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Just saw the movie with my wife the other night. I'm not a really big Star Wars fan, per say. I've seen episodes 4,5, & 6 in their entirety. 1-3 I've seen pieces and parts of but I don't think I've really watched any of those straight through. I got the star wars bundle with my PS4 and I am looking to sell it. I've never read any of the books or comis. So, I say all of that to say I didn't go into this with any grandeur expectations. It just looked like a good movie and it got good reviews. Here are my impressions based on the above background info.

The OVERALL plot seemed to follow the premise of the original Star Wars...which was fine to me. It was kinda like a reboot, introducing the new gen.

I didn't know storm troopers bleed. I mean, I knew they were humans, but I can't recall ever seeing blood on ANY of them. So, the fact that blood was a significant catalyst in the beginning of this movie was weird for me. Also, what the hell is the point of all that plastic suit garbage if it protects NOTHING? As a child, I imagined that you had to shoot them in the armpit, neck, or no-no bits to kill them. I assumed that hitting them armor was the equivalent of a bullet proof vest. Sure, it stung, but you'd eventually get up, grab a glass of rich chocolatey ovaltine, and walk that shit off. Guess not.

I didn't like Finn. His lack of facial hair and no edge up bothered me. Superficialness aside, he seemed like a chump through most of the movie. Then, when he finally DOES a grow a pair and try to get him a little bit of space poontang, he get's beat-up and friend-zoned. Really a letdown in my book. However, the kid took a licking and is seemingly going to keep on ticking. That's a plus. Maybe he obtains some testicular fortitude in Episode 8.

Rae (sp)-seems like a general badass. I know that with women's lib being what it is in today's society, you gotta have a "tough chick" in action movies now days. So, I kinda expected her to be what she was the moment I saw her slinking down that rope to what seemed like a gabillion feet to drag her garbage to her flying kranster-machine. What I was actually surprised by was her ability to IMMEDIATELY use the force. One fairly marginal conversation with Maz and all of sudden she's a Jedi master? Luke had a whole montage with Yoda and went through a movie and a half before he could even call his lightsaber. But, I guess that has more to do with this instant society of facebooker's and instagramers. Gotta keep up with the times I suppose.

Speaking of Maz, her eyeballs look like anuses...anusi...buttholes. They look like buttholes. The minute I saw it, I couldn't unsee it. I don't know if I'm the only one that thought that, but all I could see was the ten-ring. It freaked me out.

Kylo Ren?- he had me when he stopped that phazer on Jakku. That was dope. Him stopping it was dope. Then, he carried on to do something else. That was also dope. I didn't get why he chose to wear a mask all the time. With Vader, it was a breathing apparatus. He just seemed to do it to be cool or something. It was like stretching tires but your specs aren't aggressive. There's no point to it and it looks weird, but hey, if you're cool with it, whatev. Once I realized that he was Han's kid, I knew Han was gonna die. I didn't think Han was gonna catch the saber through the gut, but I figured he'd somehow end up flying off that bridge in grand fashion. I've concluded that the only reason Star Wars has high bridges in their movies is to throw people off of them. The never seem to serve any structural or real functional purpose other than being a perch in which people can be tossed from and fall rather indefinitely.

Han and Chewy. Chewy did that thing he does to talk. That's all I wanted him to do and he did that. I don't get the purpose of a cross-bow phaser. It's the exact same thing as the gun except it looks "old-timey"...which is ridiculous when you think of how far in the future and/or how far "away" this is. Han was like an older version of the 1980's Han...so...yeah.

Poe was short-lived, but well played. "Do I talk first or do you talk first?" Classic. I liked him. DB-8...I never understood how people got all loopy about droids and whatnot, but he was entertaining. Leigh did not age well. That's all I'll say about that.

So, not being a Star Wars fan, it was a good movie. You had to have some familiarity with the series (which I have) to get a good deal of the references, but simply being culturally relevant would allow you to capture most of what was going on. I can't honestly rate where this falls in the Star Wars series as they're just movies to me. But, as a movie, this was worth the how ever many ridiculous dollars I spent to see it.

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dizzariot

I value your opinion as someone that doesn't follow Star Wars...but Kylo Ren is a fucking crybaby, pussy, bitchy, lame, idiot.

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So was King Geoffrey and I don't see people being butt-hurt by that.

Corbic

There are three problems here.

The first is true of all movies. Bad guys are only as tough as the plot needs them to be. Whether it's aliens, monsters, storm troopers or Nazis.

Plenty of movies feature supposedly elite enemies that fall at will to our lesser Heroes - because heroes always win.

So Storm Troopers are badass when they need to take the Rebel Ship at the start of Episode 3, easily slaughtering the crew, but are crushed by spear chucking ewoks in Episode 6. Storm Troopers take the fortified rebel base on Hoth in a mater of hours, but can't capture Luke and Han on a Star Destroyer.

Let's not forget how they wiped out all the Jedi in Episode 3 like child's play but can't take down Fin, Han and Ray on Deathstar 3.

Anyway, armor is what your getting it, which goes what I was getting at above. Script needs them to go down easy for our heroes. As far as the lore and universe mechanics, the armor makes them immune to bullets, explosions, blunt force trauma and various extreme environments.

The armor also offers good protection against blaster fire while being affordable, light and simple. Blasters are extremely strong, stronger than any real life rifle, shotgun or handgun. Despite the armor, most blaster hits will incapacitate or kill the trooper, the armor just gives them a fighting chance.

The problem is, if blasters are that strong, then why do our heroes survive blaster hits? Leia gets blasted in episode 3 and Chewie in 7. Both just shrug it off... But that's because the plot requires them to live...

Another way to look at it. Modern soldiers wear Kevlar and body armor. This armor provides protection from shrapnel, blunt force trauma and handguns. It gives the wearer a fighting chance against rifles and shotguns but is easily defeated by them.

driftsucky

You know what, that makes a LOT of sense. I also didn't think about how movies were made back in the 80's. Even Terminator, which was the most violent movie of it's time, didn't have a lot of blood.

Kylo Ren/Ben/Darth Emo or whatever was somewhat of a pussy and a bitch, but that's only because he's modern. Most kids are that way. During his training with the Dark Lord, I'm sure he wore a knit cap slightly askew off his head, and a faded retro Darth Vader t-shirt with some "come to the darkside" wrist band thingie. But, I wouldn't say he's lame, per say. He's just not what a man or a good villain is by our standards. But, kids these days probably identified with him. And him stopping a laser keeps him from being lame.

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dizzariot

It's not enough to warrant him killing of Han Solo. I mean if an emo kid like that killed his Dad nowadays he'd be all over the news and we'd want him fried...but add a cool little parlor trick and everyone thinks he's a badass.

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What should have happened is he talks to Han, refuses to come back from the dark side, later on, someone gets a blaster shot off at him, and Han jumps in front to save him.

It is believable that he wouldn't necessarily be able to block a blaster shot with a saber or stop it, not yet being fully trained. They would just have to take it out of that other scene, which, while cool, didn't really fit the rest of the whole him not yet being fully trained theme. Kind of funny he stopped that blaster round but he couldn't stop the bowcaster round later on. They could make up some dumb explanation about him being distracted, and upset about what he just did, but it was still too contradictory to me.

exitspeed

Yeah that was announced a while ago. Disney is doing the same thing with SW as they are doing with Marvel, the Edisode movies being like The Avengers that only come along every few years and a side story or origin story every year. I believe Han Solos is first.


Finally saw the movie and holy shit I loved it. It genuinely felt like the original movies. Which was great. The tone/look/characters all felt like they belonged in the original trilogies Galaxy. I agree the movie moved quick. I felt like it could have used another 30 min. A little more out of Luke at the end would have been a more satisfying payoff. All I could think of is when she held out the Lightsaber to him I just wanted to him to instantly reach his has out and it fly to him fast as fuck.

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TLDR moment if you don't feel like diving into possible theories and such.. Save you some reading.

So any thoughts on Snoke being Darth Plageious(sp)? Seems like the net and SW fans are all going apeshit on this theory.

The other theory, which I think sounds pretty good, is that Kylo is trying to infiltrate and get close to Snoke, in an attempt to possible assassinate and stop the sith/empire/new order once and for all. Like Vader, he was torn between the pull of both sides. Maybe he chose to take on this potentially suicide mission, go to the path of the dark side, in order to gain the trust, learn the darkside from Snoke, in order to get close. Could it be possible he is asking Anakin/Vader through the charred helmet to help him complete what he needs to do, as in Anakin being able to go from force to darkside? Maybe his fear of not being as powerful as Vader highlights his fear of not being able to be like him- He became more powerful than his Master, which allowed him to kill Sideous.

It would play along with the Leia and Solo fall out between the two. Leia doesn't want her son to take the mission and go into the dark side (protective mother doesn't want to lose her son, who has an uncle that is a Jedi Master)- Solo (as many fathers are with their sons) takes the opposite stand and says if this is what he chooses, he needs does it- the whole 'gotta be a man' approach. This causes a rift between lovers, they split..... The scene where she asks solo to bring back their son, (if my memory of the movie is correct) he doesn't say he will, he just gives this emotional facial expression.

When Solo and Ren meet, he asks to help him, he is constantly being torn and pulled from both sides. What if (and this is purely hypothetical) Solo was taking the saber from Ren, and killed himself, in order to help Ren lose the temptation of the force and dive into the Dark side. This would help Ren keep his cover with Snoke, become powerful enough through his training with Snoke, to earn the title of darth/sith (which in the SW storyworld states a sith can only give their apprentice the title or darth when the student becomes more powerful than their master and only earns the title of Sith when the apprentice kills their master.

Luke went into hiding and Rey was left behind on a planet that Ren does not know about, so that his mind is truly clean and clear of this sensitive information. In the end, Rey is Luke's daughter, Ren is Rey's cousin, and Finn I believe will end up being a jedi by the end of this trilogy.

My theory is these folks are all on a mission from the get go:

Luke = went into hiding to protect himself, rey, his friends and family, while honing in on some pretty wicked force techniques..... all the while upset with himself about the events that transpired when recruiting and teaching the newbie jedis.

Leia= hasn't stopped fighting with the rebels and has been on a mission since we left her in ep 3

Solo= split from leia due to parental differences, with their son Ren. Hates himself and did the one thing he knew best, run and go be an intergalactic scammer. Sacrifices himself in front of his son, who is on a covert mission, in order to dive into the dark side.

Ren= Like his grandfather, strong in the force, but is also drawn to the darkside, due to fear and his feelings. Chooses to take on a mission, that could land him dead and isolated from friends and family- against leia's wishes, but Solo's support. He needs to complete his training in the Darkside in order to become more powerful than Snoke, to eventually assassinate him, potentially ending the sith.

Poe: The rebels version of Top Gun's Maverick... Don't get attached to him too much, I sense he will get the big KO by the end of the trilogy.

Rey: Luke's daughter, left behind for her protection, but now will be a power jedi with the reluctant help of Luke. She is extremely powerful and we will see some pretty mighty stuff from her. Hopefully an Epic 2 v 2 showdown = Sith/darth vs Jedi/Padawn


Finn: is a kidnapped child, brainwashed and turned into a trooper. He breaks his conditioning and is now an agent of good. I have a feeling he will eventually discover who he is and surprise surprise... he is strong with the force too.

Snoke: Hiding under the guise of Emperor Snoke, he is really Darth Plagueious. His former student, turned Sith Lord, Sideous mentions the story of him. He states how Plagueious's darth/apprentice become more powerful and ended getting killing his master in his sleep. Also states how Plagueious learned to revive through the manipulation of meticlorians (sp). It would only make sense that this character who was mentioned randomly in a previous movie, would carry over to give the movie a bit of continuity and sense. Sid killed Plague, becoming the new Sith lord..... Plague revives himself and goes into seclusion, in order to protect himself from the newly powered and stronger Sid.
Plagueious hides away becoming powerful again through training (Darkside users are all obsessed and never satisfied with power. They crave more and more). He patiently waits for the opportune moment to reclaim power. With the fall of the empire and the death of the more powerful Sideous, the now stronger and more powerful Plagueious comes out to reclaim his throne and rebuild the empire, with the new guise of Emperor Snoke and his First Order.

I will say that, like Luke, Plagueious was training multiple students. So Ren will not be the only darkside apprentice we will see in this series. I just think Ren is the most powerful of all of his apprentices.

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exitspeed

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That's just way too much thought and analysis about a film that's sole purpose is entertainment. It's much more enjoyable when you just watch the movie and enjoy it for what it is and not over think everything. Not saying you specifically Matej, just in general.

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Corbic

Just say'n

driftsucky

TRUTH!!!

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lewisfk

Here u go guys and gals

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3F1d3QWsyk0

exitspeed

And entertain.

Just saying. The movie isn't Shawshank Redemption.

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drift freaq

Ya there seems to be way to much over thinking here. Enjoy it or not and move along. Chewing gum for the brain.

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dizzariot

Dude, it's because we're fans. You sounds like all of the guys that used to be Nissan owners, moved on to someone else, and now talk shit on the rest of us that still like Nissans...on Zilvia...the forum for Nissans.

The point is this: This is a STAR WARS thread. the purpose of the thread is to analyze it/explore theories.

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S14kouki805

I agree with 90% of this. I didn't want to read this thread without seeing the movie first. Thanks for typing my opinion for me

scottie

Depends on the type of armor you are wearing. I have Level V armor plates that will stop anything short of a .50 cal. It's rated for multiple hits from 7.62, .223, .308 and any handgun round. Not to say your ass won't get knocked over or bruised/broken ribs, but you'll live. I get your argument. Cheap armor for a massive fighting force = mass storm trooper casualties.

exitspeed

Trust me, I'm a fan. I drink my coffee from a Darth Vader coffee mug every morning.

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lewisfk

Our military armor sucks, but atleast we had armor unlike the Veitnam Vets! USMC shared sapi plates and vest up until middle of 2004 in Iraq.

I just dont understand the lack of bombs or ied used in Star Wars, very efficent way to fight.

driftsucky

So many solid memories while wearing a flak vest.

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FaLKoN240

I think part of the fun of a series being revived IS seeing all the fan theory and people sharing their knowledge of the series.

With knowledge from the different comics, games, TV shows etc.

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FaLKoN240

I was talking to my friend today about your theory. And although I do like it...

http://geektyrant.com/news/andy-serk...darth-plagueis

Also the films are not going to take anything from the expanded universe apparently, so anything that hasn't been in the clone wars cartoons or the first 6 movies will not be in the new ones.

I'll share this so we may nerd out and discuss.

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SimpleS14

^-- Is that picture implying the possibility that Snoke is Darth Vader resurrected ?

The placement of the scar is similar and Snoke's face does look like that of a person that's been burned...

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EnemyS15

But then what about Anakin reappearing as a Jedi ghost at the end of 3? Someone posted on a social media blog that once Anakin returned to the light, Vader's essence of the dark manifested itself to life!?

I couldn't imagine after all these years, disney reinventing starwars with a new generation of clones, fighters, heros, anti heros, villians, etcetcetc and still carry on with an old foe.

The comparison images do look strikingly similar tho

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driftsucky

DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUDE!! !!! That looks strikingly similar. The head scar, the cheek scar....neither of them can talk above a whisper. Ben (Kylo-Ren) looks up to BOTH of them...ugh...I gotta look into this.

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exitspeed

That shit is blowing my mind!

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bmaddock

I don't know how that didn't cross my mind. Other than looking up to Vader, that would be some cool foreshadowing when Kylo-Ren picked up the old Vader mask.

Don't know if it's been mentioned yet (kind of old at this point) but I've also been hearing rumors that Snoke is Darth Jar Jar..... (reddit). Despite my hate for Jar Jar, you have to admit that would make Ep. 1-3 seem more interesting.

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