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irax · 11-15-2007, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Yea, but the New GTR started creating a buzz in 02....Yea, that long ago. This Hyundai...6-8 months.

yeah the GT-R was supposed to come out in 07 and what they had was no where near close to the production model. The Tiburon has been in the buz for yeah about a year, with a release date the year after next! with no real current gen tib to base it on, but by the looks of it, it is already close to production.

slidingsky · 11-15-2007, 09:31 AM

If they are smart they will follow what Mitsu does with the EVO and make a base/performance model like the MR

Edit: Wait are Hyundai and Mitsu still colaborating?

*exitspeed* · 11-15-2007, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irax

yeah the GT-R was supposed to come out in 07 and what they had was no where near close to the production model. The Tiburon has been in the buz for yeah about a year, with a release date the year after next! with no real current gen tib to base it on, but by the looks of it, it is already close to production.

They officially said yesterday that this car and the Tibby are two different cars and that it's not a replacement for the Tibby.

Quote:

Originally Posted by slidingsky

Edit: Wait are Hyundai and Mitsu still colaborating?

There has not been a single report saying that. I was hoping myself to see a new Starion out of this whole thing. Haven't heard anything even remotely close about that though.

*exitspeed* · 11-15-2007, 09:54 AM

SOLID INFO ON THE PRODUCTION MODEL! I highlighted the main points.

From Autoblog:

Compared to spy shots of the production coupe that were unearthed earlier this month (above), the concept is a dead ringer for what we'll supposedly see in New York next year. The tapering rear window aft of the B-pillar looks ready for prime time, as does the overall shape of the greenhouse and the dual beltlines flowing from the front fenders and defining the rear haunches. Stylistically, we think it's a hit and can only get better with what Hyundai has in store after the production version goes on sale in late 2008.

Beyond the exterior styling, we're more interested in how this new coupe will compete in the performance arena. It's been confirmed that two engines will be available: a 3.8-liter V6 producing 300 HP and "around" 260 lb.-ft. of torque (250 lb.-ft. is quoted in the press release, but we heard more) and a 2.0-liter turbocharged inline four. While the Hyundai execs we talked to remained mum on the specific output of both mills, we're assured that the turbo'd four will be producing over 200 HP and a similar amount of torque, likely in the 210-220 lb.-ft. neighborhood. When we asked about the overall weight and how it would be distributed, it was made clear that keeping the pounds down and trying to achieve a 50/50 weight balance was of particular importance. Naturally, the engine's placement underneath the hood will dictate how much weight will be sitting atop the nose, but with a bonnet that long, we'd suspect that both mills could be placed pretty far into the engine bay – hopefully behind the strut towers. Continuously variable valve timing will be part of the dual overhead cam package, and power will be sent to either a six-speed manual or a six-speed automatic 'box controllable via steering wheel-mounted paddles. Since the turbocharged inline four will have the added advantages of weighing less and the required exhaust plumbing in place for the turbo, we think that the base model might be the darling of the aftermarket; it certainly won't be left out in the cold like other entry-level offerings.

On the handling end of things, the wheelbase wasn't as long as we'd originally suspected, coming in at 2,820 mm (111 inches), or 115 mm (4.5 inches) less than the Genesis sedan on which its derived. For comparison, what some are calling the Hyundai coupe's closest competitor, the Ford Mustang, has a 2,720 mm wheelbase (107.1 inches). This is going to pay dividends in the driving department, as will the five-link rear suspension and front MacPherson setup. We mentioned earlier that the E46 BMW M3 was the benchmark for bending rigidity, and according to Hyundai's engineers, they've achieved that goal.

The real question remains at what price point the new Hyundai coupe will compete. Although the original leaked information said that the turbo'd four-pot will come in at $19,900, we have our doubts that Hyundai can keep it under the magical $20k ceiling. The V6-equipped model should land somewhere in the mid-$20,000s -- we'd suspect somewhere between $24,000 to $26,000. Regardless, anything with RWD and the choice of a stout V6 or a turbocharged four has our vote. Let's just hope it has the handling credentials to redefine a segment that has long been neglected by some of the stalwarts of the industry.

SimpleS14 · 11-15-2007, 10:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slidingsky

Look how many times the GT-R changed before the production model came out.

Two times...

- GTR Concept
- GTR Proto

and these changes were years apart....I doubt the production Hyundai will change drastically from the leaked photos.

Unholy S14 · 11-17-2007, 07:41 AM

I gotta correct the title

that is NOT the next tib, this is the genesis coupe

Found out they used the E46 M3 as a benchmark

*exitspeed* · 11-20-2007, 08:52 AM

Like we didn't expect this:

written by Andrew B. 11/19/2007 photo by:

HYUNDAI DRIFT TEAM?

Yes you read the headline correctly. This week during the launch of the LA Auto Show Hyundai revealed their "Concept Genesis Coupe." The Genesis Coupe is built on Hyundai's new RWD platform and will have an option of a turbocharged 4-cylinder engine that is a derivative of Mitsubishi's "global" engine thats being used in the Evo X.

C16 has a very reliable source that tells us that Hyundai is already in talks with a certain top tier drift team about running a factory backed effort in Formula D in the 09 season, or even possibly the 08 season. The team in question is still currently unknown but we have our guesses as we're sure you do as well. The production version of the Genesis Coupe doesn't debut until the New York Auto Show so there is a possibility that the team would be using the test mule as their drift car and then making the switch to the production version once its released.

Sound weird? Well the reason this makes sense is because Hyundai has already built the production version of the Genesis coupe! In fact they built the production version before they built the concept! It is hidden away under lock and key at Hyundai's North American headquarters

Can't wait to see how this one plays out!

*Yuri* · 11-20-2007, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exitspeed

The Genesis Coupe is built on Hyundai's new RWD platform and will have an option of a turbocharged 4-cylinder engine that is a derivative of Mitsubishi's "global" engine thats being used in the Evo X.

YESYESYESYES!

*exitspeed* · 11-20-2007, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuri

YESYESYESYES!

OK, OK, OK! Does that mean? Do you think? Could it be?

A new Starion could be a possibility?!!!???!!!

That also means the 4cyl turbo should be at LEAST 250hp!

*fliprayzin240sx* · 11-21-2007, 07:43 AM

Theyre using the same engine as the EVO X?!?! IM FUCKING SOLD THEN!!! But the biggest question will be, how much of the aftermarket parts for the EVO will work for the Tib. Then the biggest question is how will this chassis handle.

Any news on whether these cars are guranteed to be built? Curious is hyundai will build the genesis coupe, that looks good too. If it stays just like the way it is in the concept with the lip and everything, hell id pay $30k for that, cheaper than a G35 coupe but looks to match it.

ZX88 · 11-21-2007, 07:49 AM

i like it but the grill it doesn't flow well imo kind of looks ugly.

*exitspeed* · 11-21-2007, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

Theyre using the same engine as the EVO X?!?! IM FUCKING SOLD THEN!!! But the biggest question will be, how much of the aftermarket parts for the EVO will work for the Tib. Then the biggest question is how will this chassis handle.

Any news on whether these cars are guranteed to be built? Curious is hyundai will build the genesis coupe, that looks good too. If it stays just like the way it is in the concept with the lip and everything, hell id pay $30k for that, cheaper than a G35 coupe but looks to match it.

I'm sure the aftermarket companies will only need to do some minor tweeking for a lot of the products. Plus, think about it, if it's in Formula D, it's gonna have a ton of aftermarket support.

*exitspeed* · 11-21-2007, 02:41 PM

For those of you who still think, "it's still a Hyundai", Toyota doesn't think so.

Toyota exec calls Hyundai "strong enemy"

Posted Nov 21st 2007 4:02PM by John Neff
Filed under: Hyundai, Toyota
You know you've arrived when your competitors not only begin acknowledging that you exist, but actually see you as a threat. Hyundai got to enjoy this distinct pleasure today when Toyota's chairman Fujio Cho told a group of Korean journalists that it was a "strong enemy". Not only has Hyundai completely transformed its image in North America from a slinger of bargain basement econo-boxes to a respected purveyor of reasonably priced, well built automobiles, but it's also going after emerging markets like China, Africa and the Middle East as hard as anyone else. Plus, Toyota has directly felt the sting of Hyundai's success, having been forced to rub elbows with the brand at the top of many recent J.D. Power and Associates reports. Still, calling Hyundai a 'strong enemy' is a bit harsh, no? How about "worthy adversary" or "respected competitor"? Toyota really drives home the point that the business of selling cars is like war and that no 'enemy' should be underestimated.

Thanks for the tip, catgirlshyla!

Neejay · 11-22-2007, 12:45 AM

Im kinda sold...lol. I honestly like it. I want to see some interior and engine bay shots.

ESmorz · 11-23-2007, 01:46 AM

Can you say...... Daaaaayumn!

I never in my life, thought I would say that about a Hyundai.

shinhed · 11-23-2007, 04:14 AM

Why couldn't Chevy build the Cobalt this nice?

I wouldn't mind one in black.

EDacIouSX · 11-24-2007, 01:13 AM

FUCK THAT IS NO TIBURON!!!! TIBURON IS FWDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicle/ti...ecs/specs.aspx

ixfxi · 11-24-2007, 01:20 PM

I'de never own a Hyundai.

Thanks.

projectdrifter · 11-24-2007, 06:40 PM

sign me up.. evo engine evo's have tons of after market support to begin with. rwd. and looks like and 2 door is350 plus it coming out late this year. early 09.. fits in my money situation just right any idea on factory colors. lol interior shots

slidingsky · 11-24-2007, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EDacIouSX

FUCK THAT IS NO TIBURON!!!! TIBURON IS FWDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicle/ti...ecs/specs.aspx

Someone get this guy a barf bag.

*Yuri* · 11-26-2007, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neejay

Im kinda sold...lol. I honestly like it. I want to see some interior and engine bay shots.

The concept is hollow (a "roller" in industry-speak)
It's got a dash, and seat headrests.
At the show, you could look up underneath the car and into the body shell.

wootwoot · 11-26-2007, 11:53 AM

I dont even CARE what it looks like.... Hyundai is at the top of reliability according to JD associates and its rwd and new. I mean fuck it, does it really matter what the bitch looks like? Make it look like a dick I'll still drive the damn thing. I wish it was a hatch though....Way more functional. So who is gonna make me hatchback dick car?

Neejay · 11-26-2007, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yuri

The concept is hollow (a "roller" in industry-speak)
It's got a dash, and seat headrests.
At the show, you could look up underneath the car and into the body shell.

Gotcha. Thanks for clarification.

Neejay · 11-26-2007, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wootwoot

I dont even CARE what it looks like.... Hyundai is at the top of reliability according to JD associates and its rwd and new. I mean fuck it, does it really matter what the bitch looks like? Make it look like a dick I'll still drive the damn thing. I wish it was a hatch though....Way more functional. So who is gonna make me hatchback dick car?

I didn't know that about JD and associates. And yeah, I say give it a chance.

*Yuri* · 11-26-2007, 12:02 PM

Quote:

It's Wheelbase will be 111 inches, with an overall length of 183.7", width of 74.9", height of 54.5". It will have a Limited slip differential, which is great for handling and drag launches. Brakes will be twin piston Brembo, with 13.4" rotors in the front and 13" in the rear. Wheels will be 20" five-spoke wrapped in Dunlop 255/35 tires in front and 275/35 in the rear

LSD and brembos?
excellant.

SexPanda · 11-26-2007, 08:08 PM

i want i want i want!!!!!!!!!!

time to take a trip to mexico. I hear kindeys sell good down there.

wootwoot · 11-26-2007, 08:17 PM

pffft dude! You're missing the point

HYUNDAI.

No need to sell Kidneys. Do that for the GTR

jdm538 · 11-26-2007, 08:40 PM

on a youtube video a hyundai rep said the msrp will be $25k..

*exitspeed* · 12-05-2007, 09:26 AM

The Genesis Sedan unveiled in Korea. I like it. 375 hp V8, RWD, topping out at $40k USD. Winner.

*tacotacotaco* · 12-05-2007, 10:26 AM

It looks nice i can comment on the plethora of influences i see on it but ill just say hyundai is makin a push

11-15-2007, 09:31 AM	#92
slidingsky Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Georgia Age: 39 Posts: 409 Trader Rating: (3) Rides Gallery: slidingsky Feedback Score: 3 reviews	If they are smart they will follow what Mitsu does with the EVO and make a base/performance model like the MR Edit: Wait are Hyundai and Mitsu still colaborating? Last edited by slidingsky; 11-15-2007 at 09:32 AM.. Reason: Question

11-15-2007, 09:54 AM	#94
exitspeed aWingThing.com Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 41 Posts: 20,898 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	SOLID INFO ON THE PRODUCTION MODEL! I highlighted the main points. From Autoblog: Compared to spy shots of the production coupe that were unearthed earlier this month (above), the concept is a dead ringer for what we'll supposedly see in New York next year. The tapering rear window aft of the B-pillar looks ready for prime time, as does the overall shape of the greenhouse and the dual beltlines flowing from the front fenders and defining the rear haunches. Stylistically, we think it's a hit and can only get better with what Hyundai has in store after the production version goes on sale in late 2008. Beyond the exterior styling, we're more interested in how this new coupe will compete in the performance arena. It's been confirmed that two engines will be available: a 3.8-liter V6 producing 300 HP and "around" 260 lb.-ft. of torque (250 lb.-ft. is quoted in the press release, but we heard more) and a 2.0-liter turbocharged inline four. While the Hyundai execs we talked to remained mum on the specific output of both mills, we're assured that the turbo'd four will be producing over 200 HP and a similar amount of torque, likely in the 210-220 lb.-ft. neighborhood. When we asked about the overall weight and how it would be distributed, it was made clear that keeping the pounds down and trying to achieve a 50/50 weight balance was of particular importance. Naturally, the engine's placement underneath the hood will dictate how much weight will be sitting atop the nose, but with a bonnet that long, we'd suspect that both mills could be placed pretty far into the engine bay – hopefully behind the strut towers. Continuously variable valve timing will be part of the dual overhead cam package, and power will be sent to either a six-speed manual or a six-speed automatic 'box controllable via steering wheel-mounted paddles. Since the turbocharged inline four will have the added advantages of weighing less and the required exhaust plumbing in place for the turbo, we think that the base model might be the darling of the aftermarket; it certainly won't be left out in the cold like other entry-level offerings. On the handling end of things, the wheelbase wasn't as long as we'd originally suspected, coming in at 2,820 mm (111 inches), or 115 mm (4.5 inches) less than the Genesis sedan on which its derived. For comparison, what some are calling the Hyundai coupe's closest competitor, the Ford Mustang, has a 2,720 mm wheelbase (107.1 inches). This is going to pay dividends in the driving department, as will the five-link rear suspension and front MacPherson setup. We mentioned earlier that the E46 BMW M3 was the benchmark for bending rigidity, and according to Hyundai's engineers, they've achieved that goal. The real question remains at what price point the new Hyundai coupe will compete. Although the original leaked information said that the turbo'd four-pot will come in at $19,900, we have our doubts that Hyundai can keep it under the magical $20k ceiling. The V6-equipped model should land somewhere in the mid-$20,000s -- we'd suspect somewhere between $24,000 to $26,000. Regardless, anything with RWD and the choice of a stout V6 or a turbocharged four has our vote. Let's just hope it has the handling credentials to redefine a segment that has long been neglected by some of the stalwarts of the industry. __________________ What I do for a living...www.mhrussell.com

11-17-2007, 07:41 AM	#96
Unholy S14 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mt. Akina of Erie Pa Age: 34 Posts: 1,965 Trader Rating: (-3) Feedback Score: -3 reviews	I gotta correct the title that is NOT the next tib, this is the genesis coupe Found out they used the E46 M3 as a benchmark __________________ parting out dark blue 89 hatch, PM me if you need anything.

11-20-2007, 08:52 AM	#97
exitspeed aWingThing.com Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 41 Posts: 20,898 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Like we didn't expect this: written by Andrew B. 11/19/2007 photo by: HYUNDAI DRIFT TEAM? Yes you read the headline correctly. This week during the launch of the LA Auto Show Hyundai revealed their "Concept Genesis Coupe." The Genesis Coupe is built on Hyundai's new RWD platform and will have an option of a turbocharged 4-cylinder engine that is a derivative of Mitsubishi's "global" engine thats being used in the Evo X. C16 has a very reliable source that tells us that Hyundai is already in talks with a certain top tier drift team about running a factory backed effort in Formula D in the 09 season, or even possibly the 08 season. The team in question is still currently unknown but we have our guesses as we're sure you do as well. The production version of the Genesis Coupe doesn't debut until the New York Auto Show so there is a possibility that the team would be using the test mule as their drift car and then making the switch to the production version once its released. Sound weird? Well the reason this makes sense is because Hyundai has already built the production version of the Genesis coupe! In fact they built the production version before they built the concept! It is hidden away under lock and key at Hyundai's North American headquarters Can't wait to see how this one plays out! __________________ What I do for a living...www.mhrussell.com

11-21-2007, 07:43 AM	#100
fliprayzin240sx Man w/ CTSV & a Car Seat Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 17,998 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: fliprayzin240sx Feedback Score: 19 reviews	Theyre using the same engine as the EVO X?!?! IM FUCKING SOLD THEN!!! But the biggest question will be, how much of the aftermarket parts for the EVO will work for the Tib. Then the biggest question is how will this chassis handle. Any news on whether these cars are guranteed to be built? Curious is hyundai will build the genesis coupe, that looks good too. If it stays just like the way it is in the concept with the lip and everything, hell id pay $30k for that, cheaper than a G35 coupe but looks to match it. __________________ If you think Zilvia has too many assholes... CLICK HERE!!!

11-21-2007, 07:49 AM	#101
ZX88 Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: ATX Age: 32 Posts: 2,946 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	i like it but the grill it doesn't flow well imo kind of looks ugly.

11-21-2007, 02:41 PM	#103
exitspeed aWingThing.com Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 41 Posts: 20,898 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	For those of you who still think, "it's still a Hyundai", Toyota doesn't think so. Toyota exec calls Hyundai "strong enemy" Posted Nov 21st 2007 4:02PM by John Neff Filed under: Hyundai, Toyota You know you've arrived when your competitors not only begin acknowledging that you exist, but actually see you as a threat. Hyundai got to enjoy this distinct pleasure today when Toyota's chairman Fujio Cho told a group of Korean journalists that it was a "strong enemy". Not only has Hyundai completely transformed its image in North America from a slinger of bargain basement econo-boxes to a respected purveyor of reasonably priced, well built automobiles, but it's also going after emerging markets like China, Africa and the Middle East as hard as anyone else. Plus, Toyota has directly felt the sting of Hyundai's success, having been forced to rub elbows with the brand at the top of many recent J.D. Power and Associates reports. Still, calling Hyundai a 'strong enemy' is a bit harsh, no? How about "worthy adversary" or "respected competitor"? Toyota really drives home the point that the business of selling cars is like war and that no 'enemy' should be underestimated. Thanks for the tip, catgirlshyla! __________________ What I do for a living...www.mhrussell.com

11-22-2007, 12:45 AM	#104
Neejay Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: lol Age: 35 Posts: 2,586 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: Neejay Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Im kinda sold...lol. I honestly like it. I want to see some interior and engine bay shots.

11-23-2007, 01:46 AM	#105
ESmorz Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: It Looks Like A Dong Posts: 6,902 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Can you say...... Daaaaayumn! I never in my life, thought I would say that about a Hyundai.

11-23-2007, 04:14 AM	#106
shinhed Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Austria Posts: 950 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Why couldn't Chevy build the Cobalt this nice? I wouldn't mind one in black.

11-24-2007, 01:13 AM	#107
EDacIouSX Post Whore! Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Los Angeles Age: 35 Posts: 4,527 Trader Rating: (53) Rides Gallery: EDacIouSX Feedback Score: 53 reviews	FUCK THAT IS NO TIBURON!!!! TIBURON IS FWDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD http://www.hyundaiusa.com/vehicle/ti...ecs/specs.aspx

11-24-2007, 01:20 PM	#108
ixfxi Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: bangin on my chest Account: BANNED #fucksupreme Age: 79 Posts: 5,923 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I'de never own a Hyundai. Thanks.

11-24-2007, 06:40 PM	#109
projectdrifter Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: myrtle beach,south carolina Posts: 932 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	sign me up.. evo engine evo's have tons of after market support to begin with. rwd. and looks like and 2 door is350 plus it coming out late this year. early 09.. fits in my money situation just right any idea on factory colors. lol interior shots __________________ Mouth of the South There are a few mailboxes that have been looking at me the wrong way, lately. Nothing goes unchecked.

11-26-2007, 11:53 AM	#112
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 35 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I dont even CARE what it looks like.... Hyundai is at the top of reliability according to JD associates and its rwd and new. I mean fuck it, does it really matter what the bitch looks like? Make it look like a dick I'll still drive the damn thing. I wish it was a hatch though....Way more functional. So who is gonna make me hatchback dick car? __________________ I'm from Florida so I'm probably a bit more strange than you

11-26-2007, 08:08 PM	#116
SexPanda Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Where ever there is free beer Posts: 3,239 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i want i want i want!!!!!!!!!! time to take a trip to mexico. I hear kindeys sell good down there. __________________ BRAND NEW GReddy PRofec E-01 EBC for sale, Cheap!

11-26-2007, 08:17 PM	#117
wootwoot Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: sarasota florida biatch Age: 35 Posts: 3,850 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	pffft dude! You're missing the point HYUNDAI. No need to sell Kidneys. Do that for the GTR __________________ I'm from Florida so I'm probably a bit more strange than you

11-26-2007, 08:40 PM	#118
jdm538 Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: LA/OC SOCAL Posts: 3,517 Trader Rating: (30) Feedback Score: 30 reviews	on a youtube video a hyundai rep said the msrp will be $25k..

12-05-2007, 09:26 AM	#119
exitspeed aWingThing.com Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 41 Posts: 20,898 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	The Genesis Sedan unveiled in Korea. I like it. 375 hp V8, RWD, topping out at $40k USD. Winner. __________________ What I do for a living...www.mhrussell.com

12-05-2007, 10:26 AM	#120
tacotacotaco Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: GRRRVINE!!! Age: 38 Posts: 3,247 Trader Rating: (16) Rides Gallery: tacotacotaco Feedback Score: 16 reviews	It looks nice i can comment on the plethora of influences i see on it but ill just say hyundai is makin a push

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