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mRclARK1 · 11-06-2008, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ESmorz

Fucking Canadians, I love you bitches.

hahaha...

Don't get me wrong... If I have to, I will pick up a gun and start shit up. I'm not your typical left winger, tree hugging, socialist Canadian.

Not by a long shot.

... Basically the exact opposite.

I just don't see the issue here. If your religious view is that it's a sin, then fine... But what's the difference in the end. The world's full of it, and you've got your own filth to worry about.

"Get the plank out of your own eye"

WERDdabuilder · 11-06-2008, 10:23 PM

anyone get caught up in the traffic today?

i don't see how these protests will help, now the people that voted NO will probably have a change of heart cause of these nutjobs(no pun) making a huge traffic jam.

ESmorz · 11-06-2008, 10:26 PM

Yeah... traffic's gay

airsoft · 11-06-2008, 10:26 PM

I got cought up in that shit.

Fucking big Santa Monica in front of the Mormon Church.

Listen... protest but DON"T GET IN MY WAY

Running in and out of the streets.

LAPD stoppign traffic all directions...

TOOK ME 2 HOURS TO GET OUT FROM BEVERLY HILLS TO PICO / SEPULVEDA

*Agamemnon* · 11-06-2008, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by drift freaq

It was in the ads themselves(among other things) at the end because per law the people backing the ad have to state they did the ad. It has not gone to court yet;

The prop itself was written by religious organizations, the vote yes campaign was advertised by religious organizations.
I used the examples of Roe VS Wade for the constitutionality of this situation. If you seriously do not understand that then you need to stop discussing this right here.

Now I have a question for you?
Why are you so intent on trying to disprove what these people actually did? I seriously think you need to step back and realize this has nothing to do with your state.
Unless you want to see it become a National issue(Supreme Court) and have something to do with your state.

In fact because of what has happened, it just might become a Supreme Court issue. So in other words its already backfired on the supporters of Prop 8.

First of all, I am not attacking same-sex marriages. I'm in favor for it! So dont think for one minute I'm some sort of religious nut bag.

I asked from you to to show the proof that the backers of prop 8 used religion as a reason to the courts when they petitioned same-sex marriages and had prop 8 added to the November ballot. Cali state would've never added prop 8 to the ballot if they walked in and said "we want to amend the state constitution because god said so!" Just as you said, seperation of church and state. The judges would've laughed in their faces and asked them to leave the courts.

ronmcdon · 11-06-2008, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by drift freaq

It was in the ads themselves(among other things) at the end because per law the people backing the ad have to state they did the ad. It has not gone to court yet;

The prop itself was written by religious organizations, the vote yes campaign was advertised by religious organizations.
I used the examples of Roe VS Wade for the constitutionality of this situation. If you seriously do not understand that then you need to stop discussing this right here.

In fact because of what has happened, it just might become a Supreme Court issue. So in other words its already backfired on the supporters of Prop8.

Hmm..Agamemnon could very well be correct.

According to the manner in which prop 8 presents itself, there is no mention at all about religion. Prop 8 is actually very sparse on details. I take back what I said earlier about it being poorly written.

Taken from;

Proposition 8 - Title and Summary - Voter Information Guide 2008

"This initiative measure is submitted to the people in accordance with the
provisions of Article II, Section 8, of the California Constitution.
This initiative measure expressly amends the California Constitution by
adding a section thereto; therefore, new provisions proposed to be added are
printed in italic type to indicate that they are new.
SECTION 1. Title
This measure shall be known and may be cited as the “California Marriage
Protection Act.”
SECTION 2. Section 7.5 is added to Article I of the California Constitution,
to read:
SEC. 7.5. Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized
in California."

Yes, advocates for Prop 8 is funded in part by certain Christian, and Jewish groups, but there are also religious groups that are against it and likewise offer funding for it. So religious groups are funding and supporting both sides of prop 8, but religion itself isn't an official justification for Prop 8.

About the Constitution itself, I see that there provisions that protect freedom of speech, religion, and press. It also demands equality based on race and sex, but nowhere is there mention of equal rights based specifically on 'sexual orientation' or even 'gender'.

Technically the Supreme Court ruling (if it goes there) could interpret this either way. Looking further at this, there is a very real possibility the Supreme Court could uphold Prop 8. I doubt this is likely, but that doesn't mean it won't happen at all either. Depending on your point of view, Prop 8 could be unconstitutional, OR, it could have nothing to do with the constitution at all.

Interesting to see how this will play out in the courts.

C. Senor · 11-06-2008, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by drift freaq

hate to say this, no take that back I don't hate to say this. What you have written above is ignorance in the name of Religion. It does not make it right.
Just because people are religious does not take precedent over constitutional law either. It never did and the minute it does the country we know as the United States will disappear into a Religious Oligarchy.

To many Religions and people of Religious belief today take judgement into their own hands.

If you believe in Christ and God you believe in acceptance and that its not your place to judge. It does not say that you can make laws against people due to your religious belief.

If you do judge? Which these people are doing, then you shall be judged, according to your own beliefs.

I just love, how the religious right manages to violate, the very scriptures they are trying to uphold in the name of God. That with their own actions in the name of God.

I.E. you may feel it is wrong, you may feel God believes it wrong. Though its not your place to judge. If you do then your playing the role of God.

it is not a judgement. i'm noy saying don't be gay. by all means, be gay. just not out in public. i personally do not display public heterosexual affection, so i expect other people to not do so as well. if it were a judgement i'd say hey stop being gay! i'm just saying you can not take the word that has been institutionalized by religion.

by-the-way, as per your last comment there, if i feel God believes it to be wrong, then why would i support it. i'm not judging, i'm simply choosing what i feel to coincide best with my beliefs and values.

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Originally Posted by jimmytango00

+1

its really interesting reading this, considering im gay....Its scary to think there are really people out there who think this way....

sad.....

I really hope some of your kids come out gay, im sure some of you guys will be singing a to a whole different tune.

Also, i hate to break it to some of you guys but gays are born gay... you dont "catch gay" so no matter what your kids get taught in school or if they read the "king and king" book, if your kids are gay their fucking gay no matter what they learn.

i have no gripe against any one that is gay. good for you. but for some one to say i hope your kid turns out gay, is making it a worse case for you. you're making it sound like a disease, which you say it is not. which it's not. but it's just pushing it further that way. and to say it like that, being scornful is also just wrong. i dont go around saying i hope your kid gets aids, or cerebral palsy or anything like that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mRclARK1

hahaha...

Don't get me wrong... If I have to, I will pick up a gun and start shit up. I'm not your typical left winger, tree hugging, socialist Canadian.

Not by a long shot.

... Basically the exact opposite.

I just don't see the issue here. If your religious view is that it's a sin, then fine... But what's the difference in the end. The world's full of it, and you've got your own filth to worry about.

"Get the plank out of your own eye"

you guys better be careful with this guy. he's a loose canon. i like the plank in my eye. it keeps the sun from blinding me.

WERDdabuilder · 11-06-2008, 10:45 PM

in cali...chickens have more rights than gays haha.

airsoft · 11-06-2008, 10:49 PM

So if No passed would the Supporters of No on 8 complain it was unconstitutional and should re write it to RE VOTE???????

ronmcdon · 11-06-2008, 10:51 PM

Please, let's keep this civil. I'm enjoying the discussion and I really don't want to get it locked.

But about prop 2, that was really interesting too. On one hand, there could be some very real health risks involved. On the other hand, whether or not those health risks can be attributed to cage size might be somewhat questionable. Poultry farmers might just move elsewhere.

With the other props, it was interesting how everyone wanted to spend more $$$ on programs here and there. Not saying it's wrong to spend on things like education, high speed rails, and childrens' hospital, but I wasn't convinced now is the right time to do so, considering the dismal and uncertain state of CA and country's economy.

svensko · 11-06-2008, 10:56 PM

We shouldn't allow marriage at all. It's only logical...

After all... straight marriage -> gay marriage -> pedophilia -> bestiality -> alienphilia?

We must stop this before it starts! Get rid of straight marriage today!

*revat619* · 11-06-2008, 10:59 PM

I'm not gonna even get into this argument, but i will say this....

SERIOUSLY, stop equating this to black civil rights and slavery. It is NOT EVEN CLOSE to being the same thing, and its fucking insulting and irritating that people are even making that comparison.

jimmytango00 · 11-06-2008, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by C. Senor

i have no gripe against any one that is gay. good for you. but for some one to say i hope your kid turns out gay, is making it a worse case for you. you're making it sound like a disease, which you say it is not. which it's not. but it's just pushing it further that way. and to say it like that, being scornful is also just wrong. i dont go around saying i hope your kid gets aids, or cerebral palsy or anything like that

I was just a little upset, Im alot calmer now

I'll take my words back.

Its just sad, and i hope some of you people do change your mind cause honestly if your kids just happen to be gay and grow up being taught that gay is bad, , it will literally scar a big part of them. I grew up this way and honestly it brings me to tears sometimes thinking that my parents really never got to know me for who i really am. 23 years i had to lie to my parents and pretend to be something im not, dont put your kids through this please, take it from someone whos been there.

***CrimsonRockett*** · 11-06-2008, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by revat619

I'm not gonna even get into this argument, but i will say this....

SERIOUSLY, stop equating this to black civil rights and slavery. It is NOT EVEN CLOSE to being the same thing, and its fucking insulting and irritating that people are even making that comparison.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Not to be all negative, but the proposition was thrown out there.

All of California voted.

Over half agreed with it.

Majority won.

Think of it like...American Idol(simplest comparison I could think of).

Both gave it their all.

People voted.

Certain person won by majority even though he/she may have sucked.

You can't demand for it to be changed once majority has decided.

Rey of Spots · 11-06-2008, 11:24 PM

What's the point of propositions if people just protest to overturn them?

***CrimsonRockett*** · 11-06-2008, 11:28 PM

Stop posting those smart ass remarks.

I will lock this.

WERDdabuilder · 11-06-2008, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonRockett

Stop posting those smart ass remarks.

I will lock this.

the hell? ok power trip. how about you not compare this to american idol..

ronmcdon · 11-06-2008, 11:30 PM

Prop 8 isn't going to be overturned because these protests.

Rey of Spots · 11-06-2008, 11:32 PM

About American Idol... Clay Aiken came out of the closet recently.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronmcdon

Prop 8 isn't going to be overturned because these protests.

I meant that they're going to take it to the appeals court correct?

***CrimsonRockett*** · 11-06-2008, 11:32 PM

It's the simplest comparison.

What do you want me to compare this to?

Obama being elected president?

Okay. Fine.

People were for Mccain. Others were for Obama.

Obama won by majority.

What, are we going to have a recount?

No wait, lets have people vote all over again just to make sure they decided correctly.

svensko · 11-06-2008, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WERDdabuilder

the hell? ok power trip. how about you not compare this to american idol..

Nah man, it's practically the same thing. Vote for your fav. every week!

ronmcdon · 11-06-2008, 11:34 PM

Yes, it's already filed iirc. That is just the nature of our political system. Prop 22 (similar to 8) was thrown out by the Supreme Court just earlier this year. Not all propositions get thrown out, so it's not like they don't matter at all.

SexPanda · 11-06-2008, 11:34 PM

Honestly...

Its not like you become gay because you meet a gay person
Gay people can fall in love
Kids see alot worse then gay people on the tv.
Hate is the bastard child of ignorance and fear
Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness
the USA may have been founded by christians, but they purposefully made it a (officially) non-christian country. Religion has no place in politics.

So why shouldn't gay people get married? I dont see a problem with 2 CONSENTING adults in love getting hitched.

Consenting is the key word though. To keep away those people wanting to marry, say, a dog, or a 13 year old, or a comic book character.

irax · 11-06-2008, 11:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian

I don't blame them for protesting.
I'm glad.

Equality was obviously proven to be a LIE....

which would you rather have, equality be a lie? or the constitution ?..... ohh wait both are lies anyways....

svensko · 11-06-2008, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irax

which would you rather have, equality be a lie? or the constitution ?..... ohh wait both are lies anyways....

Whoa man... That's... so... deep...

***CrimsonRockett*** · 11-06-2008, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by svensko

Nah man, it's practically the same thing. Vote for your fav. every week!

Make sure you vote no on prop 8!

Oh wait, it already passed.

Rey of Spots · 11-06-2008, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SexPanda

the USA may have been founded by christians, but they purposefully made it a (officially) non-christian country.

Yea, and look where this country is now... in the shitter.

WERDdabuilder · 11-06-2008, 11:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonRockett

It's the simplest comparison.

What do you want me to compare this to?

Obama being elected president?

Okay. Fine.

People were for Mccain. Others were for Obama.

Obama won by majority.

What, are we going to have a recount?

No wait, lets have people vote all over again just to make sure they decided correctly.

yes because thats discrimination...

svensko · 11-06-2008, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrimsonRockett

Make sure you vote no on prop 8!

Oh wait, it already passed.

Make sure you delete a bunch of posts!

Oh wait, you already did.

touge monster · 11-06-2008, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by usdm180sx

Damn, where have I been? I know where, spending too much time on zilvia. Times have changed!

That's right Norm, they no longer serve garlic fries at Red Robins.

Oh.. and um.. Yeah! I totally agree with SexPanda. Totally agree.

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ESmorz Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: It Looks Like A Dong Posts: 6,902 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Yeah... traffic's gay __________________

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svensko Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 444 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	We shouldn't allow marriage at all. It's only logical... After all... straight marriage -> gay marriage -> pedophilia -> bestiality -> alienphilia? We must stop this before it starts! Get rid of straight marriage today! __________________ Respect begets respect.

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revat619 Retired General Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Diego Posts: 4,672 Trader Rating: (7) Feedback Score: 7 reviews	I'm not gonna even get into this argument, but i will say this.... SERIOUSLY, stop equating this to black civil rights and slavery. It is NOT EVEN CLOSE to being the same thing, and its fucking insulting and irritating that people are even making that comparison. __________________ www.Jspec.com www.SpeedAlliance.com www.PoweredByMax.net Instagram: @rjsladerade

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Rey of Spots Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cerritos, CA Age: 35 Posts: 154 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	What's the point of propositions if people just protest to overturn them? __________________ Zilvia. Serious business.

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SexPanda Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Where ever there is free beer Posts: 3,239 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Honestly... Its not like you become gay because you meet a gay person Gay people can fall in love Kids see alot worse then gay people on the tv. Hate is the bastard child of ignorance and fear Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness the USA may have been founded by christians, but they purposefully made it a (officially) non-christian country. Religion has no place in politics. So why shouldn't gay people get married? I dont see a problem with 2 CONSENTING adults in love getting hitched. Consenting is the key word though. To keep away those people wanting to marry, say, a dog, or a 13 year old, or a comic book character. __________________ BRAND NEW GReddy PRofec E-01 EBC for sale, Cheap!

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WERDdabuilder Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: cali Posts: 3,727 Trader Rating: (17) Feedback Score: 17 reviews	anyone get caught up in the traffic today? i don't see how these protests will help, now the people that voted NO will probably have a change of heart cause of these nutjobs(no pun) making a huge traffic jam.

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airsoft Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: So Cal Posts: 1,231 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I got cought up in that shit. Fucking big Santa Monica in front of the Mormon Church. Listen... protest but DON"T GET IN MY WAY Running in and out of the streets. LAPD stoppign traffic all directions... TOOK ME 2 HOURS TO GET OUT FROM BEVERLY HILLS TO PICO / SEPULVEDA

11-06-2008, 10:45 PM	#68
WERDdabuilder Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: cali Posts: 3,727 Trader Rating: (17) Feedback Score: 17 reviews	in cali...chickens have more rights than gays haha.

11-06-2008, 10:49 PM	#69
airsoft Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: So Cal Posts: 1,231 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	So if No passed would the Supporters of No on 8 complain it was unconstitutional and should re write it to RE VOTE???????

11-06-2008, 10:51 PM	#70
ronmcdon Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: beverly hills Age: 86 Posts: 4,254 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Please, let's keep this civil. I'm enjoying the discussion and I really don't want to get it locked. But about prop 2, that was really interesting too. On one hand, there could be some very real health risks involved. On the other hand, whether or not those health risks can be attributed to cage size might be somewhat questionable. Poultry farmers might just move elsewhere. With the other props, it was interesting how everyone wanted to spend more $$$ on programs here and there. Not saying it's wrong to spend on things like education, high speed rails, and childrens' hospital, but I wasn't convinced now is the right time to do so, considering the dismal and uncertain state of CA and country's economy.

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ronmcdon Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: beverly hills Age: 86 Posts: 4,254 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Prop 8 isn't going to be overturned because these protests.

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