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Tyler Durdan · 10-29-2002, 09:14 PM

Kreator...my point was so you would see that demostic are not ALWAYS faster than imports in a straight line. If you said something that hp/dollar demostic will always win, or for the money demostics are faster than imports in a straight line, then I would agree with you. But you didn't, you stated that they are always faster...I proved you wrong with the supra mustang comparison. You want equal price...here ya go:

Cars at or under 25,000 (benchmark set by Mustang GT)
(00)Camaro z-28.....13.3 qt. mile
(00)Mustang GT......14.5 qt. mile
(02)WRX sti............14.0 qt. mile
(00)Integra Type R...14.5 qt. mile

OR

99 C5 Corvette....13.0 qt. mile 40,000 brand new
95 RX7...............13.5 qt. mile 31,000 brand new
Leaves 9 grand to make cars equal in price for the rx7...6 tenths of a second easily attained.

On the 84 camaro z-28...I misread the 355 thinking you were talking about a 350 lt1 or ls1 or just a plain old chevy 350 short block.

Kreator · 10-29-2002, 09:28 PM

Well i thought it was assumed. I mean we could start comparing a geo metro and r34 if the pricing didn't matter. What i was talking about was that all in all if you take and build a v8 and take an import engine and turbo it, the v8 is gonna put out more. Plus if we are talking hardcore straight line, you'll rarely see v8s with less than 600 at the crank. And at that point import engines become much more expensive.

adey · 10-29-2002, 10:37 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LanceS13 @ Oct. 29 2002,1:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">...or make a 5.7L push out 600+hp (well, not stock...but a V8 can be "fine-tuned" too)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Aww come on, a non-stock 1.3l rotary can be fine-tuned to push 600+whp too, and your V8's got more than 4x the displacement. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'> My point was stock for stock, it's the american mind-set that "bigger always= better" that gets a little annoying. I just get the feeling that they've got something to prove!

I suppose that since they got their cars for the same price but theirs are at a quality level well below import standards (less kia/hyundai/daewoo for the time being -- and not to mention they're spending twice as much on gas) they have every right to be 'jealous' of us 'import' guys.

A domestic V8 may indeed be faster than most imports, but you can rest assured that I will never own one-- or at least until the cars are made to last and the engines are tuned like BMW V8s.

*Jeff240sx* · 10-30-2002, 12:04 AM

You guys.  We all need to stop argueing about $40k Corvette vs. $31k rx-7, and $25k or less cars.  Just take that $40k, or $31k or $25k and dump it under the hood of your 240sx.  Then see who's faster  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':devil:'>
-Jeff

AutoDestruct · 10-30-2002, 06:06 AM

Does anyone here even have 25K?  I sure as hell don't.  How about shit we can make thats fast as hell for 6K.  Like the Rx-7/350.  or our 240's.   I think were flying off topic.  Cheap is good, fast is good, performance is good.  Reason I got my 240's for 1000 a piece.  Same reason i want this RX hybrid.  

This whole domestic import thing is just a function of where the car is being imported or shipped from.  You know how much it would cost to get a built 350 in a legal F-body in Japan?  Probably as much as it costs to get a tuned Supra here.

AKADriver · 10-30-2002, 07:43 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (adey @ Oct. 29 2002,12:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If you want a light shell to put a big engine in to make a fast car, get a geo metro... or at least keep it in a domestic!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I don't agree with this at all.  Why not use the best chassis available?  If there's one thing the Japanese did well in the '80s and '90s, they built lots of lightweight RWD cars with excellent suspensions.

See, I'm not a drag racer.  I don't care about ETs.  If you only want to go fast in a straight line, sure, dump that 350 into an old Camaro or something and go run 12's.  I ask for a more well-rounded sports car, though.  I want to go 150+ down the back straight without having to putt-putt through the corners.  For this purpose there are few better places to put a V8 than an RX-7.  Like I detailed in my post above, a V8 RX-7 can be built to handle... in fact it's a waste of time to NOT build one to handle.

Building a V8 that really performs is not just redneck engineering, either.  It's less expensive but that doesn't make it any less impressive.

Kreator · 10-30-2002, 10:04 AM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (adey @ Oct. 29 2002,11:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LanceS13 @ Oct. 29 2002,1:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">...or make a 5.7L push out 600+hp (well, not stock...but a V8 can be "fine-tuned" too)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Aww come on, a non-stock 1.3l rotary can be fine-tuned to push 600+whp too, and your V8's got more than 4x the displacement. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'> My point was stock for stock, it's the american mind-set that "bigger always= better" that gets a little annoying. I just get the feeling that they've got something to prove!

I suppose that since they got their cars for the same price but theirs are at a quality level well below import standards (less kia/hyundai/daewoo for the time being -- and not to mention they're spending twice as much on gas) they have every right to be 'jealous' of us 'import' guys.

A domestic V8 may indeed be faster than most imports, but you can rest assured that I will never own one-- or at least until the cars are made to last and the engines are tuned like BMW V8s.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
oh, please. jealous? Not even close. They are constantly laughing at us for trying to make our wonnabe sports cars fast and assume we are the best now. Have you ever seen a sports magazine? Take summit. 80 pages of heads/blocks/pistons/rods for domestic cars. 10 pages of wings/lights/mirrors for sport compacts. Jealous.... right....

And cmon, you gonna be comparing a highly tuned turbo rotary engine to an n/a engine? Lofl, hell yeah it'd be much more efficient. But if you keep the rotary n/a it'll never hit 600whp. Or if you wonna turbocharge that v8 than the rotary would be out of competition. Have you seen the pick of the mustang putting 1500hp to the wheels with t-100 (may be wrong)? Lemme see an rx7 do that. At least compare engines in the same category. I'll give u an example: my friends 3000 dolar 355 is more efficient than my ka. And more efficient than n/a sr. And as efficient as supra's n/a engine.

Oh and the very popular thought of domestic cars being pieces of crap isn't completely right. The little plastic interior bs will start falling apart for sure. But the engine/tranny is quite strong.

Baka Sama · 10-30-2002, 12:28 PM

Well.... Let me just say that yeh domestics are and will be faster than imports per dollar. Not because domestics are almighty but because imports are just that....imports. Its always gonna cost more to import something of equal speed and performance than to just make it here. And that goes for parts too.

Now I wonder if you take the same amount of money you would spend on a stang' gt, convert it into yen and see what you can buy with it in Japan...  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'>

Baka Sama · 10-30-2002, 12:40 PM

As far as the V8 RX-7 goes. I'll try to post some pics when my bro. sends them to me. Right now he's in the middle of swaping the conv. top and replacing the hood to the turbo version hood with the scoupe in it. (The one on it now has a circle hole cut in it where the air filter sticks out. hehehe talk about American muscle )  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'>

AutoDestruct · 10-31-2002, 07:12 AM

Thanks. I really really want to see this thing. The best part about it is that its a convertible, and a V-8 Rx-7. If you know where to get the mounts or where to get info on where to weld mounts this could be a pretty viable option for me. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='

'>

I mean thats like a very cheap frame right now. A hardtop at least.
And the engine is in almost everything V-8 and chevy.

10-29-2002, 09:14 PM	#31
Tyler Durdan Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Don't mess with Texas Posts: 546 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Kreator...my point was so you would see that demostic are not ALWAYS faster than imports in a straight line. If you said something that hp/dollar demostic will always win, or for the money demostics are faster than imports in a straight line, then I would agree with you. But you didn't, you stated that they are always faster...I proved you wrong with the supra mustang comparison. You want equal price...here ya go: Cars at or under 25,000 (benchmark set by Mustang GT) (00)Camaro z-28.....13.3 qt. mile (00)Mustang GT......14.5 qt. mile (02)WRX sti............14.0 qt. mile (00)Integra Type R...14.5 qt. mile OR 99 C5 Corvette....13.0 qt. mile 40,000 brand new 95 RX7...............13.5 qt. mile 31,000 brand new Leaves 9 grand to make cars equal in price for the rx7...6 tenths of a second easily attained. On the 84 camaro z-28...I misread the 355 thinking you were talking about a 350 lt1 or ls1 or just a plain old chevy 350 short block. __________________ "Pure adrenaline attached to a license plate.  Isn't it time to experience one yourself?"                           -Dan Gurney Turbo for Sale

10-29-2002, 09:28 PM	#32
Kreator Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: MD Age: 37 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Well i thought it was assumed. I mean we could start comparing a geo metro and r34 if the pricing didn't matter. What i was talking about was that all in all if you take and build a v8 and take an import engine and turbo it, the v8 is gonna put out more. Plus if we are talking hardcore straight line, you'll rarely see v8s with less than 600 at the crank. And at that point import engines become much more expensive. __________________ кто болеет за Зенит, у того всегда стоит!

10-29-2002, 10:37 PM	#33
adey Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 3,061 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LanceS13 @ Oct. 29 2002,1:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">...or make a 5.7L push out 600+hp (well, not stock...but a V8 can be "fine-tuned" too)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Aww come on, a non-stock 1.3l rotary can be fine-tuned to push 600+whp too, and your V8's got more than 4x the displacement. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> My point was stock for stock, it's the american mind-set that "bigger always= better" that gets a little annoying. I just get the feeling that they've got something to prove! I suppose that since they got their cars for the same price but theirs are at a quality level well below import standards (less kia/hyundai/daewoo for the time being -- and not to mention they're spending twice as much on gas) they have every right to be 'jealous' of us 'import' guys. A domestic V8 may indeed be faster than most imports, but you can rest assured that I will never own one-- or at least until the cars are made to last and the engines are tuned like BMW V8s.

10-30-2002, 12:04 AM	#34
Jeff240sx I hate you too... Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tampa, FL Age: 38 Posts: 5,828 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Jeff240sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You guys.  We all need to stop argueing about $40k Corvette vs. $31k rx-7, and $25k or less cars.  Just take that $40k, or $31k or $25k and dump it under the hood of your 240sx.  Then see who's faster  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/devil.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':devil:'> -Jeff __________________ Whatup?

10-30-2002, 10:04 AM	#37
Kreator Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: MD Age: 37 Posts: 1,975 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (adey @ Oct. 29 2002,11:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (LanceS13 @ Oct. 29 2002,1:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">...or make a 5.7L push out 600+hp (well, not stock...but a V8 can be "fine-tuned" too)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> Aww come on, a non-stock 1.3l rotary can be fine-tuned to push 600+whp too, and your V8's got more than 4x the displacement. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> My point was stock for stock, it's the american mind-set that "bigger always= better" that gets a little annoying. I just get the feeling that they've got something to prove! I suppose that since they got their cars for the same price but theirs are at a quality level well below import standards (less kia/hyundai/daewoo for the time being -- and not to mention they're spending twice as much on gas) they have every right to be 'jealous' of us 'import' guys. A domestic V8 may indeed be faster than most imports, but you can rest assured that I will never own one-- or at least until the cars are made to last and the engines are tuned like BMW V8s.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> oh, please. jealous? Not even close. They are constantly laughing at us for trying to make our wonnabe sports cars fast and assume we are the best now. Have you ever seen a sports magazine? Take summit. 80 pages of heads/blocks/pistons/rods for domestic cars. 10 pages of wings/lights/mirrors for sport compacts. Jealous.... right.... And cmon, you gonna be comparing a highly tuned turbo rotary engine to an n/a engine? Lofl, hell yeah it'd be much more efficient. But if you keep the rotary n/a it'll never hit 600whp. Or if you wonna turbocharge that v8 than the rotary would be out of competition. Have you seen the pick of the mustang putting 1500hp to the wheels with t-100 (may be wrong)? Lemme see an rx7 do that. At least compare engines in the same category. I'll give u an example: my friends 3000 dolar 355 is more efficient than my ka. And more efficient than n/a sr. And as efficient as supra's n/a engine. Oh and the very popular thought of domestic cars being pieces of crap isn't completely right. The little plastic interior bs will start falling apart for sure. But the engine/tranny is quite strong. __________________ кто болеет за Зенит, у того всегда стоит!

10-30-2002, 06:06 AM	#35
AutoDestruct Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Burg, Harrisburg Posts: 437 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Does anyone here even have 25K?  I sure as hell don't.  How about shit we can make thats fast as hell for 6K.  Like the Rx-7/350.  or our 240's.   I think were flying off topic.  Cheap is good, fast is good, performance is good.  Reason I got my 240's for 1000 a piece.  Same reason i want this RX hybrid.   This whole domestic import thing is just a function of where the car is being imported or shipped from.  You know how much it would cost to get a built 350 in a legal F-body in Japan?  Probably as much as it costs to get a tuned Supra here.

10-30-2002, 07:43 AM	#36
AKADriver Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Springfield, VA Age: 39 Posts: 3,112 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (adey @ Oct. 29 2002,12:58)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If you want a light shell to put a big engine in to make a fast car, get a geo metro... or at least keep it in a domestic!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'> I don't agree with this at all.  Why not use the best chassis available?  If there's one thing the Japanese did well in the '80s and '90s, they built lots of lightweight RWD cars with excellent suspensions. See, I'm not a drag racer.  I don't care about ETs.  If you only want to go fast in a straight line, sure, dump that 350 into an old Camaro or something and go run 12's.  I ask for a more well-rounded sports car, though.  I want to go 150+ down the back straight without having to putt-putt through the corners.  For this purpose there are few better places to put a V8 than an RX-7.  Like I detailed in my post above, a V8 RX-7 can be built to handle... in fact it's a waste of time to NOT build one to handle. Building a V8 that really performs is not just redneck engineering, either.  It's less expensive but that doesn't make it any less impressive.

10-30-2002, 12:28 PM	#38
Baka Sama Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Metro Atlanta Age: 37 Posts: 1,130 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Well.... Let me just say that yeh domestics are and will be faster than imports per dollar. Not because domestics are almighty but because imports are just that....imports. Its always gonna cost more to import something of equal speed and performance than to just make it here. And that goes for parts too. Now I wonder if you take the same amount of money you would spend on a stang' gt, convert it into yen and see what you can buy with it in Japan...  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'>

10-30-2002, 12:40 PM	#39
Baka Sama Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Metro Atlanta Age: 37 Posts: 1,130 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	As far as the V8 RX-7 goes. I'll try to post some pics when my bro. sends them to me. Right now he's in the middle of swaping the conv. top and replacing the hood to the turbo version hood with the scoupe in it. (The one on it now has a circle hole cut in it where the air filter sticks out. hehehe talk about American muscle )  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''>

10-31-2002, 07:12 AM	#40
AutoDestruct Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Burg, Harrisburg Posts: 437 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Thanks. I really really want to see this thing. The best part about it is that its a convertible, and a V-8 Rx-7. If you know where to get the mounts or where to get info on where to weld mounts this could be a pretty viable option for me. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=''> I mean thats like a very cheap frame right now. A hardtop at least. And the engine is in almost everything V-8 and chevy.

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