keidu

This new 240 better be on a diet

dorkidori_s13

there are plenty of 240sx owners (both past and current) that are now old enough and make the bank roll to easily to afford a sub 25k car. those of us who have spent over the last decade building them and enjoying them are the ones who would be buying the brand new S chassis IF it ever bows. Nissan is losing its market share to the likes of Toyota, Scion, Subaru and Hyundai. At the moment, should Nissan NOT have a new S Chassis out within the next 2 years, I see the Hyundai Genesis 2.0t R-Spec as my next car purchase.

and your last sentence is completely wrong. Nissan stopped selling the S Chassis in this country due to a few reasons. 1) the s15 would take too much work and money to function with the KA24de engine setup. 2) the rising yen to dollar ratio is why ALL JDM car makers pulled out their major sportscars in 95-98 era that were JDM produced. 3) Nissan was on the verge of bankruptcy and really couldnt afford to make any more mistakes. 1999 was when Renault purchase 40% of Nissan and Carlos Ghosn started taking over. Nissan was in BIG trouble worldwide and plans to wind down its overwhelming and underselling product line began (this INCLUDED Japan). Nissan couldnt afford to convert the S15 to work in the US market (if you understand the mechanics of the car, youll understand why im saying this)

so contrary to your statement, the S Chassis was nixed completely from the US lineup, just like the 300zx, due to budget and world wide currency exchange rates.

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ixfxi

the other thing people fail to understand is, that cars like the 240sx are not a cash cow for car manufacturers. baby / people movers, like the <altima> <maxima> <camry> <corolla> <prius> - thats how they cash in, not sports cars.... unless we're talking something that sold by the boatload, like the miata... that was a cheap and good attempt.

we'll see what will happen with the frz/brz... i like the cars, but i totally think they're cashing in on the "ae86" thing. its just a light-weight sports-car, thats it. but gaddamn, that engine bay looks too crammed.

Bushido

went by the scion dealership, the sleezeball salesman told me they are getting 36,000 all day for them.

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dragonbreath

Gotta be bs. 36000 can get you a much better car than the FRS.

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raz0rbladez909

I would call scion on that one and report the dealership so quick, they're fining the shit out of any dealer who is trying to add a markup on them. The only work around is if they add a shitload of accessories. But that'd have to be over 11,000 in accessories for that price!

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fliprayzin240sx

Its actually not that cramped. Without the turbo setup on it, it reminded me alot of a damn RX-8 engine bay. There's more emissions stuff hanging around than engine itself.

As far as Nissan pulling the S15 off the US market. Would you really wanna import it when less than 6000 were sold in the last 2 yrs (2100 in 98). It wouldnt be that hard to slap another KA into the chassis since the S15 and S14 were pretty identical in alot of aspects.

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DJ-of-E

That and Nissan didnt want to spent major R&D to develop a turbo engine for s15 to pass for U.S. and some European countries during that time period. In the U.S., the market was either Hondas or Mustangs. Even then, the volume of sales declined after 2000. Nissan had a good call with the 350z, but a normal mass buyer treats their car like a appliance than experiencing "driving." Hell ask some people how they described as regular maintenance and they say washing the car is top of their list noy even mentioned changing the oil.

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bluezenkis14

I just recently picked up a 370 and absolutely love pretty much everything about it I think they should just revive the s chassis and continue with the v6 in the z leave the turbo to the s chassis and leave the z alone.... I for one am so glad I got rid of my Sr and went with the vq way more reliable and no turbo problems

ixfxi

you know


this fucking thread could have been closed a LONG time ago.


ATTENTION NISSAN

car owners in the USA want one thing:


Seriously.

How fucking stupid are the people working at NISSAN?

You guys made something great and never offered it here in the States. Examples:
- Skyline GT-R
- S15 Silvia

Now the Skyline (dropped) ahem GTR is selling very well, congratulations. Ever thought about us normal human beings who dont spend upwards of 100k on a car? Those of us who have NO fucking interest in dual clutch automatics. Those of us who enjoy tuning and building our cars, you know.. the ones that bother your parts department almost weekly for parts to fix our pieces of shit? Thats us, thats the 99%-ers.

So, do us all a fucking favor. Give us an updated version of the 180SX and/or Silvia, NA and Turbo option... just like in Japan. I dont see how hard this is, its not like you didnt do it before. Oh yeah, you guys almost went bankrupt back then. Well, learn from your mistakes and move on.

bluezenkis14

You see the one thing you don't know is that nissan wanted to bring those cars into the states but the one and only thing holding it back was the American organization that dealt with imported cars at the time. They said that they didn't want them here because they would "out perform the
American cars for the price" or something along those those lines.
So before you go and blame Nissan for something stupid like that think twice and think of how fucked up and arrogant this country is especially with imported cars

dorkidori_s13

wrong

the GTR never came here because of problems with the LHD steering rack + twin turbo setup. there were plans to release the R32 GTR here, but when nissan started running into some major issues with the turbos hitting the steering rack during hard cornering, they scrapped the idea as they didnt want to convert the car to single turbo.

the S chassis never got the CA18det/SR20det not because of emissions, but because of performance issues against the Z. the Z was always the top tier sports car in this country and nissan didnt want the S chassis beating the crap out of the in a performance and pricing standpoint, so we got stuck with the KA series engines. The GTR was the balance of the 3 sports cars, and since we were lacking it, the S chassis got the performance hit we all had to suffer thru with.

both pieces of information above came directly from a higher up i knew at nissan for a few years. he worked for them for over 30 years and was on the product committee that planned out bringing the S13 here as well as the possible GTR importation.

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bluezenkis14

Wrong? Go look it up for yourself

dorkidori_s13

yes, wrong. im not going to argue with you kid. my information came straight from the sources mouth (a director level executive at nissan of north america), not from some random source on the internet. therefore i dont really need to look anything else up on the subject when i have the detailed and exact answer already in hand.

keep in mind that some of us on zilvia have been around for a very long time and have made it a point to push for and source information from people who were actually involved with the S chassis.

and ps, japanese car performance vs american car performance had NOTHING to do with what was sold here. in the late 80s and all thru the 90s, it was VERY common for JDM/EDM cars to beat up on the american competition. hell the 240z romped the corvette all day long when it was relased, did the federal government stop allowing it to be imported? NOPE!

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ghoti

IIRC we got the CA18det on the S12 in the US....

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Hoffman5982

Dude, shut the fuck up. Why don't you provide sources to back up your idiotic claims? That's right, it's because they don't exist.


Close. The s12 got CA18ET

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ixfxi

WRONG


RIGHT

in addition, I own a NISSAN Z book which goes through the lineage from 240Z to 350Z and the trials and tribulations involved. dorkidori is absolutely right, it was a matter of eliminating cars that would take away from the Z, both turbo and non-turbo... and convertible. A faster S-chassis would have pulled sales, and a GTR (among other reasons previously stated) would also pull sales.

they did the right thing by releasing the R35 as a much more expensive car than the Z32-TT... (comparing apples with oranges though), but price-wise there is no competition between the former and current... even performance-wise. they're just different in every way.

so thats the reason why no turbo and no S15. though today, I think it would be entirely possible... but, I highly doubt it. Not because they cant, but if you ask me... someone who works daily on cars, I dont think the cost-cutting Ghosn business model of sharing practically EVERY part will allow them to sell a 2L turbo light-weight sportscar. Back then, there were a lot of little changes between all of the cars. Sure they shared parts, but there were A LOT of different part numbers. Anyone who works at a nissan parts department can verify how many different PNs exist between ALMOST the same parts amongst the various different vehicles.

anyway... that was then, that was why there were financial difficulties. imo, those days are gone.

HyperTek

hope they cater it towards drifting, come with welded lsd, 300hp and under 20k.


lmao

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xilovelsdx

lol welded lsd? wtf??

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Bambi

It's some future car shit, bro. You wouldn't understand.

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slydin240sx

Because racecar bro.

ghoti

enphasis on the LMAO

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ilovecars97

uhhhhh, who cares? speculation is boring, what a lame thread. Post stuff when real prototypes come out.

Thought I was going to see real stuff here, just trial and tribulation. Nothing to see here folks waste of time to read thru it.

ixfxi

hey 1 post


shut the fuck up.

S14Serge

^^^^^LMFAO!!! But on a serious note, hey one post shut the fuck up for real!

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Mycah Leonhart

This is my first post in a long, long time lol - About 4 years.

The #1 thing that kept the S15 from coming here were S14 Sales that car only sold well in Japan, Oz and NZ.

S14 sales in the US make the 370Z US sales look good - Point blank. I know some of you guys may be too young to remember this but the S13 was marketed as an "Entry Level Sports Car" in the US but then the S14 was trying to be marketed as an "Entry Level Luxury Coupe" - A poor man's SC300/400 if you will. And we all see just how well THAT plan worked.

The 2015 Z (Z35) will be playing double duty as both an S and a Z. It'll have "S" size, and amenities but will have "Z" Power. Looks wise Nissan is finally going "Modern Retro" with the Z ala the Muscle Car Gang. It will be the rebirth of the Datsun 240Z. It's going to be an Esflow with a 240Z face.





Glad I could clear that up a bit for you guys.

Bambi

Zero Emission? Just burn it now.

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If you squint your eyes, it's a shoe.

jesse_s13

Needs more trunk

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drift freaq

Excuse me, what you have posted above is nothing more than a concept car. Until something is actually dropped, you are speculating. Just like everyone else including Jay Leno, who even emphasized he was speculating. Plus you don't know anything about this double duty bullshit, that is strictly your idea only.
On top of that the S15 was not brought here because like others have already posted in this thread Nissan was in a state of near bankruptcy. It was costing them to much to manufacture the S15 period for what it was selling for even in Japan and the UK and Australia and NZ.
They could never have afforded to bring it to the U.S. The whole S chassis factory line was an old out of date production line. It was the same factory that the Skylines were coming out of . Nissan closed that factory under Ghosn and sold off the equipment in 2001. The new Skylines were reintroduced in 2003 and came of the same assembly line as the 350Z.
Only the GTR has a specialized production line separate at this time. All Infiniti G series/Skylines in Japan and Z's roll off the same assembly line now.

Now that you are set straight on that.

It is actually time for a chassis change on the Z. By 2014 model year, which actually drops in August 2013 Nissan will have been making the Z34 for 5 years. Given the sales numbers of the 370's compared to the 350's they will push to do something. That is a given and given that it is Nissan's 80th Anniversary there is a push to do something special and a Retro styled Z honoring the 240Z would be a big plus.
So yes there is something going but beyond what Jay Leno showed and the concept car above you have absolutely no concrete idea.

Please don't come here coming off as authority on it because you know nothing more and it seems actually less than the the rest of us. lol

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