Andrew Bohan

why not just follow that logic some more and go jewish.

or even more and go animist

orthodoxy baby, yeah!

Phlip

You mean we won't have all that shit back next week to bore the fuck out of us? Who gives a piss about San Francisco or the rest of California? I don't live there... Gas prices are actually comparatively good in the southeast, I got 93 octane for 2.09/gallon yesterday. I will complain when it is time to complain, but just because YOU don't care enough to want to have news of a new pope on the news doesn't mean the rest of the world should stop caring too...

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AlligatorBling

news is only worthy to those who want to read it, if people didn't read it.... it wouldn't be news.

ph34r

news is always the same. people dying, more wars, higher prices on something, threats here and there.

networks look for large events such as this to cover and break the monotony of our usual news broadcast. i live near DC and here daily about someone missing or killed. it has gotten to the point where i occasionally feel bad for the person, but most of the time i don't care who got shot. i'm also reaching my limits on hearing about the war in Iraq, but that's another issue all together.

240trainee

Yea, screw the refromation huh, faith before works and all that Lol, this is funny, arguing about religion on zilvia.net

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Phlip

Besides, everyone knows they chose the wrong person as pope anyway... everyone knows it should have been the Archbishop Don "Magic" Juan:



"I don't know whatchu heard about me
but a bitch can't get a dolla outta me
no Cadillac, no perms you can't see
cause I'ma motherf**kin P.O.PE."

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MakotoS13

i wonder if anybody here realizes that catholicism is the worst thing to happen to christianity ever. sure it spread it faster but thats what corporations DO.

nismo2491

how the fuck did you do that? shit I'm catholic and I don't particularly like mass... stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down, knees, stand up, knees, sit down, hug the person next to you, sit down, walk to the front for communion, knees, stand up, sit down, leave.
shit I get my sunday workout at church...

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Phlip

I don't need much time to doze off, and yeah, the "stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down, stand up, sit down" was a killer too, now that you mention it...

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KoukiMonster

damn, glad im protestant prysbeterian.

i think im gonna watch dogma

Phlip

You know what? Now that you mention it, I am gonna watch Dogma too

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MakotoS13

rituallistic action for the sake of rituallistic action is something i can't stand at all. its like busy work when you get a substitute in school.

Marty

Worst thing to happen to christianity ever? If it wasn't for Catholicism then Christianity wouldn't exist.

Phlip

Yeah, the cross was Roman Catholic punishment, wasn't it.
... the very beginning of the repressive entity all those years ago

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Well, back on topic...Yay! A new pope has been elected! It does not look like he will last long due to age, but he can certainly make an impression.

Back off topic...As far a Catholicism being this and that, all those who dislike it...regardless of what you say, you are forgiven. Opinions are just that,which is why this thread has definately run its course...way off.

As a matter of fact, many wars are fought due to these differences of opinion for one. No one can make anyone think the same unless done by force, but still not willfully. Whether it be infidels, muslims, christians, catholics, etc., no one will agree and desist.

This thread will become hot like the racism threads, and eventually shut down since the actual discussion taking place now is nothing more than opinions, and some may feel insulted and/or take it personally.



...count how many times i used opinion...

Var

I'm all for Christianity, but down with the church. I hate the politics involved with it. If the moral guidance you need is not within you, just quit trying to be good. I hoestly think the church is a disgrace to Christianity. I dont need a worldwide organiztion of conservative old people telling me what's right and wrong, and i especially hate being associated with large groups of people considering 99% of humans are stupid. So i naturally hate calling myself a Christian. And the whole cardinal and pope thing makes my sick to my stomach. They are all so damn pompous looking. Fuck them and their fruity red dresses. Bottom line. Follow the new testament as best as you can, and keep church sacred, which means in your home when you pray. That is spiritually healthier than evil old people trying to hypnotize you with their funny smelling incense.

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you know, when you get down to it, you don't need the new testament either. you don't need any book. just use some sense and you'll be okay. being non-christian doesn't make you a bad person, though some people would have you believe that.

kingsol

well, technically, to be a Christian one accepts Christ as Lord and Savior and that's it (no good or bad blah, blah prerequisites or contingencies apply). The Reformation severed ties with the, then, corrupt (arguably, even now) Roman Catholic Church and Protestant Christianity was the result. Also, the Christian Bible includes, both, the Old and New Testament, not either or. Christ himself referred to the Old Testament regularly and fulfilled many of its prophecies, proving its necessity and importance.

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KoukiMonster

i don't know if this has been previously said but i find it odd that an ex-nazi youth has been proclaimed pope, the day before hitlers birthday.

purely coincidence.

S14DB

He's not pope till sunday.

Phlip

Does this mean that there is still hope for the Archbishop?

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nismo2491

let me start at the bottom and work my way up....
this thread shouldn't be locked, its a thread about a worldwide recognized religuous leader, probably the most peaceful man alive, there is no reason for it to get that out of hand. though I do agree with you that it won't surprise me if that happens, which is sad.

as far as the war thing, pretty much every war thats ever been fought has had some basis in religion if not solely because of religion, there are a few that aren't religous based but the majority are...

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kingsol

many times religious doctrines are twisted to back war. it's what happens when people start picking and choosing from a religion.

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revat619

Seriously!

I thought it was just me, but for real that guy looks hardcore evil. There's something about his eyes that just doesnt sit right with me.

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Romeyo07

Eh, so what if he was an ex-nazi youth....it's called forgiveness. Let it go. I'm not catholic, but give the man a break.

no, it wasn't. It was the most extreme form of Roman punishment, not Roman Catholic. The catholic religion could not have started before Jesus was even crucified.

I'll be speaking on behalf of myself and where I live, and what I've seen. I can't speak for a whole, when there are many people that make the rest of the christian world look bad.

It's impossible to be all for christianity and not believe in church. I've never had to deal with politics in church. EVERY church I've been to or visited has never had a "political" problem, in fact, I've always been received with open arms. EVERYONE is born with a sense of morals, because they know good from bad. Whether or not they decide to use it up to them.

Deciding to be a Christian is also deciding to follow the footsteps of Jesus. We as humans will NEVER be like him, and he knows that...and it's ok. He just wants you to try. Ever Christian NEEDS to go to church, don't care who you are. You're only fooling youself if you think you can grow a meaningful relationship with God with solely ATTEMPTING to establish such relationship from home. You should go to church to be with those who believe what you do. I want the preacher on Sunday to talk to me, because these are words from God. Many times I've gone to church on Sunday with a problem I've had to deal with, or something on my mind, and I've left the church with an answer, and I feel so much better about attacking the work week ahead and dealing with lifes problems.

Follow the bible, not just the new testament. Thousands of God's people would gather just to listen to the man of God. Not just that, they did it from day break until noon....non stop. They had a hunger for God's word and wanted so much more after he was done. You can't do just an hour?

Bottom line, believe what you want. Do what you want. There is nothing I can do to change your mind, because it is set in your heart to do so. The only person that has ever changed any man in mankind's history is God. I hope that if you do believe in Jesus and want to follow him, you'd change your ways. I felt the same way you did not too long ago, and I'm glad that God opened my eyes.

I'm not bashing you at all, just answering to what you said. Gotta work now.

MakotoS13

actually to be christian is to be "christ like" which means you daily do the best you can to follow the teachings of christ despite your vices and humanity. christianity didn't need cathlicism. they are probably the main reason we are so hated around the wrold.

Var

what i'm gonna say might offend you(sorry in advance)

There are different types of believers. There are ones who try to live life the best they can, then there are those who believe that the church is the guide to christianity. To me the church has no authority. People who go to church and speak like you do are brainwashed.

I completely disagree with you here. The preacher's words may the word of God, but he's repeating things out of the bible and teachings from the bible. Anything a preacher says is just stating the obvious. Like i said before if you need to here that stuff over and over again something's wrong with you.

If you forget what's right and wrong in the middle of the week and you need to go back every sunday, then so be it. i dont need that nonsense. i dont believe in it. In fact i think i would enjoy bible study groups better than church. I'd discuss things and try to interpret them with other people rather than go to mass. it's like a zombie ritual...stand up, sit down, stand up, do a cross, listen to some rambling, say a prayer that doesnt mean anything to me, listen to more rambling, choke on some incense, stand up, sit down, and in the end you're back where you started.

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Given, when one accepts Christ, one should, in theory, become more "Christ like," but my point was that it is not a prerequiste nor a contigency like it is for Catholicism. i should've said to become a Christian there are no prereqs. and to be a Christian there are no contigencies....
Also, Christianity reformed catholicism, so though they differ, Christianity's coming was dependent upon the RCC. The close relation between the two made by the masses is the reason Christians share the same bad light, which was gained by the RCC throughout history.

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nismo2491

uhhh RCC and christianity are not 2 different things. catholocism is a division of christianity....

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MakotoS13

i think you just proved our point