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Old 01-02-2010, 08:09 PM   #91
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My best friend is white....
Its really not


Just because you havent seen one doesnt mean there isnt one
When did I just specifically state the KKK? I asked for one example of a group that was meant for whites only that hasn't turned to racist polices. Have you given me one? NO. Until you do stfu
Blacks and Latinos need there own channels because they deal with different issues than whites. I know its soooooo difficult for you and so many others to understand that. Yes we are all humans but treatment is still often different and there are still tons of issues that need to be brought out and definitely would not be if these channels did not exist. So there is your freaking reason. Leave the batcave and go see firsthand.
And Im in a freakin 3rd world country right now and can actually see how much groups like the NAACP hav advanced American society/race relations by a ton. You see in other countries where there aren't laws to protect against racism, dark skinned people are basically FUCKED. maybe you should fucking go somewhere before you start giving me all this kumbaya bullshit



Yet im still waiting on a name of a solely all white group meant for peace....
I analyzed my statement and no you are still wrong
Im not saying all white groups will become racist because in the future yeah i guess somebody could create one good for the community of all.
Im not meaning to generalize a whole race either. And Im not fucking racist, Im just pointing out history
Your BFF’s race is irrelevant; you don’t necessarily have to hate black folks to party with the KKK.

Good or bad, the problem is you’re separating the behavior of the human species by race. By no means, does race have anything to do with human behavior.

History will tell us how violent humankind has been no matter what race.

Your statement is still fairly racist whether you admit it or not.
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Please don't tell me about your "many black friends," I been hearing that my whole life, it gets old.
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Actually. I don't have any black friends any more. All the ones I had got out of college and then just flopped. Couldn't hold a job. Then started getting on this world is against them thing. This coupled with their lust for credit and blowing money on stupid stuff. $300 bar tabs on a 29% credit card sent them to the bottom. The only 3 black people I was ever really friends with were people we hired. They'd work hard for a while then get lazy.

One was fired because he wrote a bad check.. drove to GA and got pulled over and locked up for outstanding warrant. Had his car impounded. It was near christmas and he claimed he didn't have any family so I posted his bail. Gave him an advance enough to clean up his mess and get his car out of impound. He took the money, bought his girl friend a nice date and showed up drunk and on a bicycle monday. Fired. Wouldn't pay back the money because "He deserved it anyway for everything he did around there". Everything what I don't know? To this day 5 years later he rides that same bicycle in to say hi about every 4 months. Asks for his job back and then tries to pick up some cash by like cutting grass or something like that. Never recovered.

Second worked for about 2 years. Got $400 a week for doing good work. Then Just started complaining that he was "the black guy who was doing all the work". It wasn't fair us white guys were dumping it on him. He was doing the same job he was since day one. Nothing less nothing more. He was the last to get there and the first to leave. I mean at 4:55 his tools were packed, he was washed up, ready to go. When I explained this to him, He got an attitude, claimed "I wasn't doing him right". 2 weeks later he just started loading his tools up at lunch and left after he got his paycheck. Didn't even finish his work or the day he was payed for. Wouldn't even talk to any of the guys. Just kept muttering "It's not fair". Like a 5 year old except he was 55.

Third was a parts runner. Like a gopher. We noticed some of our runs that used to take 45 minutes or so now took 2 hours. So one day while getting lunch we saw our truck parked in the mall parking lot. So I drove over there and the reason they were taking so long is because he was taking 1 hour or so naps in the parking lot on the clock. Seriously. Then said "I was being hard on him and lighten up boss man". He gets pulled over and gives the cops a fake license. His had been suspended for 2 DUI's in 24 months. After about $600 we got our truck out of impound.

So I'll admit I've got limited experience with blacks. Most of it is negative. But it seems everytime it was the "white guy" bringing him down that got him canned but they just refused to work. Everytime I replaced a black guy with a white guy, productivity improved and we got more done with less resistance. This is just personal experience. Then I get kids that come in that know nothing about machine work looking like they hopped out of a rap video asking if they can get a job; then wanting me to sign some paper saying they applied. It's like they're hopeless. They don't know how to work let alone could work a day. They're not reliable, they can't speak good enough english to understand, and they want something for nothing. Maybe I'm out of touch with mainstream culture but you gotta work to get paid. Screwing off on the job gets you nowhere. I definitely think the world isn't out to get black people either. Now we contract with black companies and some of those dudes work work. Like bust their ass hustle 10 hours a day for a 250/week cash paycheck. But they all have a black boss. Is it a white guy boss thing? I mean is it like a chris rock black guys vs niggers argument thing like posted. It's really kinda this enigma that I've never figured out.
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I used to do loss prevention for Rite Aid, 90% of the people me and my partner would catch were black. I had to quit that job because I was really starting to think they were all like that, and I didn't want to think that way. I guess it's all relative to location, and even then you get a few that are completely different then the rest.
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Actually. I don't have any black friends any more. All the ones I had got out of college and then just flopped. Couldn't hold a job. Then started getting on this world is against them thing. This coupled with their lust for credit and blowing money on stupid stuff. $300 bar tabs on a 29% credit card sent them to the bottom. The only 3 black people I was ever really friends with were people we hired. They'd work hard for a while then get lazy.

One was fired because he wrote a bad check.. drove to GA and got pulled over and locked up for outstanding warrant. Had his car impounded. It was near christmas and he claimed he didn't have any family so I posted his bail. Gave him an advance enough to clean up his mess and get his car out of impound. He took the money, bought his girl friend a nice date and showed up drunk and on a bicycle monday. Fired. Wouldn't pay back the money because "He deserved it anyway for everything he did around there". Everything what I don't know? To this day 5 years later he rides that same bicycle in to say hi about every 4 months. Asks for his job back and then tries to pick up some cash by like cutting grass or something like that. Never recovered.

Second worked for about 2 years. Got $400 a week for doing good work. Then Just started complaining that he was "the black guy who was doing all the work". It wasn't fair us white guys were dumping it on him. He was doing the same job he was since day one. Nothing less nothing more. He was the last to get there and the first to leave. I mean at 4:55 his tools were packed, he was washed up, ready to go. When I explained this to him, He got an attitude, claimed "I wasn't doing him right". 2 weeks later he just started loading his tools up at lunch and left after he got his paycheck. Didn't even finish his work or the day he was payed for. Wouldn't even talk to any of the guys. Just kept muttering "It's not fair". Like a 5 year old except he was 55.

Third was a parts runner. Like a gopher. We noticed some of our runs that used to take 45 minutes or so now took 2 hours. So one day while getting lunch we saw our truck parked in the mall parking lot. So I drove over there and the reason they were taking so long is because he was taking 1 hour or so naps in the parking lot on the clock. Seriously. Then said "I was being hard on him and lighten up boss man". He gets pulled over and gives the cops a fake license. His had been suspended for 2 DUI's in 24 months. After about $600 we got our truck out of impound.

So I'll admit I've got limited experience with blacks. Most of it is negative. But it seems everytime it was the "white guy" bringing him down that got him canned but they just refused to work. Everytime I replaced a black guy with a white guy, productivity improved and we got more done with less resistance. This is just personal experience. Then I get kids that come in that know nothing about machine work looking like they hopped out of a rap video asking if they can get a job; then wanting me to sign some paper saying they applied. It's like they're hopeless. They don't know how to work let alone could work a day. They're not reliable, they can't speak good enough english to understand, and they want something for nothing. Maybe I'm out of touch with mainstream culture but you gotta work to get paid. Screwing off on the job gets you nowhere. I definitely think the world isn't out to get black people either. Now we contract with black companies and some of those dudes work work. Like bust their ass hustle 10 hours a day for a 250/week cash paycheck. But they all have a black boss. Is it a white guy boss thing? I mean is it like a chris rock black guys vs niggers argument thing like posted. It's really kinda this enigma that I've never figured out.
Just curious, but im intrigued to know further about the individuals you've worked with.
What do you think there education level was,
upbringing, social class.
subcultures, perhaps.
any other factor you can think of (Philip mentioned "Ghetto Culture", if that's relevant).

When you say 'black',
are you referring to African American,
or other African groups (whether it be from Africa, South America, Europe, etc).

I'm highly reluctant to even acknowlege race as a basis for generalization.
There's just such a wide spectrum (and overlap) within/among races that, imo, it's a completely meaningless means of forming generalizations.
Likewise, I abhorr terms like White or Asian.
There's so much cultural differences.
It's just way too broad a criterion to make anything remotely meaningful out of it.

ideally, we ought to treat every individual on their own merit.
realistically, we often fall short and come up with generalizations, to some degree or another about everything.
I think it's just human nature to automatically form generalizations in order to make better sense of the world.
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I don't actually think it would be that big of a deal if somebody actually made a "WET" or whatever. Sure a few idiots would say something, but it would die down pretty quickly.

I bet 90% of the people that would be offended by WET would be white people anyways.
Quit whining about some hypothetical "double standard." You are only perpetuating it by acknowledging it.
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Your BFF’s race is irrelevant; you don’t necessarily have to hate black folks to party with the KKK.
Its perfectly relevant. I was told i dont hang out much with many whites. Obviously I do
You necessarily dont have to, but is there anyone who is apart of the group that doesn't? Hell no

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Im not separating behaviors of races. Ill be the first to tell you that some of the most violent people Ive ever met are dark skinned.
No race does not determine behavior but it is definitely a factor many times.

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whatever. i really dont care if it is. Im just telling what has been personally seen from the perspective from someone who isnt white
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lol owned yea right. Its the fucking internet brah. Seriously why are you worrying about internet writing when the topic is actually about something important? Youve contributed nothing, you are just a troll now. Go back to your hole
Contributed nothing except starting a thread for you to write nothing but bullshit in.

LOL A troll? That comment explains why you're so uneducated.. You're still in the 5th grade apparently.


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whatever. i really dont care if it is. Im just telling what has been personally seen from the perspective from someone who isnt white
You don't care if your statement was racist?!

Looks like White Entertainment Television has gotten to you.

Like I said from the beginning, it's only going to bother the ignorant people.
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I'm leaving this here because BET made it and it created a bit of an uproar amongst minorities. My question is why? If it doesn't apply to you (as in you partake in any of the b/s stated in the video like not raising your kids or blowing all your money on rims etc) then why is it offensive?

YouTube - Read a Book

I think read a book, raise your kids, brush your teeth etc applies to ALL MOTHERFUCKERS.

Let's face it, regardless of race, if you dont brush your teeth, your breath stinks, et cetera.

I dunno. Feel free to respond.

Ps. Yes I realize that all the characters in it are black, but still, it could apply for any race regardless of the stereotypes implied.
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ut some hypothetical "double standard." You are only perpetuating it by acknowledging it.
Are you fucking high? If you dont acknowledge something, then it just snowballs into something huge and out of control. ie: "ghetto" culture.

Most people in the U.S. are on this whole "lets accept other people even though they are different" politically correct bullshit and no one has the balls to say something.

Stereotypes wouldn't be stereotypes if they weren't partially true. That's a fact. You don't just make up shit and expect it to stick. Are there negative stereotypes for every race? YES, there are. But think about which ones really piss you off. I know the "stereotypical" people I dont want to be around.

I am not a blatant racist. I like every race, because the color of your skin doesn't make who you are unless you let it. What I don't like, are the people who fit right into the negative stereotypes that are associated with every one of those races.


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I'm leaving this here because BET made it and it created a bit of an uproar amongst minorities. My question is why? If it doesn't apply to you (as in you partake in any of the b/s stated in the video like not raising your kids or blowing all your money on rims etc) then why is it offensive?

YouTube - Read a Book

I think read a book, raise your kids, brush your teeth etc applies to ALL MOTHERFUCKERS.

Let's face it, regardless of race, if you dont brush your teeth, your breath stinks, et cetera.

I dunno. Feel free to respond.

Ps. Yes I realize that all the characters in it are black, but still, it could apply for any race regardless of the stereotypes implied.
That song was meant to be a joke. The guy was mimicking lil john. Some people got it, some people didn't. I'm not going to say the original purpose was to be a message in there, but whether he did or not, he pissed off people who didn't get the joke, because the song puts their ignorance out on display. Which I will explain in a minute.

Other people who didn't get the joke were mad because if the song were real it would send all kinds of bad messages out. To name one, I will quote some lyrics from the song.

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While this statement is valid, it is presented in an ignorant format, which implies that the intended recipients of this message is ignorant, which is what I meant by putting it on display. As for the people are are't ignorant, well no one wants to be called so.
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Contributed nothing except starting a thread for you to write nothing but bullshit in.

LOL A troll? That comment explains why you're so uneducated.. You're still in the 5th grade apparently.


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Looks like White Entertainment Television has gotten to you.
No it really doesnt. I could honestly care less is there was a WET. Hell there are many channels that a focused pretty much only to whites. I dont care. i know its a business and there are trying to target a certain demographic.

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So since BET bothers you what does that make you? seriously quit typing unless you come to me with some good answers about something real and not what you heard somebody say or see
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i know its a business and there are trying to target a certain demographic.
With that you've ended the original topic of this post.

Nothing on TV would be there without money. This money comes from one of two places: advertisers or the public.

Who will advertise with such a culturally controversial channel? Certainly not a big corporation. There goodwill will be forever damaged.

Therefore no money, no business.

#2: The demographic

The demo would be Caucasian/Anglo-Saxon/White/Anglo-American

W.E.T. would have to figure out how to specifically get these people to watch it's programming. They would recognize the market is saturated and figure they need to offer something innovative, something not offered yet to this demo.

There minds would boil "Hmm, what can we do?!"
Frantically they would brainstorm, nights days months they would go on trying to find some thing, some idea, anything to offer.

They would come up with nothing. They would recognize they are trying to server a demo that is already overserved. Pouring water into a cup that is already full is pointless.
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I fucking hate all three. All bet does is make people who
aren't black think we are all ignorant, rude, loud etc. and it makes people who are black mimic what they see on this.
Pretty much sums up BET for me. Every time I see an ignorant black person on the TV acting like a thug, I cringe. It only solidifies the negative stereotype .
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Pretty much sums up BET for me. Every time I see an ignorant black person on the TV acting like a thug, I cringe. It only solidifies the negative stereotype .
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'BET' Gets Thumbs Down Award From Journalists : NPR

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And until there are more channels, BET remains the one channel that gets most of the attention. History is likely to view it as a major black American cultural influence. It boosted rap music and hip-hop, for better or worse. That marriage of money and music proved that a black-owned business could make billions. But to cultural critics and to young people seeking images of themselves, the money has come at the expense of a distorted view of what it is to be black today.
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No it really doesnt. I could honestly care less is there was a WET. Hell there are many channels that a focused pretty much only to whites. I dont care. i know its a business and there are trying to target a certain demographic.


So since BET bothers you what does that make you? seriously quit typing unless you come to me with some good answers about something real and not what you heard somebody say or see
You really need to just stop responding.

I'm cutting you out. Come back when you complete high school.

BET already exists, and there's nothing ignorant about not liking it. Not liking BET is like not liking MTV. But not liking White Entertainment Television? It doesn't even exist yet. The only logical reason for someone to not like it is because it's a white only channel. And that, dumb shit, is IGNORANT. Like you.
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With that you've ended the original topic of this post.

Nothing on TV would be there without money. This money comes from one of two places: advertisers or the public.

Who will advertise with such a culturally controversial channel? Certainly not a big corporation. There goodwill will be forever damaged.

Therefore no money, no business.

#2: The demographic

The demo would be Caucasian/Anglo-Saxon/White/Anglo-American

W.E.T. would have to figure out how to specifically get these people to watch it's programming. They would recognize the market is saturated and figure they need to offer something innovative, something not offered yet to this demo.

There minds would boil "Hmm, what can we do?!"
Frantically they would brainstorm, nights days months they would go on trying to find some thing, some idea, anything to offer.

They would come up with nothing. They would recognize they are trying to server a demo that is already overserved. Pouring water into a cup that is already full is pointless.
What makes WET controversial, and BET not? Blacks fought for equality, correct? Then they should understand the fairness for white people to get a WET. After all, there are a large majority of whites fighting for this country.

20 percent of the military's recruits are black, less than 10 percent of them want infantry jobs, the greater of that 10 percent choose careers that have civilian transferability, yet they get a Black Entertainment Channel? Controversial?
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