S14 5 speed swap ?'s - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

sleepyS14se · 07-09-2013, 09:53 AM

OK i have read the auto to 5spd swap FAQ and from what i am being told and comparing that to what i read it has misleading information.

I have a automatic 95 240sx with a bad engine. I have a complete ka24de and 5 spd trans,a random bracket a guy gave me he said i need for the 5spd swap, a harness, a lower harness, and a ecu, I also have The FRONT half of the driveshaft.

Now what i am trying to figure out is DO I NEED A 5 speed crossmember and do i need the back half of the driveshaft?

Also, anyone wanna recommend some basic maintenance i should do the the ka24de before i drop it in. I plan on doing front crank seal, rear main seal, V/C gasket set, and a oil pan gasket...anything else i should check?

jr_ss · 07-09-2013, 10:21 AM

Dear god... There are more FAQ sections out there than just the one. They all say you need the manual crossmember, why would you question it?

Remove the upper timing chain guide.

sleepyS14se · 07-09-2013, 12:29 PM

do i need a whole 5 speed D/S or is just the front half needs to be swapped? i got the front half that goes into the trans.

sleepyS14se · 07-09-2013, 12:36 PM

why remove the upper timing chain guide? i have seen inside the timing cover and zomg thats a mess of chains...

babyjesus · 07-09-2013, 01:34 PM

you do need a manual cross member. if the one the guy gave you had a "b" stamped in the center it's for 5-speed..if it has an "a" it's for auto..

also, here is a link to a thread that specifies lengths of drive shafts. measure the front portion that you have and see what you find out.
Driveshaft Lengths - Nissan 240SX Forums

if you have more questions let me know

jr_ss · 07-09-2013, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleepyS14se

why remove the upper timing chain guide? i have seen inside the timing cover and zomg thats a mess of chains...

The upper timing chain guide is easily accessible and only requires removing the valve cover. It is removed because over time the chain gains slack and will eat through it, possibly causing serious engine damage. If you remove it, you no longer have to worry about hearing the chain clank or possible engine damage.

Buy a 1- piece driveshaft for your car. Specify if it has ABS or not and make sure it's for a 5spd. This will save you the headache of finding the "correct" front half and eliminate your probably bad center carrier bearing in the process.

sleepyS14se · 07-10-2013, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by babyjesus

you do need a manual cross member. if the one the guy gave you had a "b" stamped in the center it's for 5-speed..if it has an "a" it's for auto..

also, here is a link to a thread that specifies lengths of drive shafts. measure the front portion that you have and see what you find out.
Driveshaft Lengths - Nissan 240SX Forums

if you have more questions let me know

i have no crossmember...just the one thats on the car which is auto

i will measure what i got. i really need to stay with stock D/S because of money being tight...

Quote:

Originally Posted by jr_ss

The upper timing chain guide is easily accessible and only requires removing the valve cover. It is removed because over time the chain gains slack and will eat through it, possibly causing serious engine damage. If you remove it, you no longer have to worry about hearing the chain clank or possible engine damage.

Buy a 1- piece driveshaft for your car. Specify if it has ABS or not and make sure it's for a 5spd. This will save you the headache of finding the "correct" front half and eliminate your probably bad center carrier bearing in the process.

where do you get a 1 pc D/S and how much do they cost? also how do i identify if it has abs or not? i do not see a big abs pump with any mess of hardlines so i assume it is a non abs s14.

any pics showing what cover to leave off? i thought crap/debris would get in there and tear up the chains/what not.

drftngs14 · 07-10-2013, 07:08 AM

The upper chain guide does nothing really thats why Nissan put out a TSB on removing it. Google it for images, there are tons of info on it as well as one piece DS. Look in for sale section to see if you can find used one, new $300-400. The ABS pump will be on the passenger side of the car and will be obvious if you have it.

drftngs14 · 07-10-2013, 07:44 AM

Did your leg work for you, Id pick this up but Im ABS..
http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/52225...t-non-abs.html

sleepyS14se · 07-10-2013, 09:20 AM

ah damn he is on the wrong side of the country..im in GA

im assuming the REAR half of the OEM 2pc design is the same regardless of auto or 5spd.

i can get the front half for 20

drftngs14 · 07-10-2013, 09:37 AM

Send him a PM, just cause its listed local only doesnt mean offering him to pay shipping he wont, its been listed for over a month and no one has bought it..

babyjesus · 07-10-2013, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleepyS14se

i have no crossmember...just the one thats on the car which is auto

you said the guy gave you a bracket, it's probably the cross member.

sleepyS14se · 07-10-2013, 10:33 AM

No no, it is a tiny bracket. it looks like a 4-5" x 4-5" square piece like a motor mount bracket.

sleepyS14se · 07-10-2013, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drftngs14

Send him a PM, just cause its listed local only doesnt mean offering him to pay shipping he wont, its been listed for over a month and no one has bought it..

i did...to no avail yet..just waitin... my main concern is i need a damn pedal assy for the brake and clutch and i also HAVE got to have the crossmember. :/

drftngs14 · 07-10-2013, 12:22 PM

Like I said, check the for sale section, there are a bunch in there may have to go thru a few pages, research research research!! I found all my swap parts here and the other forums

sleepyS14se · 07-11-2013, 06:43 AM

i need a cross member for a 5spd and a pedal assembly. I searched and didn't find any

Is the cross member called something else? what am i missing here i figured a cross member / trans support would be easy to locate

drftngs14 · 07-11-2013, 08:02 AM

Not sure how you're searching but I literally found this in 1 min crossmember-
http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/52596...rage-sale.html

Go to for sale section and look, everything you need for a swap is in there!!!!!

jr_ss · 07-11-2013, 08:28 AM

If you can't find it you arent looking hard enough.

Buy items new if you have too, don't be a cheap ass Honda owner... Oh wait you are.

sleepyS14se · 07-11-2013, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jr_ss

If you can't find it you arent looking hard enough.

Buy items new if you have too, don't be a cheap ass Honda owner... Oh wait you are.

i did call my friend across the street at the nissan dealership and the crossmember is discontinued.

i am buying one from the guy in that link

babyjesus · 07-11-2013, 09:35 AM

yeah man, doesn't seem like you're looking very hard. try a junk yard. most of the pieces necessary can be found on s13 as well (cross member included) as for the clutch pedal assembly you can rig a s13 one to fit, i've never done it, but i hear you can. as for the brake pedal, you can leave the auto one in and just cut it, i did this to mine and it worked out great

sleepyS14se · 07-11-2013, 09:48 AM

we got problems...the guy said he has 4 crossmembers and 2 are from a auto and 2 are from a 5speed and he cannot tell the difference and has no idea which one to send me...

how do we tell which is which!??

jr_ss · 07-11-2013, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by babyjesus

you do need a manual cross member. if the one the guy gave you had a "b" stamped in the center it's for 5-speed..if it has an "a" it's for auto..

Quote:

Originally Posted by sleepyS14se

we got problems...the guy said he has 4 crossmembers and 2 are from a auto and 2 are from a 5speed and he cannot tell the difference and has no idea which one to send me...

how do we tell which is which!??

This quote was pulled from this thread...

sleepyS14se · 07-11-2013, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jr_ss

This quote was pulled from this thread...

he said he sees no stamp. Where is the stamp located?

you guys have to bear with me here i am being honest i am just confused and need this x member...

I have read so many threads and some people say they used the original auto x member and others say no way that would work...why the F is this happening?

sleepyS14se · 07-11-2013, 11:09 AM

ok crossmember i got coming to me is a s13 5 spd one...

now i need a damn clutch pedal and it is 279 on ebay!!! holy f lol

sleepyS14se · 07-11-2013, 11:45 AM

ok i got a guy in thailand sending me the pedal assemblies for s14

babyjesus · 07-11-2013, 01:50 PM

for future reference i guess, but the stamp is on the flatter side of the cross member. typically they've got gunk and grease caked on them, but once clean you should see the stamp.

ps. i hope you didn't pay anywhere near 279 for a clutch assembly. like I SAID EARLIER you could use a s13 one and put spacers on the back if you really needed. THAT could be had for about 40 bucks, at that it's worth a try i'd say.

sleepyS14se · 07-11-2013, 02:06 PM

i paid 100 shipped for the brake and clutch pedal assys

sleepyS14se · 07-11-2013, 02:08 PM

I have a 97 civic i am selling for 2200...what should i spend the 2200 on? I am thinking fortune auto coilovers?? i want some badass full adjustable coilovers that are good for street and drifting( i am going to learn how to drift this mofo eventually, if the ka24de can even do it)

sleepyS14se · 07-11-2013, 02:15 PM

also i got a guy who will weld my diff for posi lock...but i am afraid i will break an axle....any ideas

drftngs14 · 07-11-2013, 02:47 PM

depends on what exactly youre trying to accomplish and definitely not a question to ask on here hahaha you'll get flamed! build your car how you want it, not how any of us want it. If your learning to drift, Id tackle suspension, brake and power first. Honestly you really dont HAVE to do anything, go enjoy the car and learn, then build as you go, throwing a bunch of $$ wont do anything until you learn the in's and out's.. IMO

07-09-2013, 09:53 AM	#1
sleepyS14se Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Georgia Age: 32 Posts: 880 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	S14 5 speed swap ?'s OK i have read the auto to 5spd swap FAQ and from what i am being told and comparing that to what i read it has misleading information. I have a automatic 95 240sx with a bad engine. I have a complete ka24de and 5 spd trans,a random bracket a guy gave me he said i need for the 5spd swap, a harness, a lower harness, and a ecu, I also have The FRONT half of the driveshaft. Now what i am trying to figure out is DO I NEED A 5 speed crossmember and do i need the back half of the driveshaft? Also, anyone wanna recommend some basic maintenance i should do the the ka24de before i drop it in. I plan on doing front crank seal, rear main seal, V/C gasket set, and a oil pan gasket...anything else i should check? __________________ 95 S14 se RB25DET 348whp

07-09-2013, 10:21 AM	#2
jr_ss Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Pa Posts: 6,052 Trader Rating: (34) Feedback Score: 34 reviews	Dear god... There are more FAQ sections out there than just the one. They all say you need the manual crossmember, why would you question it? Remove the upper timing chain guide. __________________ My SR20VET

07-09-2013, 12:29 PM	#3
sleepyS14se Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Georgia Age: 32 Posts: 880 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	do i need a whole 5 speed D/S or is just the front half needs to be swapped? i got the front half that goes into the trans. __________________ 95 S14 se RB25DET 348whp

07-09-2013, 12:36 PM	#4
sleepyS14se Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Georgia Age: 32 Posts: 880 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	why remove the upper timing chain guide? i have seen inside the timing cover and zomg thats a mess of chains... __________________ 95 S14 se RB25DET 348whp

07-09-2013, 01:34 PM	#5
babyjesus Zilvia Addict Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: moreno valley Posts: 716 Trader Rating: (14) Feedback Score: 14 reviews	you do need a manual cross member. if the one the guy gave you had a "b" stamped in the center it's for 5-speed..if it has an "a" it's for auto.. also, here is a link to a thread that specifies lengths of drive shafts. measure the front portion that you have and see what you find out. Driveshaft Lengths - Nissan 240SX Forums if you have more questions let me know __________________ thelittlebigblock.blogspot.com

07-10-2013, 07:08 AM	#8
drftngs14 Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Charlotte, NC Age: 35 Posts: 146 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	The upper chain guide does nothing really thats why Nissan put out a TSB on removing it. Google it for images, there are tons of info on it as well as one piece DS. Look in for sale section to see if you can find used one, new $300-400. The ABS pump will be on the passenger side of the car and will be obvious if you have it.

07-10-2013, 07:44 AM	#9
drftngs14 Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Charlotte, NC Age: 35 Posts: 146 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Did your leg work for you, Id pick this up but Im ABS.. http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/52225...t-non-abs.html

07-10-2013, 09:20 AM	#10
sleepyS14se Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Georgia Age: 32 Posts: 880 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	ah damn he is on the wrong side of the country..im in GA im assuming the REAR half of the OEM 2pc design is the same regardless of auto or 5spd. i can get the front half for 20 __________________ 95 S14 se RB25DET 348whp

07-10-2013, 09:37 AM	#11
drftngs14 Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Charlotte, NC Age: 35 Posts: 146 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Send him a PM, just cause its listed local only doesnt mean offering him to pay shipping he wont, its been listed for over a month and no one has bought it..

07-10-2013, 10:33 AM	#13
sleepyS14se Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Georgia Age: 32 Posts: 880 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	No no, it is a tiny bracket. it looks like a 4-5" x 4-5" square piece like a motor mount bracket. __________________ 95 S14 se RB25DET 348whp

07-10-2013, 12:22 PM	#15
drftngs14 Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Charlotte, NC Age: 35 Posts: 146 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Like I said, check the for sale section, there are a bunch in there may have to go thru a few pages, research research research!! I found all my swap parts here and the other forums

07-11-2013, 06:43 AM	#16
sleepyS14se Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Georgia Age: 32 Posts: 880 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	i need a cross member for a 5spd and a pedal assembly. I searched and didn't find any Is the cross member called something else? what am i missing here i figured a cross member / trans support would be easy to locate __________________ 95 S14 se RB25DET 348whp

07-11-2013, 08:02 AM	#17
drftngs14 Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Charlotte, NC Age: 35 Posts: 146 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Not sure how you're searching but I literally found this in 1 min crossmember- http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/52596...rage-sale.html Go to for sale section and look, everything you need for a swap is in there!!!!!

07-11-2013, 08:28 AM	#18
jr_ss Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Pa Posts: 6,052 Trader Rating: (34) Feedback Score: 34 reviews	If you can't find it you arent looking hard enough. Buy items new if you have too, don't be a cheap ass Honda owner... Oh wait you are. __________________ My SR20VET

07-11-2013, 09:35 AM	#20
babyjesus Zilvia Addict Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: moreno valley Posts: 716 Trader Rating: (14) Feedback Score: 14 reviews	yeah man, doesn't seem like you're looking very hard. try a junk yard. most of the pieces necessary can be found on s13 as well (cross member included) as for the clutch pedal assembly you can rig a s13 one to fit, i've never done it, but i hear you can. as for the brake pedal, you can leave the auto one in and just cut it, i did this to mine and it worked out great __________________ thelittlebigblock.blogspot.com

07-11-2013, 09:48 AM	#21
sleepyS14se Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Georgia Age: 32 Posts: 880 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	we got problems...the guy said he has 4 crossmembers and 2 are from a auto and 2 are from a 5speed and he cannot tell the difference and has no idea which one to send me... how do we tell which is which!?? __________________ 95 S14 se RB25DET 348whp

07-11-2013, 11:09 AM	#24
sleepyS14se Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Georgia Age: 32 Posts: 880 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	ok crossmember i got coming to me is a s13 5 spd one... now i need a damn clutch pedal and it is 279 on ebay!!! holy f lol __________________ 95 S14 se RB25DET 348whp

07-11-2013, 11:45 AM	#25
sleepyS14se Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Georgia Age: 32 Posts: 880 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	ok i got a guy in thailand sending me the pedal assemblies for s14 __________________ 95 S14 se RB25DET 348whp

07-11-2013, 01:50 PM	#26
babyjesus Zilvia Addict Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: moreno valley Posts: 716 Trader Rating: (14) Feedback Score: 14 reviews	for future reference i guess, but the stamp is on the flatter side of the cross member. typically they've got gunk and grease caked on them, but once clean you should see the stamp. ps. i hope you didn't pay anywhere near 279 for a clutch assembly. like I SAID EARLIER you could use a s13 one and put spacers on the back if you really needed. THAT could be had for about 40 bucks, at that it's worth a try i'd say. __________________ thelittlebigblock.blogspot.com

07-11-2013, 02:06 PM	#27
sleepyS14se Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Georgia Age: 32 Posts: 880 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	i paid 100 shipped for the brake and clutch pedal assys __________________ 95 S14 se RB25DET 348whp

07-11-2013, 02:08 PM	#28
sleepyS14se Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Georgia Age: 32 Posts: 880 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I have a 97 civic i am selling for 2200...what should i spend the 2200 on? I am thinking fortune auto coilovers?? i want some badass full adjustable coilovers that are good for street and drifting( i am going to learn how to drift this mofo eventually, if the ka24de can even do it) __________________ 95 S14 se RB25DET 348whp

07-11-2013, 02:15 PM	#29
sleepyS14se Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Georgia Age: 32 Posts: 880 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	also i got a guy who will weld my diff for posi lock...but i am afraid i will break an axle....any ideas __________________ 95 S14 se RB25DET 348whp

07-11-2013, 02:47 PM	#30
drftngs14 Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Charlotte, NC Age: 35 Posts: 146 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	depends on what exactly youre trying to accomplish and definitely not a question to ask on here hahaha you'll get flamed! build your car how you want it, not how any of us want it. If your learning to drift, Id tackle suspension, brake and power first. Honestly you really dont HAVE to do anything, go enjoy the car and learn, then build as you go, throwing a bunch of $$ wont do anything until you learn the in's and out's.. IMO

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