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S13_Project · 03-22-2006, 02:31 PM

I would really like to see some replicas meshies. with some nice sizes like 16X8 and 9" with 0 offset! *DROoL*

HootAuto · 03-22-2006, 03:09 PM

Exitspeed, I have no clue on the price right now, but good suggestion...I am going to call a few companies tomorrow, design something, and find out what they are going to charge....if they can do it.

This thread was just to see if there is any interest, apparently there is!!

*exitspeed* · 03-22-2006, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HootAuto

Exitspeed, I have no clue on the price right now, but good suggestion...I am going to call a few companies tomorrow, design something, and find out what they are going to charge....if they can do it.

This thread was just to see if there is any interest, apparently there is!!

That's like asking Rosanne if she's hungry!

HootAuto · 03-22-2006, 06:39 PM

I know....it's a tease....I'm workin on something right now, but it's gonna take a while...I need to get an engineer to design them, find a company to manufacture, make a few "test subjects" and then try to sell them.

Like I said, this is a thread to guage the interest for this market, so I'm DEFINATELY going to do this!

If you have any ideas or know any engineers/manufacturers that could help me out, pm or email me!!!

HootAuto · 03-22-2006, 10:25 PM

What would you guys be willing to pay for rims like this? Given the weight, size, offset and specs are met, just so I know what I can afford to pay someone to make them...

EchoOfSilence · 03-22-2006, 11:13 PM

how many times must we say yes?

kazuo · 03-23-2006, 12:06 AM

I would say relative to what stuff like MB, FN01RC, etc etc etc costs.

No meshies.... waste of time IMO. Buy SSRs if you want them that bad.

ramblux · 03-23-2006, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HootAuto

Either way, you guys know anyone with some manufacturing equipment so I can start making this stuff? They will probably be made to order to start, but still not expensive....

How can you guarantee that these wheels will not be expensive when:

1) You don't know anyone with equipment
2) If you don't know anyone with equipment, how will YOU make them?
3) You don't have a design yet.
4) Made to order does not = cheap. EVER.
5) I would assume that you want in on the profit? That would only add to the price.

Just wondering. I've seen many people attempt something like this before, and it hasn't happened yet.

I can get forged one-off wheels made, but they're about $1,400/set + for 15x8.

musikjunkie · 03-23-2006, 01:13 AM

yea kazuo is right about the meshes . there is to many meshes out there and played out

HootAuto · 03-23-2006, 08:08 AM

ramblux, if I was actually making rims, this thread would be in the for sale section. I put it here to see if people would be interested in them. You know, market research...

As far as a business perspective goes, of course I want a profit, if I didn't, I would give them away. I look at it like this, I find someone to design it, someone to make it (may have found someone as of today btw) and then try it. I will probably lose money on the first 20 sets or even more. In the end though, I would like to think the market is big enough to make something out of this....

*exitspeed* · 03-23-2006, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HootAuto

What would you guys be willing to pay for rims like this? Given the weight, size, offset and specs are met, just so I know what I can afford to pay someone to make them...

One other thing you have to think about is are you going to be able to make these multi piece wheels. Most of these old school wheels I believe are multi piese and may look too knock-offish if they are just cast. Like the Advan SA3A knockoffs that konig(I think thats who it is). Those just look terrible. The Rewinds are not too bad. I think if they are cast just stay away from the bolt pattern design. That makes them look really bad if they are not multi piece.

To answer your questions about pric it would depend on the size. If say 15's then the $500 range would be good. But the larger sizes I would say around FN's price would be ideal.

HootAuto · 03-23-2006, 08:39 AM

I'm definately lookin into it and may have found someone to manufacture, but I am pretty sure $500 for a set of 15"s sounds too cheap right now, can't be sure though, definately not too much more than that.

Also about the multi peice, That's why I need an engineer/someone who is already making multi peice rims so I don't make them too weak. Either way, I'm gonna look into it and see what it's gonna take so don't hate on me for not having any clue right now!!!!!!!! jk, I'm goin as fast as I can, I want a set too OK!!

nismeaux · 03-23-2006, 09:07 AM

If you want to go 2 piece, the thing to do might be to find an off-the-shelf rim part. I'd think these would be largely the same between a lot of 2-piece wheels. Just find someone who is willing to sell you one they are already making for their own/another company's wheels. Then design the center section which would presumably be unique to your wheels, and you have a casting that is a lot smaller than an entire wheel, and therefore a lot cheaper to manufacture in terms of the cost of an individual unit, as well as start-up costs (tooling, etc). Have the casting machined to fit the rim part, as well as machining the center bore and bolt holes, put it together, and you've got a wheel

HootAuto · 03-24-2006, 09:49 AM

OK I found a company to design/engineer a set of MKII with 16x8 with +10 offset as my prototype. I'm gonna get them within 2 months and try em out. If everything goes according to plan, these will be the first "round" of rims made in this same size with a +20 offset option. Don't hold your breath for them though, it's gonna take a while.

*exitspeed* · 03-24-2006, 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HootAuto

OK I found a company to design/engineer a set of MKII with 16x8 with +10 offset as my prototype. I'm gonna get them within 2 months and try em out. If everything goes according to plan, these will be the first "round" of rims made in this same size with a +20 offset option. Don't hold your breath for them though, it's gonna take a while.

SWEET

If this can get all squared sometime after July...I'M IN!

HootAuto · 04-13-2006, 09:10 AM

Guys, I need the hub diameter, what it will take to clear the Z32 brake calipers and so forth so I can get a quote to engineer these rims!!!!! First on the agenda will be the MKII rims, who wants a set!!!!!!??????? I need these dimensions first please.......4 lugs comin up!

REDSH!FT · 04-13-2006, 11:05 AM

er...4x114.3 is what you're lookin for

brake clearance is dependant on both offset and spoke design...you'll really just need to measure and try it out. Just look around at cars w/ z-brakes and measure the wheel/brake clearance, hub/spoke clearance and start doing some math on it

*exitspeed* · 04-13-2006, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HootAuto

Guys, I need the hub diameter, what it will take to clear the Z32 brake calipers and so forth so I can get a quote to engineer these rims!!!!! First on the agenda will be the MKII rims, who wants a set!!!!!!??????? I need these dimensions first please.......4 lugs comin up!

I don't think the MKII spoke design would clear z brakes unless they were concave. If they are flat like the OG one's they won't clear.

lilredstiffy · 04-13-2006, 11:18 AM

"I don't know anything about making wheels or hell even what lug pattern a 240sx is but will you guys buy ugly probably unsafe knockoffs of 15 year old wheels if i got them made?!"

and 2 months later
"Sorry guys it looks like its going to be a little more than I thought, closer to 800-1000 for a set of 15x8/16x8, if you are still interested PM me!"

thejapino · 04-13-2006, 02:40 PM

here is a link to some nice old school wheels:

http://club4ag.com/faq%20and%20tech_...el%20Guide.htm

kazuo · 04-14-2006, 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HootAuto

Guys, I need the hub diameter

66.1mm

Quote:

what it will take to clear the Z32 brake calipers

They won't, so forget about it.

Bolt pattern is 4x114.3mm

Make us our rims.

chmercer · 04-14-2006, 12:52 AM

why wouldnt they clear z32s. if you are making custom rims then just make the back pad however thick you want to clear z32 calipers.

ps these will never get made ever

HootAuto · 04-14-2006, 01:38 PM

lilred, I am actually talkin to a firm in Bakersfield that does Aerospace engineering for the Government and the guy managing my account has an American Lemans race engineering background so they will be safe. btw, I actually do expect the price to be about what you said but for larger sizes....and yes I already knew the bolt pattern but thanks!

Also, I don't think I'm going to make them to clear the Z brakes, but I will try...

DoriftoSlut · 04-14-2006, 02:31 PM

How about not copying anything, and making your own designs?

Case in point: I made these for my Lotus last term... Lotus has always had rims that were either 4 or 8 spoke. Old lotus F1 cars were almost all 4 spoke. 4 Spoke rims are wicked old skool.

Here's what I did, influenced by 4 spoke Equip 01s, Old Ferrari 5 spokes, Lotus 4 spoke F1 rims, etc. But i didn't copy anything, and IMO still retains the new-but-old-skool look.

I know the cost of manufacturing etc was not factored into my design, but i think my point still stands...

That being said... want to hire me to do an old-skool feeling wheel for ya? I can build it in either Alias Studiotools or Solidworks, whatever is the easiest for final production output...

musikjunkie · 04-14-2006, 06:04 PM

if you are still taking suggestions i say make some old school hoshinos and longchamps

EchoOfSilence · 04-14-2006, 08:45 PM

I say hire DoriftoSlut. those rims + stepped lip = hotness.

someguy_240 · 04-14-2006, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EchoOfSilence

I say hire DoriftoSlut. those rims + stepped lip = hotness.

+1 what he said

DRIFTER-M · 04-16-2006, 10:08 AM

17x9 4 and 5 lug.

Cheap 17 inch meshes, they would be hot. Or old school advans, but if you can make 16-17inch, and nice and wide. They would prob sell really good.

**ThatGuy** · 04-16-2006, 10:14 AM

"Just say no to Knock-Offs"

Original designs or nothing.

**Phlip** · 04-16-2006, 10:34 AM

I agree with those guys, I would rather see an original design of an old-school LOOKING wheel than to see an overpriced copy of wheels we have seen before.

03-22-2006, 02:31 PM	#31
S13_Project Leaky Injector Join Date: May 2005 Location: Garland,Texas Posts: 64 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I would really like to see some replicas meshies. with some nice sizes like 16X8 and 9" with 0 offset! DROoL __________________

03-22-2006, 03:09 PM	#32
HootAuto Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 101 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Exitspeed, I have no clue on the price right now, but good suggestion...I am going to call a few companies tomorrow, design something, and find out what they are going to charge....if they can do it. This thread was just to see if there is any interest, apparently there is!! __________________ Hoot Automotive Technologies www.hootauto.com 703.509.2242 Check out my Group Buys and Specials! http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=103985 http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=103935

03-22-2006, 06:39 PM	#34
HootAuto Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 101 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I know....it's a tease....I'm workin on something right now, but it's gonna take a while...I need to get an engineer to design them, find a company to manufacture, make a few "test subjects" and then try to sell them. Like I said, this is a thread to guage the interest for this market, so I'm DEFINATELY going to do this! If you have any ideas or know any engineers/manufacturers that could help me out, pm or email me!!! __________________ Hoot Automotive Technologies www.hootauto.com 703.509.2242 Check out my Group Buys and Specials! http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=103985 http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=103935

03-22-2006, 10:25 PM	#35
HootAuto Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 101 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	What would you guys be willing to pay for rims like this? Given the weight, size, offset and specs are met, just so I know what I can afford to pay someone to make them... __________________ Hoot Automotive Technologies www.hootauto.com 703.509.2242 Check out my Group Buys and Specials! http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=103985 http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=103935

03-22-2006, 11:13 PM	#36
EchoOfSilence Nissanaholic! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Los Angeles/Berkeley, CA Posts: 2,238 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	how many times must we say yes? __________________ Petition Nissan to Make the IDx on http://IDxClub.co !

03-23-2006, 12:06 AM	#37
kazuo Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Posts: 2,762 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I would say relative to what stuff like MB, FN01RC, etc etc etc costs. No meshies.... waste of time IMO. Buy SSRs if you want them that bad.

03-23-2006, 01:13 AM	#39
musikjunkie Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: los angeles Posts: 437 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	yea kazuo is right about the meshes . there is to many meshes out there and played out

03-23-2006, 08:08 AM	#40
HootAuto Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 101 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ramblux, if I was actually making rims, this thread would be in the for sale section. I put it here to see if people would be interested in them. You know, market research... As far as a business perspective goes, of course I want a profit, if I didn't, I would give them away. I look at it like this, I find someone to design it, someone to make it (may have found someone as of today btw) and then try it. I will probably lose money on the first 20 sets or even more. In the end though, I would like to think the market is big enough to make something out of this.... __________________ Hoot Automotive Technologies www.hootauto.com 703.509.2242 Check out my Group Buys and Specials! http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=103985 http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=103935

03-23-2006, 08:39 AM	#42
HootAuto Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 101 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'm definately lookin into it and may have found someone to manufacture, but I am pretty sure $500 for a set of 15"s sounds too cheap right now, can't be sure though, definately not too much more than that. Also about the multi peice, That's why I need an engineer/someone who is already making multi peice rims so I don't make them too weak. Either way, I'm gonna look into it and see what it's gonna take so don't hate on me for not having any clue right now!!!!!!!! jk, I'm goin as fast as I can, I want a set too OK!! __________________ Hoot Automotive Technologies www.hootauto.com 703.509.2242 Check out my Group Buys and Specials! http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=103985 http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=103935

03-23-2006, 09:07 AM	#43
nismeaux Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: raleigh nc Posts: 27 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	If you want to go 2 piece, the thing to do might be to find an off-the-shelf rim part. I'd think these would be largely the same between a lot of 2-piece wheels. Just find someone who is willing to sell you one they are already making for their own/another company's wheels. Then design the center section which would presumably be unique to your wheels, and you have a casting that is a lot smaller than an entire wheel, and therefore a lot cheaper to manufacture in terms of the cost of an individual unit, as well as start-up costs (tooling, etc). Have the casting machined to fit the rim part, as well as machining the center bore and bolt holes, put it together, and you've got a wheel

03-24-2006, 09:49 AM	#44
HootAuto Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 101 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	OK I found a company to design/engineer a set of MKII with 16x8 with +10 offset as my prototype. I'm gonna get them within 2 months and try em out. If everything goes according to plan, these will be the first "round" of rims made in this same size with a +20 offset option. Don't hold your breath for them though, it's gonna take a while. __________________ Hoot Automotive Technologies www.hootauto.com 703.509.2242 Check out my Group Buys and Specials! http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=103985 http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=103935

04-13-2006, 09:10 AM	#46
HootAuto Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 101 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Guys, I need the hub diameter, what it will take to clear the Z32 brake calipers and so forth so I can get a quote to engineer these rims!!!!! First on the agenda will be the MKII rims, who wants a set!!!!!!??????? I need these dimensions first please.......4 lugs comin up! __________________ Hoot Automotive Technologies www.hootauto.com 703.509.2242 Check out my Group Buys and Specials! http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=103985 http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=103935

04-13-2006, 11:05 AM	#47
REDSH!FT Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Fairfax County VA Posts: 376 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	er...4x114.3 is what you're lookin for brake clearance is dependant on both offset and spoke design...you'll really just need to measure and try it out. Just look around at cars w/ z-brakes and measure the wheel/brake clearance, hub/spoke clearance and start doing some math on it

04-13-2006, 11:18 AM	#49
lilredstiffy Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: louisiana Posts: 618 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	"I don't know anything about making wheels or hell even what lug pattern a 240sx is but will you guys buy ugly probably unsafe knockoffs of 15 year old wheels if i got them made?!" and 2 months later "Sorry guys it looks like its going to be a little more than I thought, closer to 800-1000 for a set of 15x8/16x8, if you are still interested PM me!"

04-13-2006, 02:40 PM	#50
thejapino Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The City By The Water - YEEE! Posts: 605 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	here is a link to some nice old school wheels: http://club4ag.com/faq%20and%20tech_...el%20Guide.htm

04-14-2006, 12:52 AM	#52
chmercer BANNED Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: texas! Age: 35 Posts: 3,288 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	why wouldnt they clear z32s. if you are making custom rims then just make the back pad however thick you want to clear z32 calipers. ps these will never get made ever

04-14-2006, 01:38 PM	#53
HootAuto Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 101 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	lilred, I am actually talkin to a firm in Bakersfield that does Aerospace engineering for the Government and the guy managing my account has an American Lemans race engineering background so they will be safe. btw, I actually do expect the price to be about what you said but for larger sizes....and yes I already knew the bolt pattern but thanks! Also, I don't think I'm going to make them to clear the Z brakes, but I will try... __________________ Hoot Automotive Technologies www.hootauto.com 703.509.2242 Check out my Group Buys and Specials! http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=103985 http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=103935

04-14-2006, 02:31 PM	#54
DoriftoSlut Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: SoCal and Hawaii Age: 37 Posts: 1,986 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	How about not copying anything, and making your own designs? Case in point: I made these for my Lotus last term... Lotus has always had rims that were either 4 or 8 spoke. Old lotus F1 cars were almost all 4 spoke. 4 Spoke rims are wicked old skool. Here's what I did, influenced by 4 spoke Equip 01s, Old Ferrari 5 spokes, Lotus 4 spoke F1 rims, etc. But i didn't copy anything, and IMO still retains the new-but-old-skool look. I know the cost of manufacturing etc was not factored into my design, but i think my point still stands... That being said... want to hire me to do an old-skool feeling wheel for ya? I can build it in either Alias Studiotools or Solidworks, whatever is the easiest for final production output... __________________ Death Before Dishonor. www.pinkgodzira.com www.driftalliance.com

04-14-2006, 06:04 PM	#55
musikjunkie Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: los angeles Posts: 437 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	if you are still taking suggestions i say make some old school hoshinos and longchamps

04-14-2006, 08:45 PM	#56
EchoOfSilence Nissanaholic! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Los Angeles/Berkeley, CA Posts: 2,238 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I say hire DoriftoSlut. those rims + stepped lip = hotness. __________________ Petition Nissan to Make the IDx on http://IDxClub.co !

04-16-2006, 10:08 AM	#58
DRIFTER-M Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: in my car Posts: 694 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	17x9 4 and 5 lug. Cheap 17 inch meshes, they would be hot. Or old school advans, but if you can make 16-17inch, and nice and wide. They would prob sell really good.

04-16-2006, 10:14 AM	#59
ThatGuy Admin Asshole Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Retired Age: 41 Posts: 20,394 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: ThatGuy Feedback Score: 0 reviews	"Just say no to Knock-Offs" Original designs or nothing. __________________ "Speak softly,..." -Pres. Teddy Roosevelt "Be polite, be professional, ..." -Gen. James Mattis

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