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*exitspeed* · 06-28-2005, 09:17 AM

Well I bought a pre 95 J30 LSD with halfshafts from a memer on here and finally got around to installing it last night. Before I installed it I wanted to make sure I had all bases covered and I asked alotta questions on here and I even posted pics of it here to make sure it was the right LSD. Well here's what I ran into last night installing it. I do have the halfshafs BTW.

1. The LSD itself is ATLEAST 1.5" to long. Meaning the driveshaft would have to be shortened.

2. The rear mounting points are completly different. The stock open diff has for this LSD has 2 that are HUGE. The size of them is not the problem(I could drill it out) but the spacing between them is also off.

3. The front 2 mounting points are ALSO spaced too far apart to work(a good half inch)

4. There is a tube at the top of the LSD that I assumed my open diff would have but doesn't and there is also some sort of sensor wire thing coming off of the front behind the front mounting points.

Here is the link of my previous post with pics that I took of the LSD. I really need some help here

I don't wanna totolly loose my ass on this. And I really need LSD. Any advice guys would help.
http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.p...ht=confirm+lsd

Thanx
Mel

projectRDM · 06-28-2005, 09:39 AM

1) Of course it's longer, the snout has to make room for the ABS sensor, though it's not 1.5". Closer to an inch, and there's room in the drivetrain for it. 99% of people can get it in without issue, you may need to loosen the motor and transmission mounts as a last resort, but it's rare.

2) Should be exactly the same. All 93-97 J30 diffs as well as 90-96 Z32s ans the S14 use the same rear cover design, two studs going into bushings pressed in the subframe.

3) Do you have the J30's bushings, washers, and hardware? You'll need it all for a proper install. Sounds like they're missing.

4) All diffs have the vent tube up top, if yours does not have it then someone before you removed it. No reason why, but you don't have to use the exisitng one, the J30 diff has it so use it.
The sensor is the ABS sensor, you don't need it unless you have ABS. You knew that, it's beeen discussed so many times it should be law by now.

*exitspeed* · 06-28-2005, 09:45 AM

1. Ok so I should be able to fit the extra length then?

2. Yes there was 2, but they were spaced different then were it mounts to on the car. Do I need to swap the cover from my open diff?

3. I don't have the bushings. On http://www.ka24development.com/vlsd.html it says the buchings arn't neccessary if I ge the longer blots and the bigger washers, which I DO have.

4. The vent tube it there, thats all good. Sorry, I really wasn't aware of the ABS sensor issue.

TheSparo · 06-28-2005, 10:04 AM

ok, regarding your #2 question, click on the link and read the first post under yours, by me...

*exitspeed* · 06-28-2005, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheSparo

ok, regarding your #2 question, click on the link and read the first post under yours, by me...

So i do need to swap the diff covers then. And it all fits and everything? How did you accomidate for the extra length of the diff?

g2ic02 · 06-28-2005, 10:41 AM

there should be enough play in the drive shaft....I read that somewhere.

TheSparo · 06-28-2005, 11:34 AM

yea there is, if it fits in there it will be fine, it doen't need to be loose, it may be a little difficult, but it will be fine. if the bolts work then put them in

Wei240 · 06-28-2005, 11:48 AM

yeah, all you need is the 6 bolt outer flange and 2 longer bolts for the rear, as well as swap covers, pretty straight forward

cheap plug
http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.p...188#post754188
and yes, it's direct bolt on, comes w/ 6 bolt outer flange and i'll throw in the 2 longer bolts... it even has the rear cover for the s13...

*exitspeed* · 06-28-2005, 12:43 PM

Now I just need to clerify one more thing. When we say "swap the diff cover" are we talking about the rear portion of the differential or the whole outter housing? I'm assuming we mean the whole outter housing. Because if not then there is still the problem of the front 2 moutning pounts being too far apart.

SirWarrior · 06-28-2005, 12:51 PM

you can swap all the guts if you want to. they will fit.
But he meant just the rear cover.

*exitspeed* · 06-28-2005, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirWarrior

you can swap all the guts if you want to. they will fit.
But he meant just the rear cover.

Well like I said. If I do not swap all the guts and just the rear cover the front mounting holes don't line up.

But the guts WILL fit, huh?

Wei240 · 06-28-2005, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Now I just need to clerify one more thing. When we say "swap the diff cover" are we talking about the rear portion of the differential or the whole outter housing? I'm assuming we mean the whole outter housing. Because if not then there is still the problem of the front 2 moutning pounts being too far apart.

it's the rear cover, as in rear portion of the cover, why would you change the whole housing? it's more work than you would want... for that amt of work, buy a clutch/mech diff...
what 2 mounting points are you referring to?
the only thing that doesn't fit is the rear cover as mentioned (and the 6 bolt outer flange), then it's all gravy...

another shameless plug:
man, junk what you have and just buy mine

it's plug and play, has rear cover, 6 bolt outer flange and the 2 longer bolts req'd...

*exitspeed* · 06-28-2005, 03:56 PM

I'm talking about these mouting points. I measured them and they seemed off too.

projectRDM · 06-28-2005, 04:07 PM

I put a 93 J30 diff and axles into a 98 today, direct fit. Sounds like you're putting this into an S13, are you? Otherwise it is a direct bolt in without any other work, that's the 9th or 10th one I've done recently. There really shouldn't be any issues.

Wei240 · 06-28-2005, 04:16 PM

yeah, the 2 bolts for mine fit in perfectly, no issues...
from a 96 j30 (w/abs) to s13 (no abs)

*exitspeed* · 06-28-2005, 05:36 PM

Ok yea guys let me be more clear on this and maybe we're missing something.

I have a 1990 S13 hatch and trying to install a pre 95 J30 LSD and having the issues listed above. What's differerent?

Wei240 · 06-28-2005, 05:54 PM

dunno where you're going wrong, as far as i know,
all j30's (i think) would bolt on to s13, you'll just need:
1. 6 bolt outer flange (if it does not already have - such as the 96)
2. 2 longer bolts for that 2 hole that you've already pointed out with the red arrow
3. rear cover needs to be swapped out (j30 will not fit, just swap the one on your open diff, on your pic, its the cover towards the top of your picture, it has 4 bolts sticking out that bolts on to the car/subframe, the cover itself has like 8-10 smaller bolts...

*exitspeed* · 06-28-2005, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wei240

dunno where you're going wrong, as far as i know,
all j30's (i think) would bolt on to s13, you'll just need:
1. 6 bolt outer flange (if it does not already have - such as the 96)
2. 2 longer bolts for that 2 hole that you've already pointed out with the red arrow
3. rear cover needs to be swapped out (j30 will not fit, just swap the one on your open diff, on your pic, its the cover towards the top of your picture, it has 4 bolts sticking out that bolts on to the car/subframe, the cover itself has like 8-10 smaller bolts...

Ok, MAYBE we measured wrong, but the guy I was working on it with is sure(I was there with him and we did measure carefully) that the points on the J30 LSD are a lil bit wider then the stock open diff. I have the 5 star outputshafts becasue again this is a pre-95 J30 LSD.

projectRDM · 06-28-2005, 06:56 PM

The front portion of the diff is the EXACT same for all S13/S14/S15/J30/Z32NA.

That's not an issue.

*exitspeed* · 06-29-2005, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R240NA

The front portion of the diff is the EXACT same for all S13/S14/S15/J30/Z32NA.

That's not an issue.

Ok I guess I'll remeasure to make sure. Like I said the guy that I was working on it with(which is were I work on my car at) is convinced that they are different. And he's also still convinced that there isn't enough play in my driveshaft.

SirWarrior · 06-29-2005, 09:35 AM

Stop listening to him.
Just swap covers and show him that he's full of it!

*exitspeed* · 06-29-2005, 10:02 AM

Ok I'm going to do it at another guys house who's allready did an LSD swap and an SR swap himself. So jopefully it works out then.

wutangben · 06-29-2005, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by exitspeed

Ok I guess I'll remeasure to make sure. Like I said the guy that I was working on it with(which is were I work on my car at) is convinced that they are different. And he's also still convinced that there isn't enough play in my driveshaft.

the guy's an idiot, you'll be fine... just do it.

06-28-2005, 09:17 AM	#1
exitspeed aWingThing.com Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 41 Posts: 20,898 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Serious problems while installing J30 LSD. NEED HELP AND ADVICE Well I bought a pre 95 J30 LSD with halfshafts from a memer on here and finally got around to installing it last night. Before I installed it I wanted to make sure I had all bases covered and I asked alotta questions on here and I even posted pics of it here to make sure it was the right LSD. Well here's what I ran into last night installing it. I do have the halfshafs BTW. 1. The LSD itself is ATLEAST 1.5" to long. Meaning the driveshaft would have to be shortened. 2. The rear mounting points are completly different. The stock open diff has for this LSD has 2 that are HUGE. The size of them is not the problem(I could drill it out) but the spacing between them is also off. 3. The front 2 mounting points are ALSO spaced too far apart to work(a good half inch) 4. There is a tube at the top of the LSD that I assumed my open diff would have but doesn't and there is also some sort of sensor wire thing coming off of the front behind the front mounting points. Here is the link of my previous post with pics that I took of the LSD. I really need some help here I don't wanna totolly loose my ass on this. And I really need LSD. Any advice guys would help. http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.p...ht=confirm+lsd Thanx Mel __________________ What I do for a living...www.mhrussell.com

06-28-2005, 09:45 AM	#3
exitspeed aWingThing.com Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 41 Posts: 20,898 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	1. Ok so I should be able to fit the extra length then? 2. Yes there was 2, but they were spaced different then were it mounts to on the car. Do I need to swap the cover from my open diff? 3. I don't have the bushings. On http://www.ka24development.com/vlsd.html it says the buchings arn't neccessary if I ge the longer blots and the bigger washers, which I DO have. 4. The vent tube it there, thats all good. Sorry, I really wasn't aware of the ABS sensor issue. __________________ What I do for a living...www.mhrussell.com

06-28-2005, 10:04 AM	#4
TheSparo Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Athens/Chattanooga/ Cookeville/Morristown, TN Age: 36 Posts: 1,141 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ok, regarding your #2 question, click on the link and read the first post under yours, by me... __________________ 89 240 SR powered... ummm i promise its stock

06-28-2005, 11:34 AM	#7
TheSparo Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Athens/Chattanooga/ Cookeville/Morristown, TN Age: 36 Posts: 1,141 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yea there is, if it fits in there it will be fine, it doen't need to be loose, it may be a little difficult, but it will be fine. if the bolts work then put them in __________________ 89 240 SR powered... ummm i promise its stock

06-28-2005, 12:43 PM	#9
exitspeed aWingThing.com Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 41 Posts: 20,898 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Now I just need to clerify one more thing. When we say "swap the diff cover" are we talking about the rear portion of the differential or the whole outter housing? I'm assuming we mean the whole outter housing. Because if not then there is still the problem of the front 2 moutning pounts being too far apart. __________________ What I do for a living...www.mhrussell.com

06-28-2005, 09:39 AM	#2
projectRDM Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta Age: 47 Posts: 13,812 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	1) Of course it's longer, the snout has to make room for the ABS sensor, though it's not 1.5". Closer to an inch, and there's room in the drivetrain for it. 99% of people can get it in without issue, you may need to loosen the motor and transmission mounts as a last resort, but it's rare. 2) Should be exactly the same. All 93-97 J30 diffs as well as 90-96 Z32s ans the S14 use the same rear cover design, two studs going into bushings pressed in the subframe. 3) Do you have the J30's bushings, washers, and hardware? You'll need it all for a proper install. Sounds like they're missing. 4) All diffs have the vent tube up top, if yours does not have it then someone before you removed it. No reason why, but you don't have to use the exisitng one, the J30 diff has it so use it. The sensor is the ABS sensor, you don't need it unless you have ABS. You knew that, it's beeen discussed so many times it should be law by now. __________________ FORMERLY R240NA Learn what's really going on and protect your assets now before they're gone forever: www.paypalsucks.com

06-28-2005, 10:41 AM	#6
g2ic02 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: minnesota Posts: 480 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	there should be enough play in the drive shaft....I read that somewhere.

06-28-2005, 11:48 AM	#8
Wei240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: socal Posts: 1,778 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yeah, all you need is the 6 bolt outer flange and 2 longer bolts for the rear, as well as swap covers, pretty straight forward cheap plug http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.p...188#post754188 and yes, it's direct bolt on, comes w/ 6 bolt outer flange and i'll throw in the 2 longer bolts... it even has the rear cover for the s13...

06-28-2005, 12:51 PM	#10
SirWarrior Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2004 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 762 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	you can swap all the guts if you want to. they will fit. But he meant just the rear cover. __________________ 92 FastBack - Project 98 SE - Daily Driver

06-28-2005, 03:56 PM	#13
exitspeed aWingThing.com Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 41 Posts: 20,898 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I'm talking about these mouting points. I measured them and they seemed off too. __________________ What I do for a living...www.mhrussell.com

06-28-2005, 04:07 PM	#14
projectRDM Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta Age: 47 Posts: 13,812 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	I put a 93 J30 diff and axles into a 98 today, direct fit. Sounds like you're putting this into an S13, are you? Otherwise it is a direct bolt in without any other work, that's the 9th or 10th one I've done recently. There really shouldn't be any issues. __________________ FORMERLY R240NA Learn what's really going on and protect your assets now before they're gone forever: www.paypalsucks.com

06-28-2005, 04:16 PM	#15
Wei240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: socal Posts: 1,778 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yeah, the 2 bolts for mine fit in perfectly, no issues... from a 96 j30 (w/abs) to s13 (no abs)

06-28-2005, 05:36 PM	#16
exitspeed aWingThing.com Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 41 Posts: 20,898 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Ok yea guys let me be more clear on this and maybe we're missing something. I have a 1990 S13 hatch and trying to install a pre 95 J30 LSD and having the issues listed above. What's differerent? __________________ What I do for a living...www.mhrussell.com

06-28-2005, 05:54 PM	#17
Wei240 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: socal Posts: 1,778 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	dunno where you're going wrong, as far as i know, all j30's (i think) would bolt on to s13, you'll just need: 1. 6 bolt outer flange (if it does not already have - such as the 96) 2. 2 longer bolts for that 2 hole that you've already pointed out with the red arrow 3. rear cover needs to be swapped out (j30 will not fit, just swap the one on your open diff, on your pic, its the cover towards the top of your picture, it has 4 bolts sticking out that bolts on to the car/subframe, the cover itself has like 8-10 smaller bolts...

06-28-2005, 06:56 PM	#19
projectRDM Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta Age: 47 Posts: 13,812 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	The front portion of the diff is the EXACT same for all S13/S14/S15/J30/Z32NA. That's not an issue. __________________ FORMERLY R240NA Learn what's really going on and protect your assets now before they're gone forever: www.paypalsucks.com

06-29-2005, 09:35 AM	#21
SirWarrior Zilvia Addict Join Date: May 2004 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 762 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Stop listening to him. Just swap covers and show him that he's full of it! __________________ 92 FastBack - Project 98 SE - Daily Driver

06-29-2005, 10:02 AM	#22
exitspeed aWingThing.com Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 41 Posts: 20,898 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Ok I'm going to do it at another guys house who's allready did an LSD swap and an SR swap himself. So jopefully it works out then. __________________ What I do for a living...www.mhrussell.com

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