stevenrapids

Well we know Ray's family left her at a young age. My theory is that after seeing what happened with Kilo, they did not want her to know the truth. We can assume she is the daughter of either leia or luke. From what I have heard from people that read a lot into the books and break-offs is that Hans and Leia had twins, one became a sith lord and the other a Jedi.

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I honestly hope she's from a whole different family. She seems to be Kylo's age, and if she's a twin... Then why did he go to live with Luke and she got abandoned?

Shit parents to the extreme.

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dizzariot

CONS:
- Didn't like Kylo Ren. His fucking super-emo demeanor rivaled that of Anakin's in the prequels. I understand they have to show his inner conflict but I don't fucking like this dude's adaptation.
- Because of my disdain for Kylo, the death of Han Solo seemed premature. It felt like it was a sacrifice of the old to bring about interest in the new...but the new guy (Kylo) is hard for me to get behind. Character is super fucking lame. They could've waited until the next movie to axe a main character and even then I'd settle for Chewie being the one to bite the bullet. It's been sad that Harrison Ford didn't really want to do this movie either so maybe it was a logical choice.
- Did not like how Supreme Leader Snoke was 100% CGI...and Maz Kanata. For fuck's sake, JJ Abrams did an awesome job using practical effects in the background but I still wanted more than just set pieces and filler characters to be practical.
- Getting a big-name actress to play Captain Phasma and then having her largest part be the butt of a joke. She better be in the next film.
- Carrie Fisher needs to go back to acting school.

PROS:
- All the new characters are awesome. Finn, Rey, Poe, and BB8 are the perfect candidates to revive this franchise. Their acting was great.
- Han Solo/Chewie dialogue reminded me of the old movies so much. I'm amazed how Harrison Ford was able to snap back into it. I enjoyed every scene they shared together.
- Secret cameos by Daniel Craig.
- The guys from The Raid having a small part lol.

I really like JJ Abrams as a director. I'm sure with enough buzz and discussion floating around on the internet he'll take some likes/dislikes into consideration when the next film is in the works. He had a huge task to complete and using the template of the Episode IV gets a pass in my book even though I talked shit about it before. It was done well. The only thing he has to do is use this template-movie as a springboard to launch his own stories for the next two.


REY:
- Argument for Luke: Even though Han/Leia knew enough about Luke to send their son to train with him it seems like he's been distant in every sense of the word. In 30yr's time he could have easily had a child with someone. Maybe that's why Kylo had an issue with him: Jedi aren't supposed to love, Luke preaches this, Kylo finds out Luke has a wife/daughter, Kylo revolts. The scene where the young Rey is being left on Jakku could be Luke dropping her off after the Kylo shit does south. He wouldn't have told a soul for obvious reasons.

- Argument for Han/Leia: They might not be twins. Kylo might be a bit older and even a year's difference paired with an inability to reach Kylo can explain why he doesn't know. Rey was born afterwards and maybe Kylo was unreachable during his training with Luke so he never knew about her. Kylo flips shit with Luke, and Luke returns to Han/Leia to tell them what happened. He sees they have another child and (knowing the potential for disaster) decides to hide her from her brother. It's been said that Jedi can alter memories but I've never read any books/comics so I can't confirm this. If Luke is as powerful a Jedi as he's made to be then hiding the memory of a daughter should be easy for him. They could even be playing the biggest poker game ever with the best poker faces...we all know how people like to lie a out family ties in Star Wars lol.

We all know there are a shitload of recurring themes and although I can see the argument for Luke it just seems too easy. If Rey is Kylo's sister it gives us a lot for the franchise: the big reveal in the second movie (Rey's got a brother), the struggle between light/dark in a single family (why is Kylo bad and why is Rey good? How?), and the turmoil Luke faces when he has to confront a failed disciple.

Sorry for the spelling/grammatical errors. Normally I'm not this bad but my thoughts are racing at a million-miles-per-minute when I think about this lol.

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drift freaq

Zeitgeist, if you don't have anything good to say why don't you just shut up. At this point all you are doing is trolling the thread.

I saw it on release day and felt it lived up to the originals. Like others have said it pretty much dismisses the prequels and brings the story back on point . Plus Harrison Ford stole the show. I was quite shocked when they killed Han.

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I didn't really like the movie. There was a lot of things I didn't really agree on. It didn't have the classic Star Wars feel to it, and left a lot of unanswered questions. I loved the prequels regardless of what anyone else says. It still had that Lucas touch to it.

-This movie was so hyped up I was expecting to leave with nothing short of amazing. It was an okay movie overall and I was expecting way more. I didn't really connect with any of the new characters like I did with a New Hope.

-They made Chewbacca look like a complete bitch. In the original trilogy he was very stubborn, killed like a barbarian, and held his own as a major character. In this movie they really made him look weak. Solo was constantly taking his bowcaster from him and it really pissed me off.

-Kylo Ren was a joke. He was introduced to be this major bad ass and then at the end gets defeating by a girl who barely found out about the force a few scenes prior. His lightsaber was douchy and overall just a lame attempt to create a villian. I mean come on Darth Maul was bad fucking ass and yes I understand that he hasn't completed his training to become a Sith Lord. Hopefully they make him more promising in the movies to come.

-The whole scene where they are discussing the plan to destroy the Starkiller Base or whatever the hell it was called was just so rushed and lame.

-The scene after Solo died where Rey, Finn, and Chewie come back to the base and approached Leia, was very emotionless. Like they couldn't even have a proper funeral or any sort of remembrance for the guy who played a huge roll in destroying the Empire...It was just like oh okay no big deal it was only Han Solo.

-I was hoping to see more familiar ships then just the X-wing and standard tie fighters. Like come on we all know the Y-wing would have been the proper ship to bomb the Starkiller base. I was hoping to see some tie intercepters at the very least.

I am gong to re watch it and i will finalize my opinion.

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See I don't think it was EXCELLENT but as far as establishing the new series I feel like it did it's job. It PURPOSELY left questions unanswered, man. They can't tell us everything yet. I'm a fucking NAZI when it comes to Star Wars and I feel like Finn, Rey, and Po are a LOT like the original trio. They embody a lot of characteristics of Han, Luke, and Leia.


The prequels are garbo, man. The coolest things about those movies were Darth Maul, Jango Fett, and clone troopers. Hayden Christiansen sucked, the CGI sucked, and the love story sucked. I re-watched them recently so please don't think I'm blowing smoke out my shitthole lol.


I'm gonna look for this now when I see it again. The only argument I can cook up is maybe the film was supposed to give Han Solo a larger part because it was his last film....?


Yes, agree, agree, and agree.


Never really thought about that. In A New Hope there were only TIE Fighters, X-Wings, Y-Wings, and Darth Vader's TIE Fighter, though. We didn't get the A-Wing, B-Wing, TIE Interceptor, or TIE Bomber until later movies.


Me too. I don't think my overall idea will change but I just want to make sense of everything.

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I Just saw it and I loved it. I have many questions but they all will be answered when the 8th comes out. Just wait.

Corbic

I have to strongly disagree with all the Kylo Ren hate.

He was fantastic. We finally get a young, energetic villain. Maul was the biggest let down ever. He never spoke, had zero back story. He gets one cool fight and then is killed despite having the high ground.... Darth Maul is a 5 minute clip in a 7 hour travesty.

Kylo Ren stopping that blaster bolt was nearly as awesome as that entire Darth Maul fight.

Kylo going ape shit on the consoles was amazing. He's a raging storm of emotion. Stars Wars and the Jedis keep telling us that "emotion leads to the dark side", but honestly l, Maul, Vader, Dookie and Palpatine barely showed much emotion. They came off as emotionally detached and calculating. 3 of them where also slow moving old men.

Kylo got beat, but he also first got blasted by a CrossBlaster that had been blowing up storm troopers the entire movie. The guy was gushing blood everywhere and stomped the shit out of Finn.

If have preferred the fight been a draw, the ground splits separating Kylo from Ray and Finn and they escape. If anything, his defeat is MY complaint with the movie for another reason...


Ray, what the fuck? Within what I'm guessing to be a few hours up to a few days... She masters mind control, combat flying, mechanical repair, force pull, and light saber combat?! That's the problem. At the rate we are going she'll be flying and shooting laser beams from her eyes by the end of episode 8.

Luke struggled to pull his lightsaber in ESB and that was years after he started his Jedi training. He could barely float a few Rocks after working with Yoda for a period of time.

Corbic

It was to pander to the fans. I'm fine with just the X-wings. It really was only two squadrons totally maybe 20 aircraft. This wasn't the huge multi-species fleet we saw in ROTJ. You could also argue there where no Y-wings since that is a much older, less desirable frame then the X-wing. They also all got destroyed in A New Hope.

(I wish they had Y-wings and Head Hunters in ROTS to show they are old designs).

The First Order should have had Tie Interceptors. Although they apparently did have a modernized version, the twin seat with gun turret used by Fin as Poe.

Hatemy7

I saw it and I fell asleep. Star wars to me sucks. Its pointless and in my opinion boring as fk.

Corbic

My Gripes.

As mentioned, Ray's ascension to super Jedi in 24hrs bugged me. I get characters being good at something or learning something fast, but she was just over whelming.

Rebel Base. So, up... Was that the entire resistance? A dozen X-wings and an air-hanger?

Also, what does the First Order want? It have liked it to actually have a cause that was drawing people to support it. Finn could have been a volunteer that fell for the dream propaganda and only realized what a nightmare it was. It's great that we continue to labor about Nazis and Nazi imagery, but people wanted to join the Nazi party, that's what makes Nazis scary. It was the almost overnight universal appeal they picked up and seduced most of the world with.


Corbic's retell:

Fin was a gullible volunteer that stayed out of fear and escaped when he finally had a chance.

The "map to Luke" was encrypted data, not a puzzle map. R2 had the encryption password. R2 is resurrected by Ray, not by magic. No one else tried to repair R2 because they where concerned a hard reboot would result in a memory wipe.

DeathStar 3:

Fuck the countdown Episode 1 bullshit.

The Rebels trace the beam line to know its location. Fin says he knows his way around inside. The heatsink had a shield (not the planet).

Plan is Fin and the A-team bring down the shields, but Fin just wants Ray. They get the access card to the shield control room by knocking out Phasma and taking the card, not by forcing her to do it.

The "timing stakes" is not the weapon is charging to blowout the Rebel base (again), but the delayed arrival of the X-wings.

The X-wings arrive and the shields are still up. There are not dozens but HUNDREDS of Tie Fighters. The sky explodes in AA fire and blue-plasma ball flack clouds.

The X-wings take to the woods and cannons to avoid getting shot up since they can't attack the heatsink.

Fin gets the shields down, Han dies, they fight Kylo. X-wings try to take out the heatsink, but fail. To many have been destroyed and Poe orders a retreat. The dual is starting to favor Ray as Kylo's injuries got the best of him but then a horde of Storm Troopers shows up and Ray and Fin have to flee. Chewie saves them.

Movie ends with Ray fixing R2 since she found out its Luke's. She leaves to find answers.

Fin is injured. The Deathstar 3 is damaged enough it can't fire anytime soon but it's still there. Snorkel (lame villain) orders Kilo, Phasma and the General Douche to see him in person - he's mad.


This sets up the opening scene of the next move. Poe is launching another attack and smashes a freighter at hyper speed into the heatsink and destroy the DS3. The suspense is his Xwing is coupled to the frighter and the release mechanism jams. BB8 fixes it the last second, he separates moments before and the freighter takes out the damage heatsink. Planet goes critical and explodes. Luckily, our main villains are not on it. The rest of episode 8 continues as planned.


By getting rid of the "count down" sequence you actually add suspense. The minute I knew they had 15 minutes until Liea and the rebel base are to be blasted I knew the rebels would be successful in the last second and the DS3 would be destroyed.

zeitgeist

What's the point of ray training? She's clearly mastered the force on her own.
She'll be giving luke lessons in no time

And a janitor knows how to conquer a death star or whatever it is. It's that easy, no big deal

babyjesus

Personally, i liked the movie for what it was, a set-up for the next few. With that said, it wasn't Disney's best attempt to hold the mantle. I feel like some things were forced and perhaps not thought out, slapped together.

I can agree with this completely. They didn't make me a believer in Kylo Ren. But I can see why they didn't make him as badass as he could have been, and that's to bring him back for the next film(s).

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Here's a legit theory I read up on:

http://uproxx.com/movies/2015/12/star-wars-kylo-ren-theory/



^^^sadly, however, I don't think that the directors/writers are thinking that deeply. I mean, just look at how cheesy R2's screen time was.

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dsastr_clan

The most emotional part of the movie was when Fin gets friendzoned by Ray at the end when he is unconscious you go out of your way, lie to the galaxy when they are counting on you, risk your life and...... bam!! thank you friend....i know how you feel bruh

Dutchmalmiss

I thought the movie did its job in being an A New Hope 2.0, in which there was character intro and/or re-intro and leave you desiring answers to whatever questions you have by the end of the film.

Only gripe that falls in line with all the Kylo hate is that his identity was revealed too fast/Han Solo was killed too fast. But then again Ford probably just wanted to do one film to begin with considering he was already on the fence about doing just this one alone.

With how Luke looked at the end, is he basically an Obi Wan now in terms of ranking? I don't even know what the ranking is like for a Jedi.

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Corbic

Yeah the reveal could have been a lot more shocking. It could have been set up that everyone thought Kylo Ren killed Han's kid as there was another student named Kylo Ren. Rather, it was Han's kid who put on a mask, went berserk and took Ren's name to cover his shame.

Han could have pulled away while the others tried to flee to confront his sons killer. Ren then takes off his mask and Han is like what? Please come back, I don't care if your evil. Ren falls to the ground crying and you get like a Han Ren hug moment. Han then says something like "everything will be okay" or whatever that triggers Ren to go berserk. And he kills Han while yelling something like "you never listen to me" or some raging Emo son shit. "It's to late for that" or whatever.

TougeSR20Kid

STFU and get outa dodge are you kidding me? Quite possibly the best news I've heard all week. Where are you getting your info from? I know the next one isn't till may of 2017 and there are only two more in the actual series. So what are the other movies gonna be about?

Sorry if already discussed in one of those lengthy responses prior didn't have the time to read em all the way through yet

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Corbic

They already have 5 locked in.

Episode 7 - 2015
Rogue One - 2016
Episode 8 - 2017
"Movie" - 2018
Episode 9 - 2019.

The non-trilogy movies are universe plugs.

Think Marvel MCU - you have the Avenger Trilogy and a bunch of random supporting movies like Ant Man and Captain America.

mau5trap

http://uproxx.com/movies/2015/12/sta...lo-ren-theory/

prepare to be mind fucked

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repost....but i'm glad your mind was fucked too..feels good bro

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1988montecarloss

leave it to Zilvia to argue the fine details of a completely made up galaxy

but anyways, loved the movie, even more than the original 3

SPOILER EDIT: pretty bummed that Han was killed, he had always been my favorite character

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zeitgeist

He's been confirmed for episode 8

future

They say Jar Jar is coming back and he runs the Sith side

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Corbic

Who is they?

It was revealed and confirmed a while ago that Jar Jar was supposed to be the Sith Master mind of the prequels. His clumsy antics where the same as Yoda's from the when he met Luke.

It's argued that Lucus purse out from the overwhelming hate of Jar Jar and instead created Count Dookie for Episode 2.

Corbic

Yup, no where else is anyone arguing about or caring about the technical aspects of the Star Wars universe. It's strictly a Zilvian thing.

ManoNegra

Got around to see it today.
It was fun and entertaining but definitely didn't live up to the hype for me.
As being mentioned before the re-hashed plot felt weak but I can understand how Disney wants to indoctrinate a new young market.
I feel like (and hope) the real payoff will be in the upcoming films.
7/10 for me.

future

The YouTube nerds lol



I've been watching a lot and they make sense

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It's 'Rey' not 'Ray' lol Speaking of which, I like the theory that she is Obi-Wan Kenobi's granddaughter.


Anywho, saw the movie and loved it. All the new characters were great, with the exception of Captain Phasma. However I'm sure she will be utilized more in Episode 8.

I can't wait to see questions answered in Episode 8!

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Yardjass

Too much like a new hope but not as good, and they killed my favorite character, which pisses me off. Mostly it just felt rushed, and like they crammed way too much into one movie without building up to hardly any of it.

Finn and Kylo are basically pussies and they are both supposed to be trained killing machines. Rey is cool I guess but the fact that she caught on to so many force powers so quickly is absurd. BB8 is completely pointless. They didn't do much of a job of developing any of them. They just kind of threw them into the mix and that was that. That badass storm trooper commander being a woman was fucking stupid IMO. Seems like some bullshit PC move that was done just to do it.

I'm just waiting for the next one. Hopefully they take the story a little slower and explain a few more things. It was still an okay movie, it's just something felt hurried up and off about it. As long as they're cranking these movies out, I wouldn't mind seeing a Fett movie though.