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06-16-2010, 11:44 AM | #61 | |
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fuck you arizona...HA!...lol Castro : its nothing new bro, doesnt matter if its demo or building, some union workers are still illegal even here in CA...all they need is a fake SSC #...will they be able to collect said SS money, no, but they can def make the money while there working and be under protection of the union and the company they work for...how? easy, the system is run by people, greedy people, who know some one that know someone that is illegal and needs a fucken job...so it happens Quote:
lol...that statement made my sides hurt...lol
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06-16-2010, 12:40 PM | #62 |
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It's not like all of a sudden the cost of labor went up. If some American's broke ass wants a job and grape vineyard down the road is looking for pickers his ass is going to pick, and at what ever the farmer is willing to pay.
You guys seem to think that illegal farm labor is this set in stone thing. It has only existed since around WW1-2 when all the young able bodied men left for war. There are plenty of Americans willing to work. It is the same bs with the factories. "American's just aren't going to want to work in a factory." As if manufacturing wasn't the backbone of the country for 150 years. If there is a job some one will work it. lou's40sx You are just plain wrong and could not have read the thread. Go read the Constitution.
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its called federalism and it makes sense..i dont want the to be governed the same way someone 3,000 miles away is..
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but Lazyness is fucken universal, not just immigrants, you would be straight out blind to say it isnt so (not sayin you are b4 you go off on some tanjent(sp)) like how one of my X supervisor turned down a job because they were paying him 50k less than his old job...WTF!? so fucken what...a job is a job but ur being a nit picky bitch in a field thats draining daily!... Quote:
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whats easier, move to a third world country, pay less than minimum, put out a quality product, and not just save of materials but on labor, while gaining profit, or deal with unions, OSHA, workers requesting benefits, labor cost, union cost, people who care about safety precautions etc etc... it comes down to the all mighty dollar...i can bet that good company, that moved there factories to a different country, has already made up the cost for the move within 5 yrs...
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i just wanna say a few things
im not familiar with any of the bills or blah blah blah im 18 yrs old im of mexican decent i have a job working for my fathers company. let me ask you all who say immigrants should be kicked out or whatever where did your family originate from? who founded this country? were the parents of your parents and of there parents etc legal? would you work in the sun for 8+ hrs picking fruits veggies etc for 5 bucks an hr? who do you see laying on the side of the freeway exits with signs asking for money? who do you see STANDING on the side of the freeway exits with flowers veggies fruits etc TRYING to make money TRYING to survive? lmk. thanks
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All these jackasses lazying about on welfare and bs disability claimed can go pick grapes for 2 bucks an hour. That is the value of their skills and it's no one's fault but their own. Quote:
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Go to the 4 minute mark. &fs=1" width="644" height="390">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/cOI0V4kRCIQ&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/cOI0V4kRCIQ&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object> Those people will work any where doing anything as long as it pays. Most of them would also tell you that the unions fucked them out of their dues, pay, and eventually jobs. This is going to quickly turn into another thread jacking...
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Now, lets take a look at Arizona. The state is nearly broke and they are tired of paying higher taxes and medical bills for undocumented Mexicans. Not being racist, but that's just the way it is. Now, lets take you, assuming you were born in the US, for example. What if an undocumented Mexican steals your identity so he could work? Is it a big deal? FUCK YES. You now have to pay his taxes, since now you're making more money. So, what do you do? Easy, just file a claim, right? FUCK NO. They investigate the shit out of YOU to see if you're bullshitting and sometimes you have to hire a lawyer to clear your name out of your own pocket. Happened to 5 Mexican friends of mine and 2 of them got a "too bad so sad" when they tried to apply in law enforcement. Better hope you don't have a last name of Hernandez or something common because you could be fucked. And you're talking about immigrants who may have immigrated over 100+ years ago for some of us. This is a different time and different world. To assume that the Polish or Italian immigrants who had to float here on a boat are the same as immigrants who walk here is wrong. You may disagree with what I say but it's because you have a dog in the fight. What if Koreans (for example) moved into MoVal, bought every house around you, tagged the shit out of your walls, cost you money in medical bills because most are unemployed with large families, living off the government, and to make things worst they refuse to learn the language. Wouldn't it piss you off? Well, Arizona's pissed, and they have a right to. Again, not racist, just being real.
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i understand everything your saying and yes no racist just real i am a u.s. citizen and yeah what im just putting my .2cents about is well that its not ONLY the HISPANICS its everyfucking one which in fact you kinda pointed out. i like your statements and cleared a few things up for me i thank you. the thing about language is well that this country like stated above is universal there is no official language i speak 3 languages i speak SPANISH(SOME PEOPLE CALL THIS LANGUAGE MEXICAN) ENGLISH( SOME PEOPLE CALL THIS AMERICAN) FRENCH( SOME PEOPLE CALL THIS.....FRENCH) lol anyway what i was saying about parents and founding fathers and stuff is well its kind of in the same boat with immigration not the mooching as ignorant fucks. that goes for every race anyway like i was saying thats stupid because everyone who lives here legal or illegal immigrated here. you may have not walked floated teleported or whatever the fuck you did to get here but they immigrated
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I really dont know what to say. I completely agree with you. I see so many people blaming illegals when many citizens themselves do it. Shit with many of their logic, anyone who is lazy and on welfare should be abandoned by the government and kick off to some random rock. Just because people are Mexican and working doesnt mean they are here illegally. My parents were illegal up until a few years ago, they paid taxes every single year and got nothing back because it was just the right thing to do. My parents also agree with kicking the lazy illegal immigrants, but they can't see why anyone productive would have to leave. I mean really, no one is taking anyone's job. If an illegal immigrant can take your job, then all that is saying is that you were replaceable and not important to begin with. If your doing some menial job you shoulldnt expect great pay, go to school and learn something better.
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Blacks and Latino people in prison is more of a social issue then race. Come to California. Go into the projects. people from there dont even get a chance. for the most part, the government put them there. And then they are exposed to drugs, violence, alchohol advertising every step..........people in those social areas are set up to lose. And all the imigrants America has ever had have been look at as a problem. You think NY wanted all those irish and shit? Go watch Gangs of NY or something, lol You remember 15 years ago when it was the Russian immigrants everyone hated. And here in LA its now the Armanians. Society likes to blame things like immigration for a fucked up government running our country on a fucking pyramid scam. Babys being born in the United states has always made them a citizen. And thats the way it is in most countries. tis just mroe Racism from Arizona. Remember 1991 When the Nazi's in AZ wanted to get rid of MLK day? &fs=1" width="644" height="390">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=<object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ijeXGv9QLRc&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ijeXGv9QLRc&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="640" height="385"></embed></object> |
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But like I said, there were problems that came from the Italians and Irish but they HAD to adapt. Their countries are overseas while Mexico is a hop, skip and a jump away. If an Italian rearended a person while drunk and put the victim in a wheelchair for their rest of their life they had no other choice but go to jail but a Mexican would cut tail and run the Mexico (which happened to my dad's best friends wife). And don't forget, we're dealing with a 3rd world country in Mexico, there's very minimal paperwork on people so locating a fugitive in Mexico is practically impossible.
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06-16-2010, 07:10 PM | #74 |
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You want to deal with people mooching off the system. Fine. Fix the system. Then no one can mooch citizen or not.
You want to deal with illegal immigration. Secure the borders and ports(let the National Guard do their job). Make it easier for those that want to be legally to do so, whether that means citizenship or legal resident.
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where did you get these statistics? whites hold the greatest population in the nation's prison system..it may certain areas where the minority are the majority, but definitely not overall
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As far as securing our borders, I agree. I would like to take it a step further. I think it should be easier to become a citizen legally but if you fuck up, you're done.
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yeah i thought that was more a state issue, from what i remember from my sociology class whites make up more than 50% of the national prison population..
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06-16-2010, 08:04 PM | #79 |
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Generally Whites make up a larger section and are in for much more heinous crimes(rape, murder,arson). Usually ethnic minorities get put away for petty theft or minor drug stuff.
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And.. I think everyone here is aware that Mexican illegal immigrants aren't the only problem, but, that's the topic of this thread. Well, the topic was the kids, but that only lasted a few posts. |
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07-09-2010, 12:25 PM | #81 |
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This thread makes me happy. you could almost make a whole other thread exclusively about ethnic groups percieved work ethics.
It's not that all white people are lazy they've just lived on the accomplishments of previous generations so long that now every white person is entitled to the best life work or no work... It's just the way we've grown up. I'm college educated, I'm not going to pick fruit for $5. The problem is so many white folks feel this way even if they have no higher education or labor skills(skilled labor). They were born middle class they drop out and deserve lower class wages and expect the same middle class lifestyle. I know because I grew up with these guys. There is alot of racial poverty in the big cities(where alot of the population lives). Minorities in these areas can always strive to escape poverty but alot of people don't want to. Why would you want to if you grew up that way and are okay with it. If you collect the checks and sling a little you can live pretty or excessively well in the city. I know because I grtew up with these guys too. As far as the topic of necessity of illegal labor in the US. I don't know any legal individual personally of any ethicity who would work in a modern day slaughter house. Also, no one is going to want to pay for produce picked at $10/hr when they can have fruit picked for $5/hr. It's not that some people wouldn't pick for $5/hr but for a vast majority of people it's not worth it when the system can support you. Hence the necessity of illegal labor. If anyone believes the States can staff it's dirty work with legals and still afford the products then you live in lala land. I'd actually like to manipulate produce firm's profit functions to see what increase in labor cost would do to retail on the stuff i buy. |
07-09-2010, 09:42 PM | #82 |
Fuckin dumb asses just grow the fuck up who gives a shit where we where born who the fuck are we to decide who lives where and how they chose to live it open ur fuckin eyes n look at what u think is right playing the role of god that's how u know ur going to hell by trying to be him
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LOL trying to be him? By protecting our citizens from ignorant under-educated scum?
I think not. YOU have a distorted veiw of God if you think we're trying to be him by doing that. |
07-11-2010, 11:23 PM | #84 | |
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Finally, someone who speaks logically. I have been waitingfor this for a long time. As far as it being unconstitutional, well I find it funny the illegals understand the word unconstitutional, but they don't understand the word illegal
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07-11-2010, 11:37 PM | #86 |
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immigrants does the dirty jobs in the US, but i dont think its fair for the people with no papers to take that away from them. People who come here with no education yet still able to come here legally are willing to do anything just to get by. then you got these illegal immigrants who take that away from them, not paying taxes....its all bullshit.
i think they should just all get rid of illegal immigrants. imagine how much U.S would be if everyone living here is paying their dues every pay-check like the average joe. |
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glad you brought that up.. i didnt get a job i wanted because apparently. i was already working in SAN JOSE, CA... when i actually live 8 hrs south...WTF!!!!!!
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07-11-2010, 11:47 PM | #89 |
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Until the law is changed they are US citizens. If we let them get kicked out we are opening the door for us to get kicked out.
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07-12-2010, 08:04 AM | #90 |
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Agree/disagree: They are technically US citezens having been born on us soil. However kicking them out will not open the door for us to get kicked out. The opponents quarrel is that the parents aren't citizens so why should the child be. I don't think it will ever get so far as to effect children of legal citizen(s). Thats a bit of a stretch. I like how you try to get people fired up about being politically aware. We need more of this.
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