if you look at anyone who uses some random core the intercooler is much smaller. Yes you have to cut, no you cant use AC but really its all about maximizing the intercooler in that space while leaving the radiator to have some direct flow as well. Ask anyone who has the MAX HMIC kit, the turbo response is amazing and the water temp is a night and day difference. __________________ How To order: You can order directly from our zilvia advertiser threads. When you add to cart, you get an instant shipping estimate, & the cart will remember all of your items as you move between forum threads and our website www.poweredbymax.net until you remove them or check out. I can also calculate estimates manually for you but the cart's estimates are way faster and more accurate. Order Inquiry: IM me your real name and paypal address. Thanks for your business!

07-01-2011, 07:13 PM	#2
titangts Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: charlotte Posts: 666 Trader Rating: (10) Feedback Score: 10 reviews	dude..just go on ebay and buy a cx racing intercooler kit.. its cheap and works..

07-01-2011, 07:34 PM	#4
tricky_ab Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: It's dark, and hell is hot! Posts: 9,413 Trader Rating: (23) Feedback Score: 23 reviews	Yeah head over to rawbrokerage.com and hit them up over email. Also take a look at the sales thread for the PBM intercooler and ask there or PM/email them.

07-01-2011, 08:04 PM	#5
whitepony22 Zilvia Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Georgia Posts: 170 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	Rawbrokerage, or just have someone fab some piping for the PBM high mount. Several guys have it on their rb swap. There are pics in the forum link off the high mount page.

07-01-2011, 08:28 PM	#7
frizzle In time-out for misbehaving. Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 1,071 Trader Rating: (45) Feedback Score: 45 reviews	Get the pbm hmic and just make or modify the ic piping.

07-01-2011, 08:29 PM	#8
240sxr Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: tijuana,baja,mexico Age: 33 Posts: 26 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	maybe what your friend means is that you should get a PBM intercooler because of their hi mount position....but the problem is that your rb need the inlet/outlet on the same side unless you have a custom intake manifold

07-02-2011, 11:30 AM	#14
thefro526 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,813 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	I bought an HMIC Core to use with my 1JZ from PBM. Takes a little bit of cutting and figuring to install on an S13, but it's not really a big deal. As far as the brackets, they worked fine for me. If you're going to use the HMIC core with any motor that PBM doesn't offer piping for, it's not really a big deal to make your own pipes. Just buy some aluminum IC pipes from ebay, cut the pieces to make the pipes and have them welded - should take no more than an hour to weld up the pipes if you keep them simple. __________________ http://thefro526.wordpress.com/ Deto International

07-03-2011, 10:50 AM	#16
roboticnissan Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: SOCAL/NORCAL Age: 32 Posts: 1,867 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	There is absolutely nothing wrong with a Cx racing intercooler kits. The.rb20 kits fit much better than their Sr20 kits. __________________

07-06-2011, 12:38 PM	#18
gerson408 Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2008 Location: Fremont Age: 31 Posts: 829 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	ups does like to throw shit all over the place believe me i know.

07-06-2011, 02:47 PM	#23
DC Dan MAX USA Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,478 Trader Rating: (79) Feedback Score: 79 reviews	Its a bar-plate intercooler like cheaper models you see out there, not tube fin like more expensive units. Reason being the space constraints, tube fin end tanks take up about a half inch more space in front of and in back of the core. Bar plate can be made in any measurements and have flush end tanks. Tube fin materials are only available in a small selection of widths. Our end tanks already touch the lights on S14/15 so we would have been forced into a much slimmer intercooler core had we gone the other direction. bottom line goals were met considering all things Price fit cooling insane turbo response definitely tried and true at this point, we have been doing this for years using every possible method and we are very pleased with the results this product gives to our customers. __________________ How To order: You can order directly from our zilvia advertiser threads. When you add to cart, you get an instant shipping estimate, & the cart will remember all of your items as you move between forum threads and our website www.poweredbymax.net until you remove them or check out. I can also calculate estimates manually for you but the cart's estimates are way faster and more accurate. Order Inquiry: IM me your real name and paypal address. Thanks for your business!

07-06-2011, 04:20 PM	#25
DC Dan MAX USA Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: San Diego Posts: 2,478 Trader Rating: (79) Feedback Score: 79 reviews	In regards to MAX HMIC versus the typical huge FMIC, smaller is better In regards to MAX HMIC versus any smaller off the shelf IC that fits in the HMIC location, bigger is better. we have indeed tried everything already on our cars, and customers cars that came in for custom work __________________ How To order: You can order directly from our zilvia advertiser threads. When you add to cart, you get an instant shipping estimate, & the cart will remember all of your items as you move between forum threads and our website www.poweredbymax.net until you remove them or check out. I can also calculate estimates manually for you but the cart's estimates are way faster and more accurate. Order Inquiry: IM me your real name and paypal address. Thanks for your business!

07-06-2011, 05:16 PM	#26
PoorMans180SX Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Michigan Age: 33 Posts: 5,431 Trader Rating: (16) Rides Gallery: PoorMans180SX Feedback Score: 16 reviews	There are benefits to both kinds of intercoolers; bar and plate ic's usually have a denser fin count, meaning the air going through it gives up more of it's heat, but this in turn makes them "flow" less and have a slightly higher pressure drop. You can actually improve the flow by attaching thin aluminum bar stock, cut in half lengthwise, to the front of each plate. I suppose you could do really thin tubing if you're anal about weight, but it would be tricky. This would make a nice bell-mouth entry to the fin sections. __________________ Build: http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=643065 Friends don't let friends buy knock-offs.

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