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smelly240 · 03-26-2008, 06:01 PM

540 castrol is vw/audi

i run 1030 pennzoil platinum usually (unless theres none on the shelf - then i use the mobil one - depends what i have more in stock mostly)

vvtisupra · 03-26-2008, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Def

Pretty much what the FSM states - but those silly Nissan engineers wouldn't know what they designed the internal clearances of the engine around would they?

Clearly you understand that internal clearances changes at different temps ? And clearly you understand that different loads,tunes,lengths of operation, air temps and mods changes internal temps ?

You will never replicate the same regimens as the engineers had when they were testing and designing the engine

vvtisupra · 03-26-2008, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Def

You only illustrated my point that viscosity is based on internal clearances...

In a positive displacement system(like your oil pump), more pressure = less flow - it's a basic principle of fluid dynamics. I cannot teach you fluid dynamics, so just take my word on it.

Notice I am not arguing that more pressure = less flow

More pressure is less flow if its measured per pressure unit. But we aren't measuring flow per pressure unit, because 10-30 w oil will not have the same pressure as 15-50 w oil at the same rpm at which the oil pump is "positively displacing"

McRussellPants · 03-26-2008, 06:14 PM

SR20s are super low capacity, they can't get away with the super low viscosity oil.

The Film Strength and thermal ability of a 50 weight is what matters. 20 weight would be fine if there wasn't a 3 quart sump on the SR. Put a dry sump in there with a 3 gallon accumulator in it and run whatever piss water oil you want and it won't matter.

Def · 03-26-2008, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vvtisupra

Clearly you understand that internal clearances changes at different temps ? And clearly you understand that different loads,tunes,lengths of operation, air temps and mods changes internal temps ?

You will never replicate the same regimens as the engineers had when they were testing and designing the engine

Thermal expansion is a linear relationship, oil viscosity drops exponentially with increasing temps.

You guys are trying to reason with a very very incomplete understanding of Tribology. Get an oil temp and oil pressure gauge and try a few different weights of oil while reading that earlier link to the Ferrari FL club and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Short answer - run what the FSM states - it's what's correct for your engine. Thicker oils don't do crap for excessively high oil temps - get an oil cooler if that's the case.

TheArkitekt · 03-26-2008, 07:00 PM

I use it in my cars, runs great. One of them is a 2.5i subaru (DD) and i gained gas milage and butt-HP (havent put it on our dyno yet to prove my thoughts). I also run it in my s13 SR20 car. Great oil on the track and has never let me down.

If you still have doubts about power - check this [ame="http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fb1YzGcEUCI"]http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fb1YzGcEUCI[/ame]

SNC240SX · 03-26-2008, 07:10 PM

I also use this oil in my 240. Ive never had a problem.

gotta240 · 03-26-2008, 11:39 PM

You guys talk about the clearances changing with temp. IIRC the clearances get TIGHTER with more heat... Meaning a thicker oil is not penetrating as much as when the motor is cooler.... meaning a thicker oil and tighter clearances isn't a good thing.

Yes, no, maybe so?

madd ocx · 03-27-2008, 12:12 AM

so what would be a good motor oil in a ka-t? i use mobil 1 10w30 full synthetic in my ka now. so when i go turbo what would be a good choice.

TheArkitekt · 03-27-2008, 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madd ocx

so what would be a good motor oil in a ka-t? i use mobil 1 10w30 full synthetic in my ka now. so when i go turbo what would be a good choice.

what youre using now would work ok, however i would upgrade to a higher grade synthetic oil such as royal purple, klotz, or eneos.

KA-T_240 · 03-27-2008, 11:22 AM

Alot of the guys on LS1forums are stopping to use royal purple. They have found large amounts of purple sludge. I don't have the link to it anymore.

McRussellPants · 03-27-2008, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gotta240

You guys talk about the clearances changing with temp. IIRC the clearances get TIGHTER with more heat... Meaning a thicker oil is not penetrating as much as when the motor is cooler.... meaning a thicker oil and tighter clearances isn't a good thing.

Yes, no, maybe so?

Pistons expand more.

everything else loosens up.

PoorMans180SX · 03-27-2008, 12:20 PM

In A. Graham Bell's book "Forced Induction Performance Tuning" he dyno tests different oils on a Subaru Liberty RS turbo, controlling oil and water temps at 203-207*F and 185-189*F respectively.

Mobil 1 5w-50 made the best average horsepower, with 0w-40 being the all-out power champ. However, it had higher evaporation rates, and had to be changed more often in order to keep the power advantage up.

he also tests Royal purple 0w-20, Shell Helix Ultra 5w-40, Castrol R 10w-60, Amsoil 10w-40, BP Visco 5w-40, and Castrol SLX 0w-30, none of which make the average or peak power of the Mobil viscosities.

Now Eneos is a newer, and from what I can gather, more synthetic oil than Mobil 1 (something about the base?), so...

gotta240 · 03-27-2008, 06:34 PM

I could care less about what is making the most HP, its the protection we should be worried about.

PoorMans180SX · 03-27-2008, 07:01 PM

Oh, and I looked up this Tribology thing... It's the science of lubrication and wear.

I don't think you people understand, when you start your car cold 0w means 0w. It'll circulate through your engine faster (and fit in tighter clearances) than any other oil rated higher. Only when your oil gets hot will it run like a 50 weight oil.

I'm running Eneos 0w-50 on my next oil change. I beat the crap out of my stock KA. How about we see what happens?

*ManoNegra* · 03-27-2008, 07:54 PM

Interesting info and vid. How much is a quart of this stuff and who carries it?

Z U L8R · 03-27-2008, 09:25 PM

fwiw: last time i checked the fsm, the proper oil for RB's is 7.5w-30. i looked it up to see where the hell such an animal even exists and i came up with some russian company >=[

oil is overrated, just use 2-part metal epoxy

castrol gtx 10w-40 ftw

rotella t 15w-40 for break in period ^_^

*just watched the vid again and i payed attention to the little captions at the bottom and noticed the eneos 5w-40 said "performance gas & deisal synthetic oil"

i've read up on rotella t (which is deisal oil) and it's fuckin kick ass for break in cause of the zddp it has. on a fresh motor you DON'T want to use a synthetic, so you can stick with that, then after a couple thousand miles switch to the eneos 5w-40 for your "synthetic needs" (if you like paying for it) i actually just may do that once i find a supplier for my ka-t set up.

Dave =]

steve shadows · 03-27-2008, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gotta240

I could care less about what is making the most HP, its the protection we should be worried about.

Your mind will change with time.

I still prefer 5w30 durablend.

Best test in australian torture tests + it's uber cheap at walmart

(don't worry I only buy oil there)

steve shadows · 03-27-2008, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TheArkitekt

If you still have doubts about power - check this [url="MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING[/url]

Ninjabread · 03-27-2008, 10:20 PM

^^ So you're saying run the cheap dino stuff?

Some local guy seems to swear by some oil they sell at napa... he says just change it every 1500-2000 miles or so.

PoorMans180SX · 03-28-2008, 01:04 PM

Yeah, just run Wal-Mart brand, and change it every 1000 miles!!!!
Some guy told me to run straight 30 in my car, "cause his truck has 250,000 miles on it"

dura-blend is a synthetic/dino blend.

TheArkitekt · 03-28-2008, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve shadows

LOL. yeah yeah, i suppose because i sell this stuff i should promote it a little. but i only posted that because i couldnt find my dyno graph proving the same point

darkevildrifter · 03-28-2008, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gotta240

Thanks for the replies def and hey808.

Darkevildrifter- People shoot heroin and often claim "no problems so far" as well.... Doesn't mean its a GOOD thing to do.

Any more FACTS from people who KNOW what the FUCK they are talking about?

well seeing how he take a sample and sends it into a lab every oil change im sure hes doing it for a reason

spinitsidewayz · 03-28-2008, 03:06 PM

I've posted this link on another thread.

But if you guys want to get down on the nitty gritty about oil.

www.bobistheoilguy.com

Fuck it. Most zilvians sell their cars or crash it before oil choice even becomes a factor.

Ten dollar 5 Quart Castrol from walmart FTW. (for NA)
0w-30 German Castrol for turbo.

03-26-2008, 06:01 PM	#31
smelly240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Philaburbia Age: 43 Posts: 2,137 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	540 castrol is vw/audi i run 1030 pennzoil platinum usually (unless theres none on the shelf - then i use the mobil one - depends what i have more in stock mostly) __________________ HREs on a S13 - check, 6262 - check, Girlfriend.... - nope

03-26-2008, 07:10 PM	#37
SNC240SX Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: 京都 Posts: 577 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I also use this oil in my 240. Ive never had a problem. __________________

03-27-2008, 11:22 AM	#41
KA-T_240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Moorhead, MN Age: 34 Posts: 1,788 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Alot of the guys on LS1forums are stopping to use royal purple. They have found large amounts of purple sludge. I don't have the link to it anymore. __________________

03-27-2008, 12:20 PM	#43
PoorMans180SX Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Michigan Age: 33 Posts: 5,431 Trader Rating: (16) Rides Gallery: PoorMans180SX Feedback Score: 16 reviews	In A. Graham Bell's book "Forced Induction Performance Tuning" he dyno tests different oils on a Subaru Liberty RS turbo, controlling oil and water temps at 203-207F and 185-189F respectively. Mobil 1 5w-50 made the best average horsepower, with 0w-40 being the all-out power champ. However, it had higher evaporation rates, and had to be changed more often in order to keep the power advantage up. he also tests Royal purple 0w-20, Shell Helix Ultra 5w-40, Castrol R 10w-60, Amsoil 10w-40, BP Visco 5w-40, and Castrol SLX 0w-30, none of which make the average or peak power of the Mobil viscosities. Now Eneos is a newer, and from what I can gather, more synthetic oil than Mobil 1 (something about the base?), so... __________________ Build: #/f/showthread.php?t=643065 Friends don't let friends buy knock-offs.

03-27-2008, 07:01 PM	#45
PoorMans180SX Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Michigan Age: 33 Posts: 5,431 Trader Rating: (16) Rides Gallery: PoorMans180SX Feedback Score: 16 reviews	Oh, and I looked up this Tribology thing... It's the science of lubrication and wear. I don't think you people understand, when you start your car cold 0w means 0w. It'll circulate through your engine faster (and fit in tighter clearances) than any other oil rated higher. Only when your oil gets hot will it run like a 50 weight oil. I'm running Eneos 0w-50 on my next oil change. I beat the crap out of my stock KA. How about we see what happens? __________________ Build: #/f/showthread.php?t=643065 Friends don't let friends buy knock-offs.

03-26-2008, 06:14 PM	#34
McRussellPants Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 2,168 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	SR20s are super low capacity, they can't get away with the super low viscosity oil. The Film Strength and thermal ability of a 50 weight is what matters. 20 weight would be fine if there wasn't a 3 quart sump on the SR. Put a dry sump in there with a 3 gallon accumulator in it and run whatever piss water oil you want and it won't matter.

03-26-2008, 07:00 PM	#36
TheArkitekt Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: merika...fuck yeah Posts: 296 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	I use it in my cars, runs great. One of them is a 2.5i subaru (DD) and i gained gas milage and butt-HP (havent put it on our dyno yet to prove my thoughts). I also run it in my s13 SR20 car. Great oil on the track and has never let me down. If you still have doubts about power - check this [ame="http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fb1YzGcEUCI"]http://youtube.com/watch?v=Fb1YzGcEUCI[/ame]

03-26-2008, 11:39 PM	#38
gotta240 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: so cal Posts: 3,496 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	You guys talk about the clearances changing with temp. IIRC the clearances get TIGHTER with more heat... Meaning a thicker oil is not penetrating as much as when the motor is cooler.... meaning a thicker oil and tighter clearances isn't a good thing. Yes, no, maybe so?

03-27-2008, 12:12 AM	#39
madd ocx Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: brooklyn Age: 39 Posts: 499 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	so what would be a good motor oil in a ka-t? i use mobil 1 10w30 full synthetic in my ka now. so when i go turbo what would be a good choice.

03-27-2008, 06:34 PM	#44
gotta240 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: so cal Posts: 3,496 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	I could care less about what is making the most HP, its the protection we should be worried about.

03-27-2008, 07:54 PM	#46
ManoNegra Guild of Skullduggerous Intent Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Socal Posts: 7,841 Trader Rating: (48) Feedback Score: 48 reviews	Interesting info and vid. How much is a quart of this stuff and who carries it?

03-27-2008, 09:25 PM	#47
Z U L8R Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Georgia Age: 39 Posts: 1,194 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	fwiw: last time i checked the fsm, the proper oil for RB's is 7.5w-30. i looked it up to see where the hell such an animal even exists and i came up with some russian company >=[ oil is overrated, just use 2-part metal epoxy castrol gtx 10w-40 ftw rotella t 15w-40 for break in period ^_^ just watched the vid again and i payed attention to the little captions at the bottom and noticed the eneos 5w-40 said "performance gas & deisal synthetic* oil" i've read up on rotella t (which is deisal oil) and it's fuckin kick ass for break in cause of the zddp it has. on a fresh motor you DON'T want to use a synthetic, so you can stick with that, then after a couple thousand miles switch to the eneos 5w-40 for your "synthetic needs" (if you like paying for it) i actually just may do that once i find a supplier for my ka-t set up. Dave =] __________________ RB25 280z GT30/76R 441hp/381tq [email protected]

03-27-2008, 10:20 PM	#50
Ninjabread Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Ottawa, Ontario Age: 32 Posts: 3,492 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: Ninjabread Feedback Score: 2 reviews	^^ So you're saying run the cheap dino stuff? Some local guy seems to swear by some oil they sell at napa... he says just change it every 1500-2000 miles or so. __________________ 613DriftWerks.ca

03-28-2008, 01:04 PM	#51
PoorMans180SX Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Michigan Age: 33 Posts: 5,431 Trader Rating: (16) Rides Gallery: PoorMans180SX Feedback Score: 16 reviews	Yeah, just run Wal-Mart brand, and change it every 1000 miles!!!! Some guy told me to run straight 30 in my car, "cause his truck has 250,000 miles on it" dura-blend is a synthetic/dino blend. __________________ Build: #/f/showthread.php?t=643065 Friends don't let friends buy knock-offs.

03-28-2008, 03:06 PM	#54
spinitsidewayz Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Pearl Harbor, Hawaii Posts: 101 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I've posted this link on another thread. But if you guys want to get down on the nitty gritty about oil. www.bobistheoilguy.com Fuck it. Most zilvians sell their cars or crash it before oil choice even becomes a factor. Ten dollar 5 Quart Castrol from walmart FTW. (for NA) 0w-30 German Castrol for turbo. __________________ Love: 89 S13 Fastback: Super stock KA24E Daily! Hate: 89 S13 Coupe: SR20 Under the knife. 87 FC: Half Bridge Turbo Monster.

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