SR240DET

LOL, interesting choice for your video. Pensacola is like an hour drive from where I live. I think I will check this place out tomorrow.

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/251866

fckillerbee

it's my favorite episode....just because they were able to chase this thing up the stairs.....still no proof though.

Razi

About fate,

Whenever something happens, and people want to believe in fate/destiny, they twist their reasoning around to make it seem that way.

If it's a bad experience, most people think "It must've been destiny for me to experience this so I can learn a lesson."
If it's a good experience, people can think "This path must have been meant for me since it was so lucky."

I think people look at the consequence, and call that fate.
Stuck in a loop that basically says "Something happens, therefore it's fate."


Same with a lot of religious people, including my close friend, who say "It was a test from God." If a baby dies or a family gets murdered or if anything horrible happens.
Then if something good happens "Oh, it was a blessing from God."
Another loop that basically means "Something happened, therefore a God exists."

Open your eyes and stop putting yourself in this pointless loops of childish, close minded ideas.

SR240DET

Like dividing by zero.

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alternate dimensions have always been a theory in physics...many topics in astro physics have not been proven, but neither have they been thrown out

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HalveBlue

@fckillerbee: Go read Descartes.

He authored Discourse on the Method, in which he touches on a lot of the issues you've brought up in your posts.

He's also the guy responsible for the Cartesian Coordinate System (x,y,z axes in mathematics).

Brilliant mind.

SR240DET

If he is everywhere all the time, why is he in all the other dimensions or just that one, except for yours? Is your god too good to live in a dimension he created for you?

By your logic, according to multiverse m-theory, your creator in its alternate dimension would have to have a creator, more powerful and complex then yours. Their creator would also have to have a creator more complex and powerful than that one etc. So, Who/what created your creator?

You brought up facts in the topic of physics, but you didn't provide any evidence for your argument.

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many things in science dont have evidence, its about bringing up theories/ideas and having them thrown out....evolution has ALOT of insufficient evidence, dont ask me what cuz im not gonna explain it all, just take physical anthropology at a cc..

like i said before there is no evidence to prove this it was an idea by several physicist..and i never stated that i believed in it so dont say "YOUR" god

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yeah people like this are ignorant and believe what they want to believe..

free will

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SR240DET

Ok, I see what is going on here. You are confusing theory with scientific theory. What you ended up doing was use the general term for theory, which is basically speculation, in place of a scientific theory, which is the careful examination of existing facts to explain things. The scientific theory of evolution has provided a reasonable analysis of facts that explain how organisms evolve overtime. With all the information gathered today, it’s impossible to ignore the scientific theory of evolution as anything other than fact, but only the ignorant will see otherwise.

I would like to know what exactly you think constitutes as insufficient evidence for evolution. I can see how pseudoscience such as creation science will think there is insufficient evidence. If you cant explain in your own words then you truly don't have an understanding of the subject, therefore, your reasoning is biased and your showing true ignorance.

Pactin

Once again, you cannot prove what you cannot test. Essentially we could test evolution via an experiment that lasted billions of years, but that's not really possible.

Fact of the matter is, there are still several holes in the evolution theory. We make educated assumptions that creature A could have possibly branched off of creature B, but we have no hard evidence that it happened. Science can come 99% of the way to proving something, benefit of the doubt, but that 1% is all it takes to discredit the theory.

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.....really?.....i guess evolution is complete right?.....

the ignorant sure as hell aint me

ok so there are 2 types of evolution- macroevolution and microevolution..ok..microevolution (variation) is real part, we can clearly see it every day, the color of birds, size of legs, etc...this is something even creationist can agree with because we see it in everyday life, but there are strict limitations that are never crossed...whenever the limitations are pushed beyond there limits by selective breeding (plants and animals) the line dies out or is sterile,one characteristic may increase, but others will diminish(example:donkey+horse=mule, cannot mate)..according to evolution changes continue, merging new creatures gradually together or apart..

so do big changes really happen?(macroevolution)..it took tens of thousands of years for our becoming correct? yet we do not see this problem in bacteria, who form new generations within 12 minutes..there are more bacteria on your body than there are on all the beaches in the world, it lives in just about any environment..i understand that bacteria is a single celled organism and all but what keeps us from costantly evolving? bacteria does it (Pulmonary tuberculosis)..according to evolution change is constant..

-what is the common ancestor between apes and humans?
we dont know..but supposedly its there...oh yea we need evidence right?

-what happened to Cro-Magnun?
supposedly they died off in the homo sapien subfamily..but wait, how did we interbreed? ex:horse and donkey

-what happened to Homo floresiensis?
we dont know..

-Ardipethicus Ramadus is suppose to be an ancestor, yet it looks nothing like the previous hominans

-Homo erectus had femurs that were the size of Shaqs, a 12yr old was averaging 6'1..yet we're getting shorter, why? availability to protien is better today than back then

-why are our heads getting bigger and our pelvises stay the same? according to evolution the mothers should have died at birth not allowing it to pass on its genes..

- we are the only hominan with a chin, yet it serves no purpose...

so basically overnight, literally, these changes occured..and i dont buy it,but like i said i dont lean entirely on the religious side eitherr because they too have their gaps...no matter what somehow we came from absolute nothingness

you cant make something out of nothing because nothing, really is just nothing, but even with nothing, there is always something-quote my philosophy professor Clayton Kradjon

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thank you

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SR240DET

Evolution is the observation of facts. You don't need a test that last a billion years if the evidence is already here. More recently, evolution has been observed in the lab and in the field on much smaller organisms.

The fossil records show evidence of organisms evolving. Genetic mutations occur over time, and natural selection picks the fittest mutation to ensure the survival of the organism. We have evidence for organisms evolving, whales with legs, hands, fingers, dinosaurs with feathers, teosinte etc.

Your "creature AB" scenario is flawed and doesn't show any evidence to discredit the theory. All it shows is your lack of understanding.

Pactin

Observation is the key word here, evolution is based off of the facts. We observe that bats, whales, humans, etc have analogous body parts, this is an observation. To say that they had a common ancestor, however, is a theory.
Evidence....that we still can't seem to piece together, at least not entirely. I merely threw in that "test" scenario because ultimately, that's the only way we will know (unless Jesus comes back before that or something).
Now we're talkin'. Yes, selection of the fittest makes perfect sense, I have no arguments there. It is somewhat like (pure) capitalism- the weaker businesses fade out while the better businesses survive to "pass on" their legacy. When you say "whales with legs" I'm assuming you mean a different species. We have no proof that whales come from them! We can only infer that because they had similar structure of bones, very similar DNA, etc that they must have been their ancestors.
Whoa, I am not trying to discredit the theory. I am just saying that we make these inferences that A came from B, where logically, we cannot be 100% sure. 80%, 99%, 99.99999999%, but never totally sure. I never said evolution doesn't exist, or God shall smite you for the evil you have brought upon this damned forum in the form of this discussion on evolution. I'm just trying to convey the fact that THERE ARE holes in the theory.

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and these are jut a few of the many holes within this THEORY

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SR240DET

The truth is more appealing than intellectual dishonesty. Scientist nor I have never claimed it to be complete, but it provides a hell of a lot more evidence than creation science.

Negative, microevolution and macroevolution both happen the same way for the same reason. There is no reason to differentiate them. You except microevolution, therefore, you except macroevolution.

Plenty of transitional fossils to support the evidence.




Cro-magnun is a out dated, non relating word for something I think your suggesting. Be more specific.

What do you mean what happen?

Ardipithecus ramidusis a hominid.

5'10" is the average height. That one may have been a result of genetic mutation in a bad way. Resulting in a early death at the age of twelve. Sort of like Gigantism.



nor does it have any adverse effects.

Nothing in evolutionary theory suggest this happen over night.

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if you look at the pictures you will see dark brown and blue fillings those are sections of the skull that scientist think it MAY have looked like..alot of species were only discovered through postcranial remains and were basically thought up..i dont remember which species it was but all that was found was an endocast, thumb, and an m3 molar fossil..it was declared a species

macro isnt as evident as micro evolution..as i just partially presented



you should stop using google and read a book..homo erectus wa in fact big ass creatures

cro magnun was a species...dated 200,000bp to 50,000bp? according to geology and anthropologist they just suddenly disappeared in europe

ardipithecus was a hominid but NOT a hominan..the subgroupings is pretty confusing

and the chin is showing you how we just obtained it for no specific purpose...evolution favors attributes to survive

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Ok Pactin, I retract my previous statment about your understanding. My main point is evolution has more evidence than theology.

TURBOMAN

This explain some of it.

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i havent seen it haha

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SR240DET

Going by memory, I haven't touched on this subject since freshman year high school nearly ten years ago. I'm certain my memory and information is a bit "dated."

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yeah i know what you mean, i just took this course so i'm pretty up to date..this information can change literally over night
ardy was discovered less than a year ago and it completely altered the order

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Pactin

No worries, internet debates get hectic. Yes you're right, evolution has more tangible evidence than theology.

RacerX1

WE cannot fathom why or how God created us, assuming that you beleive this, that is why God is God and we are who we are.

How boring would life be if we couldnt make decisions on our own? That is probably why God made us the way he [just using a general pronoun] did, to see how we would act and what decisions we would make.

In my opinion we should all live our lives to the fullest like each day is our last, and to me living my life to the fullest includes helping others and doing good things. Not to gain access to heaven but just to good for another human being.

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fckillerbee

Homo floresiensis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

for those lazy people. Honestly, I think all these types of humans lived at once...and it was survival of the fittest as to how they were extinct. We have still a lot of information to find out about ourselves that we really don't know much about. I've been on this pyramid tangent for a long time....i wont get zilvia involved...yet lol.

fckillerbee

You cannot fathom.....I understand that anything is possible. Literally.

zeitgeist

One question that I have wondered is how could something as complex as a seed or organism be created by a large explosion aka the big bang? Maybe someone can shed some light on this for me

SR240DET

There is not supporting evidence to say we know for sure how it happend, so in the mean time read up on abiogenesis and cosmology.

Pactin

Been a long time, but HS biology taught me that these molecules (organic molecules or something like that) formed which allowed organelles to behave the way they do in a cell. Elements >organic molecules >cells >multicelled organisms.

Still amazing how these elements and energy combine to construct consciousness and "higher thinking".