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mantas · 04-13-2012, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by kingkilburn

Again with the OSAMA thing?

Any political opinion you have is now void of any validity.

And who are you to make that rule? This will stand true because you said so? That is exactly how liberals function - blame, stomp, and cry until someone gives into the bullshit and makes a law or rule to protect them.

*kingkilburn* · 04-13-2012, 03:54 PM

FUCKINGLAWLZ

Guess what?
This guy over here <<<<<
He's not liberal.

*kingkilburn* · 04-13-2012, 04:00 PM

If any labels fit me I'd say progressive(old school pre neocon takeover) centrist constitutionalists and libertarian. That means conservatives keep heir guns and liberals get their free speech.

**Phlip** · 04-13-2012, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mantas

Whats the big deal? You can't handle a joke about Obama?

You know how 5 years pass and someone is still telling the same stupid joke-but-not-really-a-joke that was never funny to begin with, as if they are revealing some avant garde information that will make them look cool and funny? Yeah, that would be you, and you're reminding me of Carlos Mencia.

mantas · 04-13-2012, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kingkilburn

FUCKINGLAWLZ

Guess what?
This guy over here <<<<<
He's not liberal.

My bad - i didn't pick up on that. lol

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Originally Posted by Phlip

You know how 5 years pass and someone is still telling the same stupid joke-but-not-really-a-joke that was never funny to begin with, as if they are revealing some avant garde information that will make them look cool and funny? Yeah, that would be you, and you're reminding me of Carlos Mencia.

I've been calling him Osama for quite some time. To me he is a Muslim with a Christian cloak on, so I think that name fits him right. Lol.

MadScientist · 04-13-2012, 06:19 PM

Obama for another round... damn it.

The only person worthy of beating him is Ron Paul.
Sad that the Public is crying out for change (Tea Party, etc..) but they still vote for people who are going to tell them what they can/ can't do, Rather than vote for the person who will actually make the changes our government needs.

Less Gov./ More Freedom
Ron Paul for life bitches...

*kingkilburn* · 04-13-2012, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by mantas

My bad - i didn't pick up on that. lol

I've been calling him Osama for quite some time. To me he is a Muslim with a Christian cloak on, so I think that name fits him right. Lol.

Don't falsely assume I'm one of your backwards neocon brethren. Who gives a shit if he's muslim? Don't belly ache about your religious freedoms and them trample on others.

Origin · 04-13-2012, 06:33 PM

This is a message to "king". If this doesn't give you enough reason as to Obama's incompetence (I would use dictator qualities, I'll explain in a minute) then I have no idea what will. I'd like to know your liberal response.
TODAY on the Trail - Biden tweets, reveals water gun shenanigans
Meanwhile North Korea tries to launch a rocket that is obviously a precursor to a nuclear test. I say dictator because while the country is in shambles dictators are living the time of their life. He obviously is not a dictator but he has the qualities for sure.

What a slap in the face to Obummer and Hillary, yet no one reports this in any major news paper. How are you going to justify this?

*kingkilburn* · 04-13-2012, 06:44 PM

He can't isn't and never could be a dictator. I'm not even going to respond on this subject again.

N. Korea has been firing rockets for decades. There is no reason to think they are any closer now than they've ever been to getting nuclear weapons. Until S. Korea calls for war I'm not inclined to do anything about it. I lived in Seoul for a year and lived first hand the real threat of war there. If they aren't worried neither am I.

*kingkilburn* · 04-13-2012, 06:46 PM

And you didn't say jack shit about my rebuttal to your bs. So let it be known you were full of shit from the start. Rather than address that you tried to gain the upper hand by changing the subject.

Origin · 04-13-2012, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kingkilburn

I'm not going to argue with you and your ridiculous ideas on political theory.

What I will do is set you straight on some chain of events.

We have been socialist since the founding of our country. Socialism only became a dirty word when the neocons took hold of the government and likened it to communism ignoring the fact that they themselves were more socialist than the totalitarian military dictatorships they were fighting.

Even though I said I wouldn't do this I'll give you a little, socialism is when we all pay in and we all get benefits. We both use the roads, parks, CLEAN WATER, radio, tv, schools, even the FDA and USDA are great when they actually do their jobs, and we can't forget the social medicine we do provide(VA health system) is some of the best in the world. None of that is robin hoodesque wealth redistribution and ALL of it was created under real bipartisanship.

Back to chain of events again. We were the most prosperous nation the worlds history until when exactly? Oh that's right GEORGE MOTHER FUCKING BUSH. Lets repeal all controls on the most important industries to our currency's security. Lets jump right into two wars with no positive outcome and fire any and all generals that aren't on board. Lets spend like there's no tomorrow, it's not like I'll have to worry about it after my second term. We to go Bush jr. You turned a solid up swing in the economy into bursting bubble that caused a multi industry crash that very nearly destroyed the country and may yet still destroy the currency.

Do you honestly think Obama reached out through time and did that? The worst I can say of Obama is he hasn't done enough. Then again how could he with republicans blocking his every move, even when it's a republican move.

P.S.
Religion in schools was settled before your parents were born. Find your own battles. Don't rely and their rhetoric to define you and what you find important.

Yes you are a liberal by the way. Anyone who supports Obama is a liberal. Socialism is a THEORY just like Communism. It works IN THEORY. Unlike Democrats and Liberals, George Bush and his "comrades" were only-
You know what? All you are doing is acting like a typical liberal, you ignored- actually all you said to my first large post was "I wish I could take you seriously". You have NO ability to argue your points. All you do is turn it around and blame the same shit on a Republican. You are trying to argue lies as truth. I'm arguing Truth as Truth. Only one can come out on top and the Truth always wins, with enough time. Didn't do enough? ENOUGH? He hasn't done ANYTHING. The Republicans stop him because they believe in the traditional beliefs that MADE THE COUNTRY PROSPER. Obama is a fascist. He doesn't care about you. Or me. Or- how do you feel about gas prices exactly? You live in California, it must be 6 bucks down there. You going to find a liberal way to blame some Republican for that although it was Obama to veto the pipeline? He will sign it right before November. A president that has a good record doesn't need to strategically make himself look good. Eric Holder? Have you heard of him? He tells states they can't have voter I.D. laws so the illegals can't vote (which they need to WIN, the election). He TELLS THEM they can't. THAT is communism. The president and his people can not tell states what they can and can not do. What's your liberal response to why all this is happening?

Origin · 04-13-2012, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kingkilburn

He can't isn't and never could be a dictator. I'm not even going to respond on this subject again.

N. Korea has been firing rockets for decades. There is no reason to think they are any closer now than they've ever been to getting nuclear weapons. Until S. Korea calls for war I'm not inclined to do anything about it. I lived in Seoul for a year and lived first hand the real threat of war there. If they aren't worried neither am I.

Liberal, liberal, liberal, liberal RESPONSES. He can't the way it is now. He's obviously trying to gain power. But you being a liberal I can not convince otherwise.

Origin · 04-13-2012, 06:54 PM

President just paid less taxes then his secretary.

mantas · 04-13-2012, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Origin

President just paid less taxes then his secretary.

Hell yeah i forgot to post about that one.
He paid 20.5% to be exact, which is much lower than my rate of 27%.....and i didnt make nearly as much as him. This is all because i dont have kids or a house yet and i donated plenty after tax dollars. Where is this change hope and equality the liberals talk about? Anyone who supports Obama is a typical spineless douche that would have supported Hitler and Stalin because they go with the crowd and support the popular guy. I dont care about what is popular i only care about what is just and right and i dont change my views even if they are unpopular.

atom · 04-13-2012, 08:04 PM

......do you believe Obama is responsible for the tax rate he paid?

And do you people realize that information was released by the white house as a way to garner support for his proposed tax hikes on the rich? LOL @ your outrage.

mantas · 04-13-2012, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by atom

......do you believe Obama is responsible for the tax rate he paid?

And do you people realize that information was released by the white house as a way to garner support for his proposed tax hikes on the rich? LOL @ your outrage.

What? He is the one who proposes the tax hikes yet he did not pay diddly squat in taxes. He is one of the rich that does not contribute. Ron Paul would knock the president's salary to 40k something. Lead by example not by your word.

*kingkilburn* · 04-13-2012, 09:30 PM

You are full of shit and not worth talking to. Have a nice life with your head stuck up the asses of the political demagogs.

EDIT
Viewing the world in a polarizing conservative vs liberal does no one any service.

Walperstyle · 04-13-2012, 09:56 PM

I go away for a month, and Kingkilburn still thinks he knows everything.

You accomplish anything in the time I was gone man?

*kingkilburn* · 04-13-2012, 09:57 PM

You still a racist Canadian douche?

Yeah?

Thought so.

jamg · 04-13-2012, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Origin

President just paid less taxes then his secretary.

warren buffet's secretary also pays more taxes than him. he said himself that they needed to tax him more...

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Originally Posted by mantas

What? He is the one who proposes the tax hikes yet he did not pay diddly squat in taxes. He is one of the rich that does not contribute. Ron Paul would knock the president's salary to 40k something. Lead by example not by your word.

this isn't obama's 'fault'.
it's not the fact that he's paying very little taxes, its the tax code that allows it. he probably has hired VERY aggressive tax accountants who looked into every loop hole to save him a buck...

My close friend nets $500k a year. that's NET- after taxes and expenses. he only had to pay around ~$30k in taxes.

his accountant was a previous IRS employee turned CPA for businesses. he obviously knows what he's doing, and is able to save my friend money. lots of money.

all these tax cuts and credits has allowed businesses to cheat the government out. can you guess where they make it up from????- the middle class and the poor. they are the ones to suffer.

*kingkilburn* · 04-13-2012, 10:15 PM

They aren't cheating the government, the government made the tax laws. They are all cheating the people. The people foot the bill for both.

mantas · 04-13-2012, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jamg

warren buffet's secretary also pays more taxes than him. he said himself that they needed to tax him more...

this isn't obama's 'fault'.
it's not the fact that he's paying very little taxes, its the tax code that allows it. he probably has hired VERY aggressive tax accountants who looked into every loop hole to save him a buck...

My close friend nets $500k a year. that's NET- after taxes and expenses. he only had to pay around ~$30k in taxes.

his accountant was a previous IRS employee turned CPA for businesses. he obviously knows what he's doing, and is able to save my friend money. lots of money.

all these tax cuts and credits has allowed businesses to cheat the government out. can you guess where they make it up from????- the middle class and the poor. they are the ones to suffer.

If you are an employee there is very little you can do to save yourself from paying taxes. It is much different when you are self employed or if you own a business.

jamg · 04-13-2012, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kingkilburn

They aren't cheating the government, the government made the tax laws. They are all cheating the people. The people foot the bill for both.

when i say cheat, i mean in the sense of writing tax code that passes into law that benefit a small percentage of people who are making over a certain amount of money.

GE had billions in tax credits and paid nothing.

TougeSR20Kid · 04-13-2012, 11:46 PM

Oh man I leave this thread for a day and this is what happens... Geez I was just askin about the elections guys lol oh well, lots of entertaining stuff. You guys definitely do get heated

but it's a political convo on zilvia so I wouldn't expect anything else lol...

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Originally Posted by kingkilburn

We have been socialist since the founding of our country.

I'm not trying to flame but really? Where are u getting this from? Were we a socialist country during the colonial era? industrial era? Post industrial imperialist era? Like I'm confused how you can say this when much of our history shows the opposite. Again man I'm not attacking you I just would really like to know how you can make such a bold statement when there's a lot of evidence supporting the contrary.

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Originally Posted by MadScientist

Obama for another round... damn it.

The only person worthy of beating him is Ron Paul.
Sad that the Public is crying out for change (Tea Party, etc..) but they still vote for people who are going to tell them what they can/ can't do, Rather than vote for the person who will actually make the changes our government needs.

Less Gov./ More Freedom
Ron Paul for life bitches...

Fuckin A!!! Although at this point I feel like anyone is better than Obama, I agree that RP is the only person we should consider. We need to break down this recurrent system of only having the idiot the Repubs chose and the idiot that Dems chose. I think south park put it best with the "giant douche and a turd sandwich"... We need a three party system, or at least not give so much power to the two major political parties. Show em that if they keep choosing shitty candidates we'll start shopping elsewhere

*kingkilburn* · 04-14-2012, 12:23 AM

The government providing services to you is socialism. Roads, schools, water treatment, mail, dams, medicare, social security, national parks/forests/monuments, arts and sciences grants, etc. Clearly there are varying degrees of socialism from bare bones all the way to communism. As such stating that socialism is inherently bad is just wrong.

*kingkilburn* · 04-14-2012, 12:25 AM

This could turn into a hole private vs public debate but for most of the things the government does when fully funded(instead of gutted for more military and other such crap) do just fine.

*kingkilburn* · 04-14-2012, 12:29 AM

I would disagree with a needing a three party system. We need an open system. All comers run in a primary. The top 5 or so run in the main election. Fuck the electoral college. One voter, one vote.

jamg · 04-14-2012, 01:09 AM

Mitt will most likely win, but obama would beat him in every debate.

the way that man speaks to answer questions is quite impressive.

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Originally Posted by mantas

If you are an employee there is very little you can do to save yourself from paying taxes. It is much different when you are self employed or if you own a business.

i already know this.....

me being an employee will not change the fact that the tax code is complete shit, and still benefits the 1% of corporations, investment banks, and big companies in this country.

*kingkilburn* · 04-14-2012, 02:55 AM

I think RP would murder them both in open debates but that requires OPEN debates. He would show that in actuality Obama and Romney are on the same side of issues they shouldn't be.

mantas · 04-14-2012, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mantas

1% that pay the most taxes in this nation? The 1% you speak of contribute to about 40% of all tax revenue. I dont feel like looking up this info again but ill do it if i have to.

Ok i looked it up. Old chart but new figures are about the same.

04-13-2012, 03:54 PM	#62
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,041 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	FUCKINGLAWLZ Guess what? This guy over here <<<<< He's not liberal. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

04-13-2012, 04:00 PM	#63
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,041 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	If any labels fit me I'd say progressive(old school pre neocon takeover) centrist constitutionalists and libertarian. That means conservatives keep heir guns and liberals get their free speech. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

04-13-2012, 06:44 PM	#69
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,041 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	He can't isn't and never could be a dictator. I'm not even going to respond on this subject again. N. Korea has been firing rockets for decades. There is no reason to think they are any closer now than they've ever been to getting nuclear weapons. Until S. Korea calls for war I'm not inclined to do anything about it. I lived in Seoul for a year and lived first hand the real threat of war there. If they aren't worried neither am I. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

04-13-2012, 06:46 PM	#70
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,041 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	And you didn't say jack shit about my rebuttal to your bs. So let it be known you were full of shit from the start. Rather than address that you tried to gain the upper hand by changing the subject. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

04-13-2012, 09:30 PM	#77
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,041 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You are full of shit and not worth talking to. Have a nice life with your head stuck up the asses of the political demagogs. EDIT Viewing the world in a polarizing conservative vs liberal does no one any service. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

04-13-2012, 06:19 PM	#66
MadScientist Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NOLA Age: 44 Posts: 1,964 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Obama for another round... damn it. The only person worthy of beating him is Ron Paul. Sad that the Public is crying out for change (Tea Party, etc..) but they still vote for people who are going to tell them what they can/ can't do, Rather than vote for the person who will actually make the changes our government needs. Less Gov./ More Freedom Ron Paul for life bitches...

04-13-2012, 06:33 PM	#68
Origin Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Earth Posts: 253 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	This is a message to "king". If this doesn't give you enough reason as to Obama's incompetence (I would use dictator qualities, I'll explain in a minute) then I have no idea what will. I'd like to know your liberal response. TODAY on the Trail - Biden tweets, reveals water gun shenanigans Meanwhile North Korea tries to launch a rocket that is obviously a precursor to a nuclear test. I say dictator because while the country is in shambles dictators are living the time of their life. He obviously is not a dictator but he has the qualities for sure. What a slap in the face to Obummer and Hillary, yet no one reports this in any major news paper. How are you going to justify this?

04-13-2012, 06:54 PM	#73
Origin Zilvia Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Earth Posts: 253 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	President just paid less taxes then his secretary.

04-13-2012, 08:04 PM	#75
atom Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: San Francisco Posts: 1,196 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	......do you believe Obama is responsible for the tax rate he paid? And do you people realize that information was released by the white house as a way to garner support for his proposed tax hikes on the rich? LOL @ your outrage.

04-13-2012, 09:56 PM	#78
Walperstyle Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Alberta, Red Derp Age: 40 Posts: 1,729 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I go away for a month, and Kingkilburn still thinks he knows everything. You accomplish anything in the time I was gone man? __________________ KA-T ORG-Function over Flush

04-13-2012, 09:57 PM	#79
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,041 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You still a racist Canadian douche? Yeah? Thought so. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

04-13-2012, 10:15 PM	#81
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,041 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	They aren't cheating the government, the government made the tax laws. They are all cheating the people. The people foot the bill for both. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

04-14-2012, 12:23 AM	#85
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,041 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The government providing services to you is socialism. Roads, schools, water treatment, mail, dams, medicare, social security, national parks/forests/monuments, arts and sciences grants, etc. Clearly there are varying degrees of socialism from bare bones all the way to communism. As such stating that socialism is inherently bad is just wrong. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

04-14-2012, 12:25 AM	#86
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,041 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	This could turn into a hole private vs public debate but for most of the things the government does when fully funded(instead of gutted for more military and other such crap) do just fine. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

04-14-2012, 12:29 AM	#87
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,041 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I would disagree with a needing a three party system. We need an open system. All comers run in a primary. The top 5 or so run in the main election. Fuck the electoral college. One voter, one vote. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

04-14-2012, 02:55 AM	#89
kingkilburn Philosopher King Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: FresYes Posts: 3,041 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I think RP would murder them both in open debates but that requires OPEN debates. He would show that in actuality Obama and Romney are on the same side of issues they shouldn't be. __________________ G O L D E N B E A R R E P U B L I C

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