ThatGuy

Considering the Medical attention my family and I have recieved, as well at the procedures of close friends of mine have had done, all covered on uncle Sam's tab... No.

But hey, if CNN is saying that we blow people's legs off all the time and then bail on them, it must be true.

Now what I advised him to do was stop just outright bashing the Military. Because he was wrong in what he was saying, and it wasn't adding anything to this conversation. I am not telling the OP to run out and join tomorrow. I merely gave my background and experiences on the matter as someone who has already dedicated 10 years of his life to the Armed Forces.

I will be the first to say that the Military is not for everyone, nor do I want everyone to join.

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azndoc

QUOTED FOR TRUTH!!!!!

There are some people that shouldn't join the military let alone be allow to breathe.

Fucking douchebags.

UfoZ8myCow

Empty promises? Really?

Luckily I didnt get my legs blown off but I was injured in the line of duty. I received the best medical care possible, to the point where I felt like it was overkill.

After I served I went to UCLA for my undergrad AND master's degrees... Did I pay a dime out of pocket? No. Paid for by the GI Bill, all the while getting paid a salary almost equal to what I was making while I was on active duty (by the Navy via their degree completion program). The only reason I worked while I went to school was because I had an awesome job that I loved (again thanks to my military experience) because lord knows I would have been juuuust fine without having to work.

Not exactly empty promises. But the people who expect to get something for nothing are out of their fucking minds. There will always be a significant trade off.

And like Jack and Thatguy said... The military is absolutely NOT for everyone (including one West Point grad in particular who I served with and wouldnt have known his elbow from his asshole on the battlefield if it wasnt for the NCOs babysitting him). I wish they would make it harder to get in.

Long story short... Military haters can go fuck themselves. You dont have to agree with military lifestyles, policy, or procedures- but the men and women who serve do deserve at the very least a little respect and gratitude.

The end.

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spikNspan

Alright, I definitely agree with what a lot of you who have served are saying about the military. I might have gone a little off the deep end spewing my opinions out into the open last night. I was really trying to bash the government and not the individuals who risk their lives to protect the freedom of our country.

I will still say that I don't think the actions of the government are justified entirely and a lot of people blindly accept it because they just don't know any better.

I respect those individuals that are risking their lives each day on foreign soil, but I don't believe what we are doing is right.

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ThatGuy

^Understood, and perfectly acceptable.

Thank you for being a man about it.

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spikNspan

yeah I read back through some of the stuff I was posting last night and some of the other responses from people who have served and felt a little ridiculous. Just had to clear up how I truly feel.

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I'm glad you finally understand. I hope you don't still think I'm brainwashed

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ThatGuy

BTW, there are currently 17 Marines serving in Iraq right now, that are amputees.

Yep, they had so many empty promises and substandard health care, that after they lost limbs and were given new ones, then given the oppurtunity to get out of the Military, they chose to stay in, and return to their units to be along side their brothers in arms.

Boy, that loyalty, devotion, and comradery sure is a mother fucker of a brainwash.

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fromxtor

Hey I can't complain either, they picked up Natalie's $290,000.00 hospital bill from the NICU and another from the PICU for $15k.

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ZenkiGTS

thats tuff kid.... think about what you're really doing....

s14dr1ft3r

No complaints for me either. Uncle Sam paid for the funeral for my son as well as the medical costs for my other son (the surviving twin) while in the NICU. Not sure of the daily cost but he was there for a month. That's the biggest reason for my reenlistment. When it comes down to it, I KNOW my family will be taken care of.

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rb25_s13*CHUKI

Damn shit fuck! Your post's make want to consider my decision more and more! I'm starting my diet plan In two weeks. I should be within weight In 8 months. My dad Is amazing at work out routines and cardio work outs.

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nor-caljdm

go to an rotc and see how it is first because it might change you mind

SexPanda

take your asvab. Its a pretty simple test. A monkey could pass it. I got a 95, and if I can do that, anyone else should be able to get a perfect 99.

Im not eligable for any cool top secret clearances tho, because my moms not an american citizen, and i've got dual... its gay.

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UfoZ8myCow

Doesnt matter if your parents arent citizens if you are.

If you have dual citizenship you have to give up the 2nd one and be an American only (to be an Officer... Dont know if the rule is any different to enlist but I doubt it would be).

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SexPanda

nope i've heard it from all 4 differnet brances. Im not eligible for ts clearance for a long time, because my mother isnt a citizen. Some silly conflict of interest thing... Its a shame. I wanted to work on all those cool ufo's and time machines.

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UfoZ8myCow

My parents arent natural born citizens either, they immigrated from Romania (~25 years ago). They are citizens now, however, so it didnt affect me too much other than requiring a little more of a background check when I was up for clearance.

I still think something is fishy... There are TONS of people in the military who's parents arent citizens, but they were born here and are now serving. There is no way they can exclude all those people. I can think of a handful of guys off the top of my head who I served with who's parents were on Visas and Greencards.

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s14dr1ft3r

I don't think he's saying they won't let him join. I think its just that he can't get a security clearance. There are lots of jobs in the military that don't require a clearance. To obtain a clearance (i.e. Secret/Top Secret) you must be a US citizen and ONLY an US citizen.

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HalveBlue

Clearances require a lot of bureaucratic bullshit. But, trust me, there are ways around it. It's all who you know, not just what you know.

I've seen a naturalized Salvadorian citizen that partook in the civil war be put in TS positions with temp clearance. That same Soldier has a profile for a broken back but was somehow accepted as the Assistant S-3 of an Airborne Civil Affairs battalion.

I've seen people get put in slots for which they were entirely over or under grade or failed to match MOS profiles.

But whatever.

To the OP: Think deeply about your decision. The military is many things to many people. Many people have negative experiences and many others positive. I had a great time in the military, but I will tell you it's a hard life. You grow up really quickly and for the most part can't fully appreciate your experience until you're done.

One thing is for sure, the military will leave you with unforgettable memories. Not necessarily good. Not necessarily bad. You'll learn tremendously about yourself and others.

I won't give you too much advice on prepping for boot camp or anything like that. Plenty of others already heave and will continue to do so.

Instead, let me leave you with two things an outstanding NCO told me once.

1: "You never truly know anybody until you've seen them angry or drunk."

2: "Life is like a rope. Remember never to hold it too taught, or too loose.

You still have a while until you can move ahead with your decision. In the meantime I hope that you take the time to inform yourself further and truly think about your choices and desires in life.

At 16 I had a completely different view of life than when i was 18, or 25.

Good Luck!

lflkajfj12123

if you do dep you're just getting the whole intro process out of the way sooner

allowing you to leave as soon as you graduate highschool

there is military schools have you considered that

you come out with a high rank and college degree

a lot of them supply you with top of the line laptops and shit

i have a friend who did that for mechanical engineering

he plans on designing weapons for the military smart kid

MaD ViLLaiN

Rotc like already had been said would be the best taste test for ya. Also talking to a recruiter isnt such a bad idea, and above all else if you go through with it make sure you READ everything your signing, i didnt and got jipped outta my signing bonus... and got a combat job wen i wanted a desk job learning computers... haha i ended up as a computers systems specialist for artillery (combat) further more became infantry/MP when i went to iraq both times. But that part cant be helped cuz every soldiers secondary MOS is infantry... also if you go to like go army . com or which ever branch theres live chat rooms with others like yerself and ex military current military and alot of times recruiters that can give you alot of insight and answer your ? you may have.

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MambaSic

Why would you ever want to be a paid killer working for the devil. it does not compute.

Uncle SAM is the one that Got u killed/maimed/hurt so OF COURSE he will pay ur medical. He's the one who Fuckin Did it to you.

C'mon are you guys that hard up that you would sell yourself into slavery.

I grew up watching the military my whole dam life. And I respect what they do. But I Do NOT think that they really understand what there actions are bringing about. they are children running with scissors, unaware of the danger they bring or have brought upon themselves. They play a game. it s just that the game, is the game of death.

please understand what you are getting into. Is that the way u wish to live your life? please think about it

s14dr1ft3r

wow!!!!!!!!! So Uncle Sam is the one that caused my wife to have 1 still-born son and one premature son (twins), huh? I guess it's good that he footed the bill then.

Apparently I'm pretty good at this "Game of death" because I'm yet to even come close to dying or even wounded. I broke my hand once because I got pissed and punched a metal wall...does that count?

You sir don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about. I don't care if your old man is the fucking President. If you haven't served your country yourself a day in your life, you don't deserve to make stupid and naive comments about something you know nothing about.

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fliprayzin240sx

The devil? Where the hell do you get that logic? By the "devil" you mean the US govt's policies? And Govt, i mean the people YOU voted in place to make all the laws and policies that sent the military overseas? So does that make YOU the devil?!?!

Damn Im sitting in Iraq right now in 3 feet of mud cuz of the devil...aint that some shit? Oh wait I gotta go swim in it cuz im getting mortared...

Do me a favor will yah? Send me a picture of you. That way, next time I have to weapon qualify, Ill put your picture up for target practice.

PS: Mind you, I dont necessarily 100% agree with the policies put in place over the military that sends us out here. But some of you dont seem to understand how it works. Serving in the military, we have given up some our rights in order to wear the uniform. Rights that seem to be taken for granted by most folks. Free speech? Aint nothing really free in the military. Trial? Guess some of you guys have never heard of the UCMJ and how it works? Unlike regular folks in their regular jobs, we cant exactly just walk out of our jobs because we dont agree with something our company's doing. Thats like volunteering for some time in Levenworth...I for one is all about bringing the troops home. Yes I agree, we need to police ourselves first before we should police the world. We need to stop sticking our hands in every fucking cookie jar out there...

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cc4usmc

There are some people that are meant to join, then there are those who are not. That guy is definitely one of the latter.

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Oh snap, son! Barry's gonna be pissed...

ThatGuy

Hahahahaha
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Wow, so MambaSic, I'm a killer working for the Devil?

Do you know how many people I've killed in the line of duty?

I'll give you a hint, it's less then the number I've killed not in the line of duty.

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s14dr1ft3r

edited my previous post

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CIutchCollidE

haha yep! Has no clue what he's getting in to...

Pblesh85

Well if the guy that posted this is still looking at his thread I offer a word of advice and a little insight.

For starters the military is like any other job(kind of), it is what you make of it. So if you are hard working, dedicated, have some common since, and can take an order with out questioning it. The military can do good things for you, give you life experience and take you places that alot of people do not get to go. Granted some of those places are no where you would EVER want to go, but some are.

On the other hand if you are a shit bag in life, you will still be a shit bag in the military. Its just how it goes.

As for the reasons we are at war. For some people there is no reason to be where we are and to be doing what we are doing. For others there are. Personaly I do not care, not even a little bit. I did not join becuase im idealistic. I joined to give my wife and daughter a life that they diserved and would cherish. I do not need to know why we are fighting, it just does not matter to me. The Govt. gave me what I wanted, but there are costs and obligations I have to fulfull in order to get what I wanted.

But I can tell you that if you join and get deployed you will start to care about the guy next to you as much as your family. You will find brotherhood and comroderry that you will not find any other place. To some that is reason enough to be where we are and to do what we are doing. That is my take on it anyway. Some days you will want to be in and some you will not. Its not all fun and its not all bad.

But you need to know that alot is asked of you and your life will completly change. Basic training is easy once you get past your break down phase. It sucks but everyone goes through it. The real army is not like basic. Its also not like most movies. All recruiters will lie to some extent and tell you what you want to hear. You should know before you take to them if you want to join up or not.

Have you put any thought into what job you want to do(your "mos") ? Your list of jobs that is availible to you is based on your asvab score. Take my advice, study, score at least a 65 but closer to 80 and get a good job. There are study guides out there if you look. Do what you can to go in with a little rank. At least E3, it will make it alot easier on you.

So think it over and if you have any questions feel free to pm me.

I hpe this helped a bit.

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