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Old 08-10-2008, 07:46 PM   #31
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I use welded. It's awsome. Very predictable once you get a little bit used to it. Even in the rain, but like said before bald tires + rain + welded diff = be careful. For me, I have bald tires on right now and any time I hit ANY kind of water, like even people from car washes and things, if I push on the gas like even just 1/4th throttle it will start to kick out the rear.
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I have daily driven on a welded diff for nearly 2 years now.....I enjoy it, especially during "spirited" driving. I cant imagine not having one now; the car is so predictable and easy to drive.
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Old 08-10-2008, 08:17 PM   #33
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you've had it for 2 years? Axles break at all during those times or everythings been fine and dandy?
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i've had a welded diff in my s14 for 3 years and I had never broken an axle
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I use welded. It's awsome. Very predictable once you get a little bit used to it. Even in the rain, but like said before bald tires + rain + welded diff = be careful. For me, I have bald tires on right now and any time I hit ANY kind of water, like even people from car washes and things, if I push on the gas like even just 1/4th throttle it will start to kick out the rear.
Yeah I've noticed that tires make much more of a difference in all conditions with a welded. That's why I'm being much more conscious about what I do on my street tires.

And Vinny from what I understand at most power levels under 300hp axles rarely break. Reese from DN has been drifting on his welded for years on a stock KA and hasn't had a problem with his Axles.
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good to hear, I'll def be headed for the welded ways then
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Old 08-10-2008, 08:33 PM   #37
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ive been through many welded diffs two ways and vlsd. it depends on what your doing with your car more. for example drifting, touge runs. if your going to drift only get a weld its cheap and totally safe in all aspects of daily driving rain and all its how you drive it. i dont recomend welded diffs for touge it tends to push cars into understeer which is already an avid problem with our s13. so in conclusion

touge=2 way
dorifto=weld or 2 way
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Weld locd FTW.

I love welded as well.

over 300 welded over 5 years. No failures.
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Oh my single cam has broken dozens of axles with all its incredible torque, especially when I am running 295 Azenis on the back while drifting!

No buddy, I have never broken a drive-shaft, differential, or axle. The only possibility is if you are running 350+ hp...then the welded becomes sketchy...But I would still run it. Then comes the factor of if you can afford 300+ hp, then you can afford a real 2-way.... My 2 cents...
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Just installed my welded diff today and man is that thing a blast!!!
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Old 08-11-2008, 06:49 PM   #41
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welded diffs are the shit... but in the end i want a fucking tomei t-trax
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Third Update!!!! 8-11-08

Much of anything to report. I'm really getting used to the welded diff when the road is wet, it's not to hard to keep the rear in line. I love how I can power out of turns with my almighty dohc KA!!! Also the rear grip in wide turns is much better I feel more confident flying into turns. That being said, sharp turns are easy to loose grip in so be cautious and use good judgement.
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Old 08-11-2008, 09:17 PM   #43
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I like my welded. i chose the wrong diff to get welded though, lots of play between the ring an pinion, clunks like a mother. Thinking about trying out a shimmed vlsd. I don't see a lot of track time right now. Welded is just burning up my tires and I DD my car most of the time.
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Old 08-11-2008, 09:41 PM   #44
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yea just to add the the info for those of you who have vlsd or have access to one in a junkyard ect..

I shimmed my vlsd about 3 weeks ago after it began to never want to lock up until ive had one tire fire for a good few seconds..I shimmed mine to a total thickness of about 2.3mm thick via a 1.49 and a .8 shim

the diff is completely locked and you wouldnt be able to tell the difference between a welded and my shimmed diff if i didnt tell you (im not trying to argue its better or worse just stating this for info) it cost a whopping 7 bucks for the shim at nissan so if you already have a vlsd it would actually be cheaper than welding an open..

just as those of you with welded diff's have stated i absolutely love it, the only downfall is the tire wear since it is my dd as well, but overall the predictability and cornering has enhanced so much, truly a night and day difference

If anyone has any questions on shimming feel free to pm me or whatever
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...why does this eat tires so bad? Sorry to sound so noob at the moment.
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in the 3 years i had a welded diff in my car i did not notice an increase of ware on the tires.
you will if your alignment is off though, You might want to have the rear toe adjusted to be perfectly straight, any toe in or out will increase tire ware.
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haha welded diff is the shit dude i had a welded diff for like 2 yrs and couple of drift events but dam it sucks for daily driver one tire always goes balled faster then the other and it sucks in the rain but its also bad ass in the rain cuz u can slide ez but get LSD dude..lol
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differential does not let the inner tire slip, being locked it causes it to move the same as the outer tire while turning thus it slips/chirps/skids against the pavement.. thus increasing tire wear..
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...why does this eat tires so bad? Sorry to sound so noob at the moment.
The real reason is because the whole point to having a welded diff is to drift for 90% of us. The rest are racing.

What do YOU think happens when you're drifting or driving harder than average?

Tires wear out. It's common sense.

And if you aren't driving harder than normal then why the fuck do you even have a welded in the car in the first place?

You SAVE tires with a welded. Tires wear evenly. You don't have one bald tire and another with 70% thread.

I'm SO sick of these threads. People obviously don't know what to talk about.
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i had a nismo 2way in my old s13.. i dunno how i was able to afford that.. But i liked it.. For some reason, a part of me likes the art of tuning and not skipping on details.. a proper lsd just makes the car overal more acceptible to different driving styles. I like tuning cars to be double edged blades and not single sided.. get me?

My fc has a welded.. it broke on me and i threw another welded in. dont have the money for a lsd, and didnt feel like downgrading it to an open so just got another open and welded. Once i get back into the workforce ill go play with it. But in my opinion lsd over welded over open. But welded is ok.

Never went canyon driving with this thing yet, i just got the feeling that ill get alot of oversteer with it. I like to heel-toe downshift before corners and could feel the jolt through the drivetrain break traction since theres not clutch slip with a welded. Unfortunately my fc wasnt built for grip driving in mind.
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^Come on HyperTel!!.
The heel toe downshift is meant to rev match so there will be no jolt to the drive train. That way you will utilize your maximum grip potential. (not like I can get it perfect either )

Alot of the welded stuff your talking about is just common sense, pedal control and driver experience. I could take off on a snow covered corner in 1st anyday. And be careful with those high speed corners, cause it WILL come out on you at some point.

So just be conscious as you learn on that thing. remember how it works so you dont get yourself hurt. And if your having a hard time going from opne to welded while drifting, your giving it to much gas. Just start your turn in, clutch kick. Let go of the wheel and lift once the tires break. Right as your car starts to"set", grab the wheel, then hit the gas. (for second gear. mid to high 3rd is a ebrake with a clutch kick on a KA. But you should not be at 3rd gear speeds drifting off the track!)

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Tires wear out. It's common sense.
So fucking true ZAR. Thats the one argument people always have against welded. "tire ware". but if you got a welded your fucking drifting, so who cares!!!!
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^Come on HyperTel!!.
The heel toe downshift is meant to rev match so there will be no jolt to the drive train. That way you will utilize your maximum grip potential. (not like I can get it perfect either )

Alot of the welded stuff your talking about is just common sense, pedal control and driver experience. I could take off on a snow covered corner in 1st anyday. And be careful with those high speed corners, cause it WILL come out on you at some point.

So just be conscious as you learn on that thing. remember how it works so you dont get yourself hurt. And if your having a hard time going from opne to welded while drifting, your giving it to much gas. Just start your turn in, clutch kick. Let go of the wheel and lift once the tires break. Right as your car starts to"set", grab the wheel, then hit the gas. (for second gear. mid to high 3rd is a ebrake with a clutch kick on a KA. But you should not be at 3rd gear speeds drifting off the track!)

Glad your happy with your welded!! I love mine.



So fucking true ZAR. Thats the one argument people always have against welded. "tire ware". but if you got a welded your fucking drifting, so who cares!!!!
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Pffft Zar gets everything.

I'm probably going to get a welded again soon.. We'll see if I can get a spare open.
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jp Yea my welded diff was done by Flybert

so its hella legit!
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Going to weld up my diff. today. Not really worried about tire wear or if it breaks i have a daily driver. Id like to get one of these made for the car too lol.

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jp Yea my welded diff was done by Flybert

so its hella legit!
My decal guy has been outta town for the past weekend! haha I'll get on him about that though.
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On the discussion of tire wear, I haven't noticed anything too extreme. Yes a welded that is DD-ed and not drifted will see a slight increase in tire wear because one of the wheels is being drug around at low speeds when turning but, it's so minimal that at most you lose a few hundred miles on a tire rated to go for 20 or 30 thousand miles.

When drifting, you will experience a shitload of tirewear but, you're drifting so deal with it. I got my diff welded so that I wouldn't have such a hard time drifting in the long run, I have to re-learn my car but it's worth it IMO. I also have a pair of steelies that are for drift use only and I mount up tires that I'm given or buy for cheap onto them so that I can drift and not have to worry about my street tires. Honestly, I don't forsee my car wearing through my current set of tires anytime soon if I drive like a normal person most of the time.

When it comes to a Welded Differential the driver is in control of what effects it has on their car and driving. If you drive like a normal person then you'll barely notice any difference except for the low speed chirping. Now if you're like me and some of the other people here and you tend to drive you're car hard on occasion then you'll notice things like tire wear and understeer/oversteer, but you as the driver will be in control of these things. Just think twice about what you do with a welded if you're worried about the consequences, it's that simple.
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What is the price of a welded... ?

Is it even better than a real limited slip?
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Old 08-12-2008, 04:56 PM   #59
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What is the price of a welded... ?

Is it even better than a real limited slip?
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Old 08-12-2008, 05:07 PM   #60
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a welded diff has always tickled my fancy. but I've heard many stories of people hydroplaning on the freeway while raining on welded diffs. I'm gonna be dailying this to rancho everyday from covina to rancho and I'd sure hate for that to happen to me.
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