2jz-gte powered s14...vs rb25det / rb26dett - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

speeddreamz · 11-16-2003, 07:03 AM

Well, i was on the can and decided to browse my hyperrev mag just for the hell of it and was looking for spark plugs, when i came across an engine bay of an s14 that looked just a little bit odd. It had a 1jz-gte with vvt-i in it. I was thinking why not a 2jz-gte motor in there? I know someone has done it i saw it somewhere but cannot recall where.

I did use the search function by the way.

So my question is this, what sorta of weight/ custom issues would you have to compensate for with a 2jz-gte

and then also the other question, which do you think is better motor ? rb25det or a 2jz-gte ? Also, weight issues between the two? Electrical issues? I think the swap would be so much easier keeping it nissan... off hand...?

I love the skyline but i respect the supra because I think it can take more hp before upgrading internals etc...plus i just think about toyotas reliability, they seem to be slightly ahead of nissans from my person experiences and word of mouth.

This is just a stupid thought at 5:55 am in the morning after the runs with my sr20de'ed s13....

orangeS15 · 11-16-2003, 07:33 AM

ok well i cant really answer your questions but. I recently have been surrounded by supras(i dont own one

) and i know that dropping a 2jz engine the 240 is going to be very expensive. First the engine will cost you a good amount and then installing it will. If done right the 2jz engine is a beast. I have seen TT Supras rip up the track.

andrave · 11-16-2003, 11:40 AM

yeah you could buy a stock 2jz or mod your nissan engine to way more HP for the same price...
there is some company online that tried sr20, then rb engines, and now swaps j2z's that make 1000 hp or so.
its cool, if youre into that.

*HaLo* · 11-16-2003, 01:38 PM

Hmmm Ceramic coated internals... 2JZ are the engine to own... in a Toyota.

Pacman · 11-16-2003, 02:55 PM

Don't be an ass. If you want 2JZ-GTE power, get a Supra. An RB26 can give you the same power.

GlacierFreeze · 11-17-2003, 09:25 AM

The RB26 also revs 2000 rpms higher than the 2JZs

drift_newbie · 11-22-2003, 09:38 PM

So you're telling me an rb revs 8750-9000rpms stock?

-Ben

TheTicTac · 11-23-2003, 04:06 AM

Tunning philosphy in the US isn't mature enough to handle those kinds of swaps.

Nismopu · 11-23-2003, 04:27 AM

I am pretty sure there are lots of Skylines putting out a 1000hp on the stock internals without a hitch. You can talk to several people who have pondered this swap too. I believe Curtis at "Maxrev Motorsports" has pondered it among other things, he used to have a triple t3/t4 2jz engine! www.maxrev.com His site sucks so if your interested just call thenumber and if he doesnt answer call back in a few days. The guy doesnt like to work alot.

alan-n · 11-23-2003, 12:32 PM

There aren't any RB26s putting out 1000 hp without a hitch. RB can only sustain 700-800HP for short periods, good for brief runs or drag. The 2JZ is a beefier motor, it does not rev as high due to a longer stroke but it is beefier than the rb26.

Japanese tuning philosphy is quite conservative so anything more than 500 for means built engine. The rb26 is a smaller and lighter motor less internal strength. The 2JZ is beefier and heavier and is cheaper route to go for an 800HP car.

Nismopu · 11-23-2003, 02:33 PM

I dont deny that Toyotas are strong engines, i used to have a 03 Tacoma and christian rado uses that very motor in his drag car. It could handle 1000hp on the stock bottom end according to him. I am having my australia friend check out what the highest hp rating was for a stock rb26. I dont doubt your numbers but it just seems to me that there was someone out there who did it.

[email protected] · 11-23-2003, 03:08 PM

With conservative tuning, both the RB26 and 2jz-gte can make wicked power somewhat reliably. The newest Turbo mag shows SP Engineering's stock skyline motor putting 710whp down with stock head, cams, pistons, rods and crank with a T51 turbo. I am not sure if they put a HG in it. Peter Blach put down 958rwhp at Tx2k3 on a stock bottom end but with a built head and HG (I saw and heard it myself, and it was wicked. There are a few 700+rwhp Supras running around on stock motors, top to bottom. Both motors will cost about the same to get ahold of, but the Supra tranny is stronger.

http://www.turbomagazine.com/toc/

http://www.to4r.com/members/peterblach.html

Good luck with whatever you decide to do. There is a lot of tuning knowledge out there for both motors. And with enough $, you can put any motor in any car.

GlacierFreeze · 11-24-2003, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by drift_newbie
So you're telling me an rb revs 8750-9000rpms stock?

-Ben

Yes, that is correct.

As for me, if I had the money to do either one of those swaps, the RB26DETT or 2JZ, I would go RB26. I think it would be cool to >make< the AWD tranny work and see how it would do on an S chasis.

misnomer · 11-24-2003, 10:20 AM

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Tunning philosphy in the US isn't mature enough to handle those kinds of swaps.

That's kind of ignorant considering it's been done before in the US. . . You don't need to be in Japan to swap a motor :P

With either the rb25 or the 2jz, you will ahve a fair deal of custom work, can't say which would be more difficult. An rb26 will be more difficult, as it's coupled with an awd transmission. You'd either need to adapt that drivetrain, or get use another one (as I recall, an rb25 tranny will work). I don't know of anyone that has built an s-chassis car with awd.

[GoaTSLonG] · 11-24-2003, 11:31 AM

Sound Performance in Bloomingdale IL around the block from my house and they hold the world record for stock bottom end Supra which was 980rwhp thru a automatic tranny. This car is daily driven. They are running around with a few 1400hp supras. They also have an H1 Hummer with a 572 big block, twin turbo'd running on a Haltec blah blah blah, 1500rwhp with the front axles removed. Runs 12's.

The Dude · 11-30-2003, 10:22 PM

This may sound stupid to you all, but I'm pretty new to 240sx's. I know that RB26's and 2JZ-GTE's are both inline 6's, but isn't the 2JZ really really long? I mean, just look at the front end of a Supra, then compare it to that of a 240sx...it pretty much dwarfs the 240. For some reason that comes to mind. Has anyone actually DONE the 2JZ-GTE swap into a 240 before? That would be a badass swap.

[GoaTSLonG] · 11-30-2003, 10:30 PM

yes it has been done before.

These guys will do it for $11k

*Jeff240sx* · 12-01-2003, 12:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BKdaMoRoN
This may sound stupid to you all, but I'm pretty new to 240sx's. I know that RB26's and 2JZ-GTE's are both inline 6's, but isn't the 2JZ really really long? I mean, just look at the front end of a Supra, then compare it to that of a 240sx...it pretty much dwarfs the 240. For some reason that comes to mind. Has anyone actually DONE the 2JZ-GTE swap into a 240 before? That would be a badass swap.

2JZ = V6
Camaro's have really long front ends, and over 1/2 of them have a small v-6 in there. 300zx's have long front ends, and I'd say the vg30e is shorter than a KA. Don't believe looks.
-Jeff

TheTicTac · 12-01-2003, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by misnomer
That's kind of ignorant considering it's been done before in the US. . . You don't need to be in Japan to swap a motor :P

Ignorant? So people made it possible to drop a different motor in a car, most of us still can't tune it. Throwing money at a problem, that's what I call ignorant.

*HaLo* · 12-01-2003, 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jeff240sx
2JZ = V6
Camaro's have really long front ends, and over 1/2 of them have a small v-6 in there. 300zx's have long front ends, and I'd say the vg30e is shorter than a KA. Don't believe looks.
-Jeff

I'm sorry Jeff, I don`t want to be an ass, but the 2JZ-GTE is an Inline-6.

The Dude · 12-01-2003, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by [GoaTSLonG]
yes it has been done before.

These guys will do it for $11k

Damn, if I only lived near BC I'd seriously consider doing it

I guess I'll just stick with SR20

*Jeff240sx* · 12-01-2003, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HaLo
I'm sorry Jeff, I don`t want to be an ass, but the 2JZ-GTE is an Inline-6.

Wow. Dual intake manifolds on an I-6.. never would have thought.
-Jeff

[GoaTSLonG] · 12-01-2003, 06:46 PM

dude it is an inline 6, and a v6 doesnt have "dual" intake manifolds it has one in the middle of the 2 heads.

BeteNoir · 12-01-2003, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jeff240sx
Wow. Dual intake manifolds on an I-6.. never would have thought.
-Jeff

This is an amateurish post that caps off this entire this entire thread. The 2jz-gte is an inline six. It has one intake manifold the other manifold is an exhaust.

The Blitz Skyline makes over 850 whp. There are several RB26s that make close to 1000. I don't know of any with stock internals that make over 1000. The ones over 1000 bore/stroke the motor to a 3.1L. There are RB30det's that produce over 1000hp on stock internals. Check out this site

BeteNoir · 12-01-2003, 10:05 PM

8 second. 1100hp Skyline

*HaLo* · 12-02-2003, 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jeff240sx
Wow. Dual intake manifolds on an I-6.. never would have thought.
-Jeff

No need for sarcasm. Prove me wrong and I'll shut up... 'till then, a 2JZ stays an I6 with 1 intake manifold.

*Jeff240sx* · 12-02-2003, 08:08 AM

I'm really not being sarcastic. I've worked on the 7mgte I-6, but I've only seen one 2jz motor personally, and it had 2 intake manifolds, 2 filters, ect. so I really believed that it was a v-6. Now that nobody knows what I'm talking about, I'm guessing it was pretty modified. And I don't quite know why I'd think the supra would go from mk2 I6 to an mk3 v6...
Bete - Kiss my ass. I'm on a Nissan board because I know about Nissans. If I was 2jz guru, I'd be on supraforums.com..
It really is bad when before correcting someone you say "Not to be an ass" because it isnt necessary Halo, you were just correcting me. Sad people get hurt feelings over bieng corrected.. I like it, in a constructive criticizm sort-of way. If I wanted to be right all the time and waste my life, I'd google everything I was about to say before-hand.. but where's the fun in that. Bete on the other hand...
-Jeff

*HaLo* · 12-02-2003, 08:32 AM

Jeff:

All is good. I had no intention to hurt anyone neither to piss anyone off. I never got to see a 2jz in person, but my GF has an MK3 supra and she's been keeping very informed on possible engine swaps. That is why I know about the 2jz.

I felt the obligation to say "not to be an ass" because some people here don't like to be corrected. And since you've been here for quite a while, I felt that I owed you some respect, even if you were wrong. Next time, if I get to correct you, I'll take that statement out.

No bad intentions. You're a good guy Jeff

As for twin intake, it's possible if the guy converter to true TT setup. A 2JZ is a sequential twin turbo in its stock form. When converted to TT, 2 filters may be required.

Punisher · 12-02-2003, 10:28 AM

alright first of all think about if you are actually gonna invest so much cash to make the motor run about 1000hp...if not then wats the point of swaping a 2jz if u could put out high numbers with an sr for about the same price as just swaping the 2jz, its really not worth it unless u have cash up ur ass!! if you really wanted to u could prolly pull off about 1000hp out of an sr...it would only cost quite a bit....

*Jeff240sx* · 12-02-2003, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Punisher
alright first of all think about if you are actually gonna invest so much cash to make the motor run about 1000hp...if not then wats the point of swaping a 2jz if u could put out high numbers with an sr for about the same price as just swaping the 2jz, its really not worth it unless u have cash up ur ass!! if you really wanted to u could prolly pull off about 1000hp out of an sr...it would only cost quite a bit....

Don't really think you can pull 1k hp off a sr20. Secret Services here in Tampa only hit 539rwhp, with all sorts of problems. Their clutch, 1000cc injectors, and spark are all limiting further power.

The 2jz responds really well to power mods, and there are many sites that will make 600-900rwhp for relatively cheap (less than what I have in my KA-T).

I really like the rb26 itea in a 240, but for me to be able to justify the cost of spending 6k on a clip when I can get a proven 2jz installed for a little more than that price, that AWD transmission better be installed in my 240sx! Unstable-Hybrids guesses about 12-14k to make an AWD rb26det 240sx.
-Jeff

-Jeff

11-16-2003, 07:03 AM	#1
speeddreamz Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: San Francisco, California Age: 36 Posts: 1,015 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	2jz-gte powered s14...vs rb25det / rb26dett Well, i was on the can and decided to browse my hyperrev mag just for the hell of it and was looking for spark plugs, when i came across an engine bay of an s14 that looked just a little bit odd. It had a 1jz-gte with vvt-i in it. I was thinking why not a 2jz-gte motor in there? I know someone has done it i saw it somewhere but cannot recall where. I did use the search function by the way. So my question is this, what sorta of weight/ custom issues would you have to compensate for with a 2jz-gte and then also the other question, which do you think is better motor ? rb25det or a 2jz-gte ? Also, weight issues between the two? Electrical issues? I think the swap would be so much easier keeping it nissan... off hand...? I love the skyline but i respect the supra because I think it can take more hp before upgrading internals etc...plus i just think about toyotas reliability, they seem to be slightly ahead of nissans from my person experiences and word of mouth. This is just a stupid thought at 5:55 am in the morning after the runs with my sr20de'ed s13....

11-16-2003, 01:38 PM	#4
HaLo from Canada, eh! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Montreal, Quebec Age: 42 Posts: 5,199 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: HaLo Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Hmmm Ceramic coated internals... 2JZ are the engine to own... in a Toyota. __________________ -> HaLo Race Car: '98 E36 BMW M3 Daily Driver: '08 Fiji Blue Honda Civic Si SOLD: 01 GPW Honda S2000 PARTED: 93 Pearl White 240SX LE Fastback w/SR20DET SOLD: 93 Super White 240SX SE Convertible w/Silvia Front

11-22-2003, 09:38 PM	#7
drift_newbie Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Midwest Posts: 120 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	So you're telling me an rb revs 8750-9000rpms stock? -Ben __________________ Putting a smart-ass comment here is just setting yourself up to get slammed

11-23-2003, 04:06 AM	#8
TheTicTac Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2002 Location: CA Posts: 449 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Tunning philosphy in the US isn't mature enough to handle those kinds of swaps. __________________ GorgeousGarage L.oose S.ocks D.aisuke !

11-23-2003, 04:27 AM	#9
Nismopu Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Vancouver,WA Posts: 47 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I am pretty sure there are lots of Skylines putting out a 1000hp on the stock internals without a hitch. You can talk to several people who have pondered this swap too. I believe Curtis at "Maxrev Motorsports" has pondered it among other things, he used to have a triple t3/t4 2jz engine! www.maxrev.com His site sucks so if your interested just call thenumber and if he doesnt answer call back in a few days. The guy doesnt like to work alot. __________________ Driving faster excites the senses and makes you more aware of your surroundings. A.K.A a better driver!

11-16-2003, 07:33 AM	#2
orangeS15 Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: florida Posts: 6 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	ok well i cant really answer your questions but. I recently have been surrounded by supras(i dont own one ) and i know that dropping a 2jz engine the 240 is going to be very expensive. First the engine will cost you a good amount and then installing it will. If done right the 2jz engine is a beast. I have seen TT Supras rip up the track.

11-16-2003, 11:40 AM	#3
andrave BANNED Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Burton WV Posts: 2,350 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yeah you could buy a stock 2jz or mod your nissan engine to way more HP for the same price... there is some company online that tried sr20, then rb engines, and now swaps j2z's that make 1000 hp or so. its cool, if youre into that.

11-16-2003, 02:55 PM	#5
Pacman Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ohio Age: 33 Posts: 1,147 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Don't be an ass. If you want 2JZ-GTE power, get a Supra. An RB26 can give you the same power.

11-17-2003, 09:25 AM	#6
GlacierFreeze Zilvia Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Hattiesburg, MS Age: 38 Posts: 209 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The RB26 also revs 2000 rpms higher than the 2JZs

11-23-2003, 12:32 PM	#10
alan-n Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Euless Posts: 10 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	There aren't any RB26s putting out 1000 hp without a hitch. RB can only sustain 700-800HP for short periods, good for brief runs or drag. The 2JZ is a beefier motor, it does not rev as high due to a longer stroke but it is beefier than the rb26. Japanese tuning philosphy is quite conservative so anything more than 500 for means built engine. The rb26 is a smaller and lighter motor less internal strength. The 2JZ is beefier and heavier and is cheaper route to go for an 800HP car.

11-23-2003, 02:33 PM	#11
Nismopu Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Vancouver,WA Posts: 47 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I dont deny that Toyotas are strong engines, i used to have a 03 Tacoma and christian rado uses that very motor in his drag car. It could handle 1000hp on the stock bottom end according to him. I am having my australia friend check out what the highest hp rating was for a stock rb26. I dont doubt your numbers but it just seems to me that there was someone out there who did it. __________________ Driving faster excites the senses and makes you more aware of your surroundings. A.K.A a better driver!

11-23-2003, 03:08 PM	#12
[email protected] Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Fort Worth, Tx Age: 43 Posts: 15 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	With conservative tuning, both the RB26 and 2jz-gte can make wicked power somewhat reliably. The newest Turbo mag shows SP Engineering's stock skyline motor putting 710whp down with stock head, cams, pistons, rods and crank with a T51 turbo. I am not sure if they put a HG in it. Peter Blach put down 958rwhp at Tx2k3 on a stock bottom end but with a built head and HG (I saw and heard it myself, and it was wicked. There are a few 700+rwhp Supras running around on stock motors, top to bottom. Both motors will cost about the same to get ahold of, but the Supra tranny is stronger. http://www.turbomagazine.com/toc/ http://www.to4r.com/members/peterblach.html Good luck with whatever you decide to do. There is a lot of tuning knowledge out there for both motors. And with enough $, you can put any motor in any car. __________________ *Current Silvia Specials* 10k RPM Fossil Watch MVP Motorsports Over 3,000 Performance Parts Online Phone: 817-439-4888 Master Distributors for RPS, Veilside, HKS, Greddy, Blitz, Brembo, Stoptech, Powerhouse Racing, AEM, Volk, Tein, Bomex, and so many more... [email protected]

11-24-2003, 11:31 AM	#15
[GoaTSLonG] Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 311 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Sound Performance in Bloomingdale IL around the block from my house and they hold the world record for stock bottom end Supra which was 980rwhp thru a automatic tranny. This car is daily driven. They are running around with a few 1400hp supras. They also have an H1 Hummer with a 572 big block, twin turbo'd running on a Haltec blah blah blah, 1500rwhp with the front axles removed. Runs 12's. __________________ WRECKED.

11-30-2003, 10:22 PM	#16
The Dude Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: TN Age: 36 Posts: 357 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	This may sound stupid to you all, but I'm pretty new to 240sx's. I know that RB26's and 2JZ-GTE's are both inline 6's, but isn't the 2JZ really really long? I mean, just look at the front end of a Supra, then compare it to that of a 240sx...it pretty much dwarfs the 240. For some reason that comes to mind. Has anyone actually DONE the 2JZ-GTE swap into a 240 before? That would be a badass swap.

11-30-2003, 10:30 PM	#17
[GoaTSLonG] Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 311 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	yes it has been done before. These guys will do it for $11k __________________ WRECKED.

12-01-2003, 06:46 PM	#23
[GoaTSLonG] Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 311 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	dude it is an inline 6, and a v6 doesnt have "dual" intake manifolds it has one in the middle of the 2 heads. __________________ WRECKED.

12-01-2003, 10:05 PM	#25
BeteNoir Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: SoFla Posts: 38 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	8 second. 1100hp Skyline

12-02-2003, 08:08 AM	#27
Jeff240sx I hate you too... Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Tampa, FL Age: 38 Posts: 5,828 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Jeff240sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'm really not being sarcastic. I've worked on the 7mgte I-6, but I've only seen one 2jz motor personally, and it had 2 intake manifolds, 2 filters, ect. so I really believed that it was a v-6. Now that nobody knows what I'm talking about, I'm guessing it was pretty modified. And I don't quite know why I'd think the supra would go from mk2 I6 to an mk3 v6... Bete - Kiss my ass. I'm on a Nissan board because I know about Nissans. If I was 2jz guru, I'd be on supraforums.com.. It really is bad when before correcting someone you say "Not to be an ass" because it isnt necessary Halo, you were just correcting me. Sad people get hurt feelings over bieng corrected.. I like it, in a constructive criticizm sort-of way. If I wanted to be right all the time and waste my life, I'd google everything I was about to say before-hand.. but where's the fun in that. Bete on the other hand... -Jeff __________________ Whatup?

12-02-2003, 08:32 AM	#28
HaLo from Canada, eh! Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Montreal, Quebec Age: 42 Posts: 5,199 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: HaLo Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Jeff: All is good. I had no intention to hurt anyone neither to piss anyone off. I never got to see a 2jz in person, but my GF has an MK3 supra and she's been keeping very informed on possible engine swaps. That is why I know about the 2jz. I felt the obligation to say "not to be an ass" because some people here don't like to be corrected. And since you've been here for quite a while, I felt that I owed you some respect, even if you were wrong. Next time, if I get to correct you, I'll take that statement out. No bad intentions. You're a good guy Jeff As for twin intake, it's possible if the guy converter to true TT setup. A 2JZ is a sequential twin turbo in its stock form. When converted to TT, 2 filters may be required. __________________ -> HaLo Race Car: '98 E36 BMW M3 Daily Driver: '08 Fiji Blue Honda Civic Si SOLD: 01 GPW Honda S2000 PARTED: 93 Pearl White 240SX LE Fastback w/SR20DET SOLD: 93 Super White 240SX SE Convertible w/Silvia Front

12-02-2003, 10:28 AM	#29
Punisher Leaky Injector Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 63 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	alright first of all think about if you are actually gonna invest so much cash to make the motor run about 1000hp...if not then wats the point of swaping a 2jz if u could put out high numbers with an sr for about the same price as just swaping the 2jz, its really not worth it unless u have cash up ur ass!! if you really wanted to u could prolly pull off about 1000hp out of an sr...it would only cost quite a bit.... __________________ -= βΐĢ קּűиוֹﻛђЭŘ =- R.I.P - 1990 240sx fastback (slammed) Project - 1992 240sx fastback

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