Does anybody own a 240/silvia with an FJ20ET swap???? - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

BigVinnie · 01-28-2007, 10:14 PM

Just had a thought of some great old school Nissan engines (FJ20et being one of them). I do realize it is an old school hard to find engine, but in many ways would put the SR20det to shame.
Has anyone done this swap into a Silvia or 240sx? Anybody have any swap pics of this engine in an s chassis? I would just like to drool over something different than an SR, CA, or KA.

Just for reference for those that don't know what engine I,m talking about..
http://www.fj20.com/

I believe Mark Ashford of Australia used a 1997 200sx (s14) FJ20et and runs 7.86 seconds in the 1/4mile.....
Why is it the aussies get a hold of these engines more than us americans?????

*NemeGuero* · 01-28-2007, 10:20 PM

Aayyyy Big Vinnie
David's got some more info on this shit, I think he looked into it. I'll ask him for you.

TheTimanator · 01-28-2007, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BigVinnie

I believe Mark Ashford of Australia used a 1997 200sx (s14) FJ20et and runs 7.86 seconds in the 1/4mile.....
Why is it the aussies get a hold of these engines more than us americans?????

any links to that? thats insane...

EDIT: nevermind...I'm blind
http://www.turbocreations.com/fj20/fj200sx/

BigVinnie · 01-28-2007, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by NemeGuero

Aayyyy Big Vinnie
David's got some more info on this shit, I think he looked into it. I'll ask him for you.

Hell yeah any info would be great. I've been researching this engine for a while and it has many similarities to the KA. Making it a relatively simple engine to work on (for myself), and much more rev happy than the KA or SR..... More rev happy than SR because there are less moving valve train parts used on the FJ. Titanium retainers and springs with buckets are the way to go!!!!!!

drift freaq · 01-28-2007, 11:13 PM

FJ's were awesome engines in their day. Used extensive in Nissan racing here and Japan. Powered the champion winning Nissan trucks in the SCORE off road series. They even had a FJ24. Problem is its a heavy engine and Nissan no longer makes a lot of the parts for it.
The reason Australia has these engines and parts is because the R31 Skyline came with the FJ20ET engine. It was also available in top of the line 200sx's aka Silvia's in the non turbo version. It was Nissan first production 4 cylinder twin cam. Of course they had the 6 cylinder twin cam 2 liter as far back as 1970 aka the S20. Though the NA FJ was a 4 cylinder that put out only 25 hp less than a S20.

BigVinnie · 01-29-2007, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by drift freaq

The reason Australia has these engines and parts is because the R31 Skyline came with the FJ20ET engine. It was also available in top of the line 200sx's aka Silvia's in the non turbo version. It was Nissan first production 4 cylinder twin cam. Of course they had the 6 cylinder twin cam 2 liter as far back as 1970 aka the S20. Though the NA FJ was a 4 cylinder that put out only 25 hp less than a S20.

I thought the LZ was the first true dual cam engine that OS giken and Nissan produced together one year before the FJ came out? Doesn't the S20 share a relation to the LZ???????
Well anyway's assuming that the FJ's are still abundant in Australia, it appears that I will be looking long and hard for an Australian importer of this engine, and hopefully can get it cheaper than an sr20det......
Wanted a KA with a fully counter weighed crank but thats not going to happen any time soon and the FJ20et looks like the next best thing (indestructable cast iron block, forged internals, and a fully counterweighed crank, with a bucket valve train achievable of a 9000 rpm REDLINE.........

Looking at the wiring and engine setup I could run a stock CA18det ecu and run it on individual coils, or get it wired for Biki. Rod stroke ratio's as well as cam durations are all consistent with that of the CA and KA engines.
Oh well it's still all up in the air, but still a nice thought. Just sucks I see alot of dimequarterly dudes out here at the shasta meets with FJ20et's in the 510's, but none in 240sx's.

tru_40sx · 01-29-2007, 06:59 PM

yes those motors are baD,either na or turbo....a guy on guam has that motor, swapped it in to a old school celica(70's i think)..the car is wickedly fast!the only one on island that has that motor! he does low 11's.....ill try to find a vid and post it up!

civilized_drifter · 01-29-2007, 08:11 PM

theres a 200sx turbo with a fj20et in it, idk if its still there tho cause i was a guy writing some numbers on the window, maybe to be crushed???

drift freaq · 01-29-2007, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by civilized_drifter

theres a 200sx turbo with a fj20et in it, idk if its still there tho cause i was a guy writing some numbers on the window, maybe to be crushed???

are you sure about that? reason I ask is 200sx turbo's came wit CA18ET's not FJ20ET's.

drift freaq · 01-29-2007, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BigVinnie

I thought the LZ was the first true dual cam engine that OS giken and Nissan produced together one year before the FJ came out? Doesn't the S20 share a relation to the LZ???????

Nope S20 was the first production Nissan Dual cam back in 1969-1970 it came in the GC10 Skyline GTR and the Fairlady 432 ZG.
I would not consider the LZ completely a real Nissan engine. Seeing as it was designed with OS Giken,strictly for competition use and was never a production line engine. It was basically a modified L series engine. It was only designed one year before the FJ. Which was a good ten years after the existance and production of the S20.
The first real production Nissan Dual cam four was and still is the FJ20.
Anyways the S20 was years apart from either the LZ or the FJ.

Ghost Dancer · 01-29-2007, 09:17 PM

I had an FJ20 Skyline when I was a youngin' tuned to about 300PS. It was quite a fun car and a pretty bullet proof motor.

EAGLE 5 · 01-29-2007, 09:21 PM

I'd so rock an FJ20! those engines were awesome.

usajdm · 01-29-2007, 09:50 PM

Back in the early 80's, before the 240 and the 86 my eldest brother used to drift datsuns(mostly 510's) and his prize piece had a FJ20 in it. I wont lie and pretend to know anything about it, but at the little meets and getogethers people flocked to see under his hood. I was like 10 and just happy to tag along.

drift freaq · 01-29-2007, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by usajdm

Back in the early 80's, before the 240 and the 86 my eldest brother used to drift datsuns(mostly 510's) and his prize piece had a FJ20 in it. I wont lie and pretend to know anything about it, but at the little meets and getogethers people flocked to see under his hood. I was like 10 and just happy to tag along.

That engine either came from me or a good friend of mine. I used to run Sun Performance Imports in the bay area and sold FJ20's in the early 80's and my friend ran Specialty Imports. He was based out of San Jose and I was based out of Palo Alto/Mountain View.

usajdm · 01-29-2007, 10:11 PM

Ill ask him about that.His name is MIKE, dont know if youd remember him. He always looked funny driving those little cars being a 6'1" 220lb white guy. Im trying to get him back in game, the way he drives my 240 is insane skill.

hsoj_v · 01-29-2007, 10:23 PM

FJ20ET is a popular swap for the S12... I've never really seen one in a S13 before though.

luckyrb13 · 01-29-2007, 11:15 PM

There was a 510 with an fj swap at the car show last weekend (JDM THEORY). Definitley clean, I was always under the impression that they came out of toyotas shows you how little I know.lol.

BigVinnie · 01-29-2007, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by drift freaq

That engine either came from me or a good friend of mine. I used to run Sun Performance Imports in the bay area and sold FJ20's in the early 80's and my friend ran Specialty Imports. He was based out of San Jose and I was based out of Palo Alto/Mountain View.

Since you have so much knowledge on importing engines how hard would it be for you to get me one of these bad boys????
If you can't would I be able to talk to some one at TEAK-IT performance of Australia and see what I could do to get an engine through them.. I haven't been able to find TWEAK-IT's web address either would you have it, because I could really use there number for ITB parts anyways........

EDIT: never mind I found there web address.... http://www.tweakit.net/shop/
This is the only shop I know of that has the modified RB30et, and sometimes on occasion FJ parts.

drift freaq · 01-29-2007, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BigVinnie

Since you have so much knowledge on importing engines how hard would it be for you to get me one of these bad boys????
If you can't would I be able to talk to some one at TEAK-IT performance of Australia and see what I could do to get an engine through them.. I haven't been able to find TWEAK-IT's web address either would you have it, because I could really use there number for ITB parts anyways........

EDIT: never mind I found there web address.... http://www.tweakit.net/shop/
This is the only shop I know of that has the modified RB30et, and sometimes on occasion FJ parts.

Well its going to cost you a good penny in shipping. We used to bring in containers. The biggest problem with getting an engine that old is there are no more of them in Japan(that would be easily available for sale). Japan is really efficient at selling off excess used engines. Its only a matter of time and SR's and RB's will start becoming rarer and rarer. Much like what has happened with the FJ , SSS L series, regular L series,2TG's , 3TG's etc...
There used to be pallet stacks of L series engines nearly the size of skyscrapers back in the day in Japan. They are all gone. FJ's were not produced in nearly the same kind of numbers as say L18 SSS engines which Nissan stuck in Taxi's, Police cars, Bluebirds, base model Fairladys etc.... Or normal L16's and L18's in trucks and everything else under the Nissan sun

BigVinnie · 01-30-2007, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by drift freaq

Well its going to cost you a good penny in shipping. We used to bring in containers. The biggest problem with getting an engine that old is there are no more of them in Japan(that would be easily available for sale). Japan is really efficient at selling off excess used engines. Its only a matter of time and SR's and RB's will start becoming rarer and rarer. Much like what has happened with the FJ , SSS L series, regular L series,2TG's , 3TG's etc...
There used to be pallet stacks of L series engines nearly the size of skyscrapers back in the day in Japan. They are all gone. FJ's were not produced in nearly the same kind of numbers as say L18 SSS engines which Nissan stuck in Taxi's, Police cars, Bluebirds, base model Fairladys etc.... Or normal L16's and L18's in trucks and everything else under the Nissan sun

Well in any case you have more connections than myself, so I have $2500 in cash(maybe more if the condition is good) to slam you if you get one any time soon. I've realized rarity isn't the issue the the value how it appreciates over time for it's newstalgia is. Some Newstalgic items are priceless or have more of an unconditional or sentimental value and that causes the rarity. Theres alot of dimequarterly dudes that come across these engines, these engines are out in the U.S people just don't want to give them up unless it's for the right price or the right reason involved such as historical restoration.

civilized_drifter · 01-30-2007, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by drift freaq

are you sure about that? reason I ask is 200sx turbo's came wit CA18ET's not FJ20ET's.

we never got the ca18det in the 200sx, we got the ca18de tho. but with the turbo 200sx's the engine was a fj20et. correct me if im wrong

btw i went back to the junk yard and the car is still there so if anyone wants some parts on it hit me up

drift freaq · 01-30-2007, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by civilized_drifter

we never got the ca18det in the 200sx, we got the ca18de tho. but with the turbo 200sx's the engine was a fj20et. correct me if im wrong

btw i went back to the junk yard and the car is still there so if anyone wants some parts on it hit me up

ahem you need to go back and learn to read my post . I said CA18ET not DET. The Turbo 200sx in the United states was a CA18ET . Not a FJ20ET. I was selling Japanese engines when you were most likely in diapers. I know what I wrote and I know my Nissan's. I suggest you do some more studying before questioning what I wrote.

EAGLE 5 · 01-30-2007, 08:54 PM

The FJ was a fantastic engine, both the ET and the very rare and powerful Nismo FJ24 in the 240RS rally cars and homologated street cars.

Back in a time when Nissan was turbocharging basically all of its performance cars it was somewhat of an unconventional choice to use a stroked naturally aspirated motor for the rally program, especially when the little Bluebirds and later Skylines all ran turbocharged engines in whatever touring car series they competed in.

So if an FJ20 is rare, one built with the Nismo stroker kit and carbs is definitely damn near impossible to find.

drift freaq · 01-30-2007, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by EAGLE 5

The FJ was a fantastic engine, both the ET and the very rare and powerful Nismo FJ24 in the 240RS rally cars and homologated street cars.

Back in a time when Nissan was turbocharging basically all of its performance cars it was somewhat of an unconventional choice to use a stroked naturally aspirated motor for the rally program, especially when the little Bluebirds and later Skylines all ran turbocharged engines in whatever touring car series they competed in.

So if an FJ20 is rare, one built with the Nismo stroker kit and carbs is definitely damn near impossible to find.

yes you are correct.

BigVinnie · 01-31-2007, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by EAGLE 5

The FJ was a fantastic engine, both the ET and the very rare and powerful Nismo FJ24 in the 240RS rally cars and homologated street cars.

Back in a time when Nissan was turbocharging basically all of its performance cars it was somewhat of an unconventional choice to use a stroked naturally aspirated motor for the rally program, especially when the little Bluebirds and later Skylines all ran turbocharged engines in whatever touring car series they competed in.

So if an FJ20 is rare, one built with the Nismo stroker kit and carbs is definitely damn near impossible to find.

From what I understand there are less than 15 FJ24 engines left in the world, most were stripped down and used for parts. I did find a FJ24 for sale in the U.K fully rebuilt it carried a $17,000 dollar price tag, that is without the 240RS.
There were over 10,000 FJ20et produced across the (U.K, Australia, and Japan). There is defenitely an FJ20et out there for me some where. I have an uncle that lives in the U.K I may just take a flight out there and look around at there local junk yards.

Pignose_Jorge · 11-08-2016, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by drift freaq

yes you are correct.

I know this is an old thread buuut im 19 and i seem to be more knowledgeable and appreciate older motor more than my older sibling and i would literally shit myself if i had an fj in my s13. I have $5,000 us dollars i am willing so slap someone in the face with for a fj20et full swap, shit ill trade you my single cam ka and throw some cash (not all5000) on top if you have one

95_S14 · 11-08-2016, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Pignose_Jorge

I know this is an old thread buuut im 19 and i seem to be more knowledgeable and appreciate older motor more than my older sibling and i would literally shit myself if i had an fj in my s13. I have $5,000 us dollars i am willing so slap someone in the face with for a fj20et full swap, shit ill trade you my single cam ka and throw some cash (not all5000) on top if you have one

You fucking dick mouth , this shits over 9 years old , nobody gives a fuck what you will pay for this swap make a wtb thread yo cunt

Pignose_Jorge · 11-08-2016, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 95_S14

You fucking dick mouth , this shits over 9 years old , nobody gives a fuck what you will pay for this swap make a wtb thread yo cunt

Well sorry dick nose, im still trying to find that motor and like i said in my first sentence "i know its an old post" if its so old for me to ask about it why are you here talking shit instead of letting it be ? If you cant find that motor for me dont bother talking shit cause you also just commented on a 9 year old post sooo fuck off and die twice please and thank you

95_S14 · 11-08-2016, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Pignose_Jorge

Well sorry dick nose, im still trying to find that motor and like i said in my first sentence "i know its an old post" if its so old for me to ask about it why are you here talking shit instead of letting it be ? If you cant find that motor for me dont bother talking shit cause you also just commented on a 9 year old post sooo fuck off and die twice please and thank you

Its already been bumped asshole , go back and get the civic you sold for that pos 240 you got

Pignose_Jorge · 11-08-2016, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 95_S14

Its already been bumped asshole , go back and get the civic you sold for that pos 240 you got

Thanks dick breath buuut ive never owned a civic sooo idk what the fuck youre talking about, i have an 91 sr20 coupe and a 89 single cam hatch. The hatch being my first car and coupe being my second soo i appreciate your two cents (not really) but serious shit if you can find an fj20 or 24 i wouls greatly appreciate that thanks

01-28-2007, 10:14 PM	#1
BigVinnie Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Walnut Crizzle, Crackifornia Age: 42 Posts: 1,266 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: BigVinnie Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Does anybody own a 240/silvia with an FJ20ET swap???? Just had a thought of some great old school Nissan engines (FJ20et being one of them). I do realize it is an old school hard to find engine, but in many ways would put the SR20det to shame. Has anyone done this swap into a Silvia or 240sx? Anybody have any swap pics of this engine in an s chassis? I would just like to drool over something different than an SR, CA, or KA. Just for reference for those that don't know what engine I,m talking about.. http://www.fj20.com/ I believe Mark Ashford of Australia used a 1997 200sx (s14) FJ20et and runs 7.86 seconds in the 1/4mile..... Why is it the aussies get a hold of these engines more than us americans?????

01-28-2007, 10:20 PM	#2
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 36 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	Aayyyy Big Vinnie David's got some more info on this shit, I think he looked into it. I'll ask him for you. __________________

01-28-2007, 11:13 PM	#5
drift freaq R.I.P. Aya, always love Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Los Feliz/Hollywood Posts: 18,558 Trader Rating: (215) Rides Gallery: drift freaq Feedback Score: 215 reviews	FJ's were awesome engines in their day. Used extensive in Nissan racing here and Japan. Powered the champion winning Nissan trucks in the SCORE off road series. They even had a FJ24. Problem is its a heavy engine and Nissan no longer makes a lot of the parts for it. The reason Australia has these engines and parts is because the R31 Skyline came with the FJ20ET engine. It was also available in top of the line 200sx's aka Silvia's in the non turbo version. It was Nissan first production 4 cylinder twin cam. Of course they had the 6 cylinder twin cam 2 liter as far back as 1970 aka the S20. Though the NA FJ was a 4 cylinder that put out only 25 hp less than a S20. __________________ "Having a lot of tracks on a song is like putting stickers on a car to get more horsepower" New Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uebV1OnbRsw Buy my mounts! http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/51531...ns-mounts.html http://zilvia.net/f/tech-talk/317539...e-mouts-6.html

01-29-2007, 08:11 PM	#8
civilized_drifter Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: spring hill, TN Age: 32 Posts: 584 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	theres a 200sx turbo with a fj20et in it, idk if its still there tho cause i was a guy writing some numbers on the window, maybe to be crushed??? __________________

01-29-2007, 09:17 PM	#11
Ghost Dancer Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Japanland Posts: 314 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I had an FJ20 Skyline when I was a youngin' tuned to about 300PS. It was quite a fun car and a pretty bullet proof motor. __________________ AIM: GDR32Japan YM: GhostDancerJapan

01-29-2007, 06:59 PM	#7
tru_40sx Leaky Injector Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: guam,usa Posts: 52 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yes those motors are baD,either na or turbo....a guy on guam has that motor, swapped it in to a old school celica(70's i think)..the car is wickedly fast!the only one on island that has that motor! he does low 11's.....ill try to find a vid and post it up!

01-29-2007, 09:21 PM	#12
EAGLE 5 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Kingwood, TX Age: 38 Posts: 24 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'd so rock an FJ20! those engines were awesome. __________________

01-29-2007, 09:50 PM	#13
usajdm Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: east bay ca. Posts: 458 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Back in the early 80's, before the 240 and the 86 my eldest brother used to drift datsuns(mostly 510's) and his prize piece had a FJ20 in it. I wont lie and pretend to know anything about it, but at the little meets and getogethers people flocked to see under his hood. I was like 10 and just happy to tag along. __________________ What the hell is "BALLER" or "GANGSTER" status, about a 240sx?

01-29-2007, 10:11 PM	#15
usajdm Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: east bay ca. Posts: 458 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ill ask him about that.His name is MIKE, dont know if youd remember him. He always looked funny driving those little cars being a 6'1" 220lb white guy. Im trying to get him back in game, the way he drives my 240 is insane skill. __________________ What the hell is "BALLER" or "GANGSTER" status, about a 240sx?

01-29-2007, 10:23 PM	#16
hsoj_v Leaky Injector Join Date: May 2006 Location: San Jose, CA Age: 35 Posts: 84 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	FJ20ET is a popular swap for the S12... I've never really seen one in a S13 before though. __________________

01-29-2007, 11:15 PM	#17
luckyrb13 Leaky Injector Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Bay Area CA Posts: 76 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	There was a 510 with an fj swap at the car show last weekend (JDM THEORY). Definitley clean, I was always under the impression that they came out of toyotas shows you how little I know.lol. __________________ ...FFF Club Far From Finished

01-30-2007, 08:54 PM	#23
EAGLE 5 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Kingwood, TX Age: 38 Posts: 24 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The FJ was a fantastic engine, both the ET and the very rare and powerful Nismo FJ24 in the 240RS rally cars and homologated street cars. Back in a time when Nissan was turbocharging basically all of its performance cars it was somewhat of an unconventional choice to use a stroked naturally aspirated motor for the rally program, especially when the little Bluebirds and later Skylines all ran turbocharged engines in whatever touring car series they competed in. So if an FJ20 is rare, one built with the Nismo stroker kit and carbs is definitely damn near impossible to find. __________________

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