bb4_96

To make the gross generalization that people who drive high drive exponentially more responsibly and therefore offset the delayed reaction time attributed to pot smoking are the reason bills related to prop 19 are opposed by the general public. Accidents happen when sober or not so why increase the odds. A car is a multiple ton projectile object as is. Fucking stupid.

I've said all along one of my primary concerns is fucktards jeopardizing theirs and other people's lives. Even people in the small spectrum of Zilvia have proven to do all these things so why wouldn't the general public do the same. And all these people elude to utmost education on pot and it's effects. Which leads me to believe that education on the substance has little bearing on the way they conduct themselves. I hope they hurry up and legalize so they can advance methods to catch and destroy people who do this type of shit. If your in the right go about your business but if your wrong you can sit in jail with the DUI's

BustedS13

so, the vote's this week. how's California feeling?

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polls indicate prop 19 isn't doing too well.

Northern CA favors it.
Southern CA is against it.
Central CA is against it

Younger ppl are for it
Older ppl are against it.

Latest Field Poll shows voters turning against marijuana proposition | L.A. NOW | Los Angeles Times

Californians who plan to cast ballots are turning against Proposition 19, the measure to legalize marijuana, according to the Field Poll, which found likely voters were opposed to it, 49% to 42%.

That’s a reversal from last month, when the poll found likely voters favored it. Among those polled, 9% are still undecided, a figure that has been relatively unchanged for months.

Mark DiCamillo, the pollster, said he believed that U.S. Atty. Gen. Eric Holder’s promise to enforce federal drug laws no matter what California voters did was persuasive. He also noted that the campaign was largely uneventful until Holder’s late-in-the-game entry.

"I think voters were toying with Proposition 19," he said, noting that the Field Poll and others had found that about half the electorate favored legalizing marijuana but that support for this initiative had slipped. "In the final analysis, they just didn’t think it was realistic."

The poll found the biggest drop in support among Democrats, who backed it by 60% last month and now supported it by 51%. Men also have switched sides, moving from 54%-38% for it to 48%-44% against it. Voters ages 40 to 49 also flipped, from 53% in favor to 52% opposed.

Opposition also increased among women and voters who are 65 or older.

Support remains strongest among the youngest voters. Voters ages 18 to 39 backed it by a 26-point margin last month and still favored it by a 16-point margin.

Proposition 19 would allow adults 21 and older to possess and grow small amounts of marijuana, and it would allow cities and counties to authorize commercial production and retail sales.

The proposal remains popular in the San Francisco Bay Area, the home field of the most prominent marijuana activists, and pulled ahead elsewhere in Northern California. It is behind in Southern California and the Central Valley. In Los Angeles County, where a quarter of the voters reside, it was ahead, 58% to 37%, last month, but had fallen behind and was now opposed, 51% to 38%

supervenom

For everyone who supports Prop 19, please remember to make time on Tuesday to cast your vote. Every vote counts and the "powers that be" are spending heavy amount of money to try to kill this very rare and valuable opportunity for the citizens of California.

LET YOUR VOICE BE HEARD!!!

J3123MY

lol. the vote is tommorrow?

Polls are usually not that accurate. I think this shit isn't gonna pass. All the potheads will be stoned and forget about it. And I know Zilvia gonna hate, but honestly, I don't even care enough to vote. Happy with medical marijuana.

kingkilburn

What a fucking douche. You came in here talking all big for pot and now you wont vote on it.

Why did you even open your mouth?

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ViciousCesar!

he was against 19. I'm glad he isn't voting.

soreballz

For fucks sake, man... You are an absolute fucking moron. If you're happy with MMJ and don't want 19 to pass, get off your retarded ass and vote!

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J3123MY

lol. fucking zilvia haters.

kingkilburn, go find some legitimate shit on marijuana causing cancer. lol. still cant find it? fucking douchebag. And this is a fucking internet forum, I can post what I wanna post. I was just correcting your dumbass assumptions about marijuana and cancer, which you still have legitimately yet to prove me wrong. Go read some blogs. lol.

visciousceasar, I am actually at a standstill slightly leaning toward prop 19. That is one of the reasons why I don't feel like voting. Along with the fact that there is no place to vote on campus.

Soreballz, I don't care if prop 19 passes or not, as I am not sure what I want, because we have yet to see what it is like. There will still be medical marijuana if prop 19 passes. I am not against prop 19 anymore, and I will let California decide, as I am unsure what it will be like. Soreballz you dumbass, read the thread. So quick to hate, lol.

Basically you haters, I do not feel strongly enough to vote for either side. That is why I am basically not voting. (along with the fact that there is no where on campus). People shouldn't vote to just vote. You should really believe in who and what you are voting for, as well as know what you are voting for.

ESmorz

I'm about to go vote. This will be the only thing I vote for.

I might put down Jerry Brown, just because if I have to see Meg Whitman's face for 4+ years I am not going to enjoy it. Not like it really matters who's Governor anyways, they all eat out of the same trough.

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kingkilburn

Hating on you implies that you have something that I am envious of. That is not the situation.

The situation is you are a loud mouth douche who has now thrown hypocrite on top of it.

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J3123MY

lol. how am i a hypocrite? Gonna go look it up in a blog?

20 til 3

hmm, voted today for south dakota's medical

doubt that will pass

az_240

Voted for Arizonas prop 203... Looks like this is going to pass!!!

I'm not holding my breath for prop 19.

kingkilburn

What does a blog have to do with you being a hypocrite?


A credible source is a credible source. You don't get to be the one to vouch for it unless you are actually a professional in that field.

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J3123MY

Hope your medical marijuana passes. You guys are gonna love it if it does.

kingkilburn, basically, in simpler words for you so that you are able to understand, I am asking for you to explain how I am a hypocrite.

And basically, lets pretend you are trying to write a paper. A good paper. Would you really put a blog as a source? And I even quoted the blog's thesis sentence, which uses words such as may and possibly and other unsure words. Comeon man, I can go find a book with numbers and research stating that marijuana doesn't cause cancer. However, it was done in the 70's, but I have read the numbers and the text content, and it was legitimate research.

kingkilburn

IF the blog is credible I will. That wasn't just some Joe Shmoe's blog. The ScienceDaily is a credible source of news and information on science and medicine.

If you have ever read and scientific or medical journal you will have seen the words may and possibly used a lot. That means that although there IS a correlation, either they aren't certain of the cause or the rate at which it shows up. The fact remains that there is a correlation. There is no doubt that burnt plant matter is a carcinogen but some compound in cannabis MAY also inhibit the growth of cancerous cells. Cancer is also not the only concern when smoking pot.

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ineedone

and your view on vaporizers?

az_240

As stated numerous times you can get a vaporizer or use it to cook with.

But it doesnt really matter. People should have the freedom to consume it however they want just like alcohol and nicotine.

kingkilburn

From what I have read and seen first hand(from seeing a friend use one) when used correctly the only problem is breathing in the hot air, which isn't all that bad.

I would be interested in seeing what compounds are released in a vaporizer versus through combustion.


az_240

If you look at my other posts you can see how I feel about that.

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ViciousCesar!

agreed.

specially when you consider that we are allowed to consume all sorts of other things that are known to contain carcinogens in them. off the top of my head; peanut butter, coffee and BBQ'd foods all fall into this category.

J3123MY

lol. Kingkilburn you don't seem so confident about marijuana and cancer anymore. is that so?

Also, "Correlation does not imply causation"

The blog's article needs more details on how the study was done and the numerical results of the study. where are they?

And cancer is what we were talking about. Also, cancer is like one of the worst things you can get.

Also, you have failed to tell me why I am a hypocrite. Don't call me a hypocrite if you can't back it up. How am I a hypocrite?

And honestly, I really did not have time at all to vote today, even if I really wanted to. School comes first.


Seriously though, anyone else use a magic-flight launch box? These are like the best hand held vaporizers.

kingkilburn

You cam in here talking all this big game about why people should or should not vote for it and you are to damn lazy or can't be bothered to even vote absentee.


That IS HYPOCRISY.








With the cancer thing, when there is only one variable to account for correlation is causation.
Did you smoke weed, yes or no?
Did you get damaged dna while smoking only weed?


If you answered yes to the first and no to the second the conclusion isn't that it doesn't cause cancer. You are left with the question of why didn't you get damaged dna.

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ESmorz

Who the fuck cares?

It failed.

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BustedS13

looks like every marijuana vote across the nation failed.

okay we can close this. shit's weak.

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ronmcdon

horrible CA elections!
Was hoping prop 19 could put up more of a fight
(even if I didn't agree with it).

I'm glad Pelosi is no longer speaker of this house.
Tired of hearing that bitch yak.

ViciousCesar!

az_240

Prop 19 was flawed...Paving the way for national legalization!

kingkilburn

I think the best chance it has nationally will be California passing it and having to push some kind of states' rights thing in the supreme court.

Technically the Federal government can't outlaw it or any other drug.

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J3123MY

lol. Kingkilburn. I had such a good discussion in here that I in the end, did not know what to vote for.

And where in the article did they say there is only one variable. There are always multiple variables in shit like this.

The second part of your post with the questions, does that even make sense? lol. So if you had an experiment, where 10000 people, who lived healthy, ate healthy, didn't smoke anything other then marijuana through a glass bong, and no one got lung cancer, you would still be asking why didn't they get lung cancer?




Anyway, sorry guys, did not pass. I feel like this is for the better, because a better proposition will be on the ballot in the future. Making laws is easy, removing flawed laws is ridiculously hard.

Everyone, just get your medical cards. Marijuana is great medicine for headaches, nausea, migraine, joint pains, insomnia, glaucoma, loss of appetite and many other symptoms.

I'm surprised it lost by so much.