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Brian · 10-05-2009, 06:07 PM

Tell me more about the Electronic weapons.

What is there?

Jammers?
EMP weapons?

What do they do? Examples please.

GSXRJJordan · 10-05-2009, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian

Tell me more about the Electronic weapons.

What is there?

Jammers?
EMP weapons?

What do they do? Examples please.

Electronic warfare is split up into a bunch of sub-categories, from Electronic Intelligence (with it's own subsets) to EM jamming. Basic radio wave science tells ya that there's two types of interference, constructive and destructive, which have to do with matching frequency and/or phase of a transmission, and applying enough power to 'do work', whether you're trying to kill the signal or amplify it.

When it comes to defensive electronic countermeasures (D-ECM), you have passive stuff like flares and chaff, which are designed to fool infrared- and radar-seeking weapons, respectively. They don't work very well, for a bunch of reasons, but mostly because even shoulder-mounted anti-air missiles are advanced enough to see what target is still moving quickly, and what targets are falling/slowing, and choose the right one. Air-to-air fired stuff is even more advanced, and whereas shooting a coffee can of tin foil out the side (chaff) used to be a decent defense in the 60's and 70's, modern weaponry sees right through that shit. Plus, when you run out of chaff or flares, you're boned.

... so that's where active electronic countermeasures become more important, and more versatile. You can analyze the signal coming out of a missile, guess on what it expects to receive, and then send back an even more powerful signal that tells it to go kick rocks a couple miles to the left for instance.

Then there's offensive electronic warfare, where you 'sense' for radar signatures as you're flying into an area, jam them with a more powerful destructive signal (so they're now blind to the sky), and then if you're feelin frisky send a HARM missile right to where they were (radar-seeking air-to-ground missile). Or, you can just fly over an area and effectively jam the entire electromagnetic spectrum, so say bye-bye to cell phones, radio, TV, internet, etc - anything passed over the air or through an unshielded wire gets scrambled. To give you an idea of scale, 3 EA-6B's with the AN/ALQ-99 package that I worked on could cut off all communication in the entire city of New York! Pretty powerful shit.

So yeah, there's a lot of tech that goes into high-power emitters that are also small in size/weight/radar signature, electronically beam-steering antennas, etc. It used to be all about who has the more powerful radar (to 'see the farthest'), but now it's all about who can see without being seen - stealth and deny-ability are king.

Brian · 10-05-2009, 09:55 PM

So cool, man.
Love the sound of the AN/ALQ-99. Is there a newer version now?
More powerful or something?

In other news, I can't believe the F-117s are now retired. I remember going to an airshow when I was younger and it was the first time I ever saw the plane in real life. I remember it was surrounded by soldiers with rifles ready to take care of business if needed. Now, that this is a relic it seems. I guess it first flew back in 1983 or something. AMAZING. That's older than me, yet the thing still looks futuristic.
This makes me wonder what new stuff they have going on. Skunk Works and whatnot.

raz0rbladez909 · 10-05-2009, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian

^^^^ Razorblade
Cool.

Miramar. Was just there yesterday. They seem to mostly run Hornets as opposed to Super Hornets. Why is that?

VMFAT-101 SHARPSHOOTERS. sick name. love it.

not too sure on the exact reason, but i believe it may be due to it being a training squadron and being that the super hornets are a bit newer and they have plenty of regular hornets but then again i'm not familiar with the platform yet so thats just speculation

*fliprayzin240sx* · 10-06-2009, 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian

So cool, man.
Love the sound of the AN/ALQ-99. Is there a newer version now?
More powerful or something?

In other news, I can't believe the F-117s are now retired. I remember going to an airshow when I was younger and it was the first time I ever saw the plane in real life. I remember it was surrounded by soldiers with rifles ready to take care of business if needed. Now, that this is a relic it seems. I guess it first flew back in 1983 or something. AMAZING. That's older than me, yet the thing still looks futuristic.
This makes me wonder what new stuff they have going on. Skunk Works and whatnot.

Reason the F-117 was retired was basically for the same reason the F-14 got retired...cost too much for upkeep. From what a buddy of mine told me, for every 1 hour it flew, they had to put in 3 hrs of maintenance. Most of the problem came from the paint and avionics. Also, AF wanted to shift the money from these into the JSF and F-22 program.

yokotas13 · 10-06-2009, 04:37 PM

c-17s are the same way. but its liek 6 hours of maintenance for every 1 hour flown

MADE · 10-06-2009, 08:23 PM

If that was the ratio for the C-17 don't even post the C-5 ratio.
Love the comfort hate the fact when you need to go your probably not.

**ThatGuy** · 10-08-2009, 10:31 AM

One of my old babies.

Not a fighter of course, but I'm damn proud of them and had to post.

I'm an Instructor now, so I don't get as much time with them as I'd like. In a couple years I should be back to the Flight Line again.

Brian · 10-08-2009, 11:36 AM

I looked for at least one of those at the show last weekend, but there were NONE to be found!

MADE · 10-08-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian

I looked for at least one of those at the show last weekend, but there were NONE to be found!

Because Phrogs are forever and never die! They will be some in the area soon enough.

yokotas13 · 10-08-2009, 03:14 PM

i do <3 the ospreys
look soooo cool

*exitspeed* · 10-08-2009, 03:22 PM

Jets are so damn cool.

I used to live on the Air Force Base in Bitburg Germany when I was a kid. My mom was in the Air Force.

I always wished I woulda went into the military as a pilot.

**ThatGuy** · 10-08-2009, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MADE

Because Phrogs are forever and never die! They will be some in the area soon enough.

No, they're definitely dead. They made an awesome run and accomplished more than could have ever been asked of them, but they are done. No more parts being made.

Just think of it like this:
We're not "replacing" them. They are just retiring, and we're going to step in to fill the void.

Pharewell old phriend.

MADE · 10-08-2009, 08:23 PM

I figured that would get your attention, but i expected you to get all heated over that. I know how you O level AC guys get. Were you Phrog guy before?

**ThatGuy** · 10-08-2009, 08:27 PM

No, I was actually I-level in a different MOS. I respect the 46 though. I'd be crazy not to respect it after all these years. But I also realize it has to come to an end.

illvialuver · 10-08-2009, 08:47 PM

before I liked cars I liked planes, my first model was a p51 mustang and a spitfire, I used to go to airshows, and stuff all the time as a kid.

*fliprayzin240sx* · 10-09-2009, 02:05 AM

Wait, Marine Corp's retiring the Sea Knights/Chinooks and replacing them with the Osprey?!?! What the hell are you guys gonna be using for heavy lifting???

I've ridden in an Army Chinook in Balad...that shit was not fucking fun for one reason...that shit was leaking hydraulic fluid all over the place. You kinda get worried when the load master for the helicopter tells you that's normal.

dato · 10-09-2009, 02:33 AM

so what does it take to fly in the military? i know u need a college degree right? what else? score super high on the assestment test or what ever its called?

GSXRJJordan · 10-09-2009, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by dato

so what does it take to fly in the military? i know u need a college degree right? what else? score super high on the assestment test or what ever its called?

Depends what branch. The Army will let you fly as a Warrant Officer (no degree) via their "high school to flight school" program. Mostly used for rotary-wing pilots, but there are some fixed-wing that get through. You need high ASVAB scores as well as excellent AFAST scores (I think that's the acronym for it, it's the Army Flight Aptitude test, it's tough because it's cryptic, not because the material's difficult).

Marine Corps/Navy/Air Force all require a college degree, as well as you having to be a goody-two-shoes badass. Only the cream of the crop get to be pilots.

Oh, and naturally perfect vision (or corrected via PRK, which is a much more painful version of Lasik).

And you have to be under a certain height (6'3" or so for helos, 6' for most fixed-wing), be in fantastic shape, etc.

**ThatGuy** · 10-09-2009, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

Wait, Marine Corp's retiring the Sea Knights/Chinooks and replacing them with the Osprey?!?! What the hell are you guys gonna be using for heavy lifting???

I've ridden in an Army Chinook in Balad...that shit was not fucking fun for one reason...that shit was leaking hydraulic fluid all over the place. You kinda get worried when the load master for the helicopter tells you that's normal.

Marine Corps does not use the CH-47 Chinook, only the CH-46 Sea Knight, which is a MEDIUM lift platform.

Our HEAVY lift platform is the CH-53 Super Stallion. They are currently developing it's newest incarnation which is looking very impressive thus far.

The MV-22 can handle everything the Phroggies could lift, and then some.

*fliprayzin240sx* · 10-09-2009, 07:26 AM

I thought the Chinook was just the Army variant of the Sea Knight. They look identical to me. Also, I thought the Sea Knight was the heavy lifter, while the Super Stallion was the medium lift. Lastly, I just learned something new...didnt think that the Osprey was capable of lifting anything other than being a people mover.

**ThatGuy** · 10-09-2009, 07:32 AM

CH-47 Chinook can handle roughly TWICE the weight of the CH-46 Sea Knight. There is a bit of a size difference between them, and numerous design differences.

Versus

dudermagee · 10-09-2009, 07:54 AM

I work on this fat pig one weekend a month 2 weeks a year

sidewaysil80 · 10-09-2009, 08:35 AM

THAT GUY: what are they replacing the 46's with? that sucks i popped my fast rope cherry outta the hell hole on one of them. i had never heard that they were being phased out

BRIAN: i'm not sure if he still posts on here but "Eugene" (name on here) if i recall correctly was at one time part of the fighting 31. i know for a fact he working on the navy flight side at one point.

and as far as favorite squadron...HANDS DOWN the 1st avg during wwII aka "THE FLYING TIGERS" they were basically volunteers (arguably mercenaries) that came from US NAVY,AIR FORCE,MARINES...they flew the reknown p40's with their trademark tiger teeth. they flew for china but repped the US lol and were eventually absored and changed into a couple US units. and i think its the 23rd fighter group are the direct descendants and the ONLY unit authorized to sport nose art/ESPECIALLY the flying tiger tiger teeth art. and the rad part is like 80% of them were all ace pilots...not too mention they had one of the raddest pilots ever...double ace david "tex" hill...look them up and their history if your a squadron buff brian, you will def be impressed.

**ThatGuy** · 10-09-2009, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sidewaysil80

ThatGuy: what are they replacing the 46's with? that sucks i popped my fast rope cherry outta the hell hole on one of them. i had never heard that they were being phased out

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThatGuy earlier in this Thread

Just think of it like this:
We're not "replacing" them. They are just retiring, and we're going to step in to fill the void.

I said we're not "replacing" them, because that denotes a certain air of disrespect towards the Phrog to some people.

Technically, the MV-22B IS the replacement for the CH-46.

fromxtor · 10-09-2009, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by GSXRJJordan

Depends what branch. The Army will let you fly as a Warrant Officer (no degree) via their "high school to flight school" program.

Incorrect, you need an Associates degree to be a Warrant Officer in the Army.

Here are a few of our birds in the desert:

sidewaysil80 · 10-09-2009, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThatGuy

I said we're not "replacing" them, because that denotes a certain air of disrespect towards the Phrog to some people.

Technically, the MV-22B IS the replacement for the CH-46.

yeah im not in the air wing so i didnt know it was that serious LOL, but yeah i figured if it was retired something else "would be filling the void"...(less disrespectful lol)...
i've never flown on an osprey...i do know it was a running joke in the infantry community about the reliability of them, but i'm pretty sure they got all the bugs worked out by now

**ThatGuy** · 10-09-2009, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by sidewaysil80

yeah im not in the air wing so i didnt know it was that serious LOL, but yeah i figured if it was retired something else "would be filling the void"...(less disrespectful? lol)...
i've never flown on an osprey...i do know it was a running joke in the infantry community about the reliability of them, but i'm pretty sure they got all the bugs worked out by now

Fewer crashes than anything else you've ever flown on.

sidewaysil80 · 10-09-2009, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ThatGuy

Fewer crashes than anything else you've ever flown on.

yeah but is that comparing a 30-40 year run of 46's/53'3 to a 5 year run of the 22's

either way i'll take your word !!!!

**ThatGuy** · 10-09-2009, 09:37 AM

Try over 20 for the Osprey, and you really don't want to compare the 46's crash record.

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Brian Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: usa Posts: 12,840 Trader Rating: (54) Rides Gallery: Brian Feedback Score: 54 reviews	Tell me more about the Electronic weapons. What is there? Jammers? EMP weapons? What do they do? Examples please. __________________ http://bhworld.wordpress.com/

10-05-2009, 09:55 PM	#33
Brian Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: usa Posts: 12,840 Trader Rating: (54) Rides Gallery: Brian Feedback Score: 54 reviews	So cool, man. Love the sound of the AN/ALQ-99. Is there a newer version now? More powerful or something? In other news, I can't believe the F-117s are now retired. I remember going to an airshow when I was younger and it was the first time I ever saw the plane in real life. I remember it was surrounded by soldiers with rifles ready to take care of business if needed. Now, that this is a relic it seems. I guess it first flew back in 1983 or something. AMAZING. That's older than me, yet the thing still looks futuristic. This makes me wonder what new stuff they have going on. Skunk Works and whatnot. __________________ http://bhworld.wordpress.com/

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yokotas13 Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Milford, CT Age: 36 Posts: 10,519 Trader Rating: (8) Rides Gallery: yokotas13 Feedback Score: 8 reviews	c-17s are the same way. but its liek 6 hours of maintenance for every 1 hour flown __________________ 2015 Subaru Outback Overlander - Wagonofdoom

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MADE Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Norf Norf Posts: 974 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	If that was the ratio for the C-17 don't even post the C-5 ratio. Love the comfort hate the fact when you need to go your probably not. __________________

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ThatGuy Admin Asshole Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Retired Age: 41 Posts: 20,394 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: ThatGuy Feedback Score: 0 reviews	One of my old babies. Not a fighter of course, but I'm damn proud of them and had to post. I'm an Instructor now, so I don't get as much time with them as I'd like. In a couple years I should be back to the Flight Line again. __________________ "Speak softly,..." -Pres. Teddy Roosevelt "Be polite, be professional, ..." -Gen. James Mattis

10-08-2009, 11:36 AM	#39
Brian Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: usa Posts: 12,840 Trader Rating: (54) Rides Gallery: Brian Feedback Score: 54 reviews	I looked for at least one of those at the show last weekend, but there were NONE to be found! __________________ http://bhworld.wordpress.com/

10-08-2009, 03:14 PM	#41
yokotas13 Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Milford, CT Age: 36 Posts: 10,519 Trader Rating: (8) Rides Gallery: yokotas13 Feedback Score: 8 reviews	i do <3 the ospreys look soooo cool __________________ 2015 Subaru Outback Overlander - Wagonofdoom

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exitspeed aWingThing.com Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Milwaukee, WI Age: 41 Posts: 20,898 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Jets are so damn cool. I used to live on the Air Force Base in Bitburg Germany when I was a kid. My mom was in the Air Force. I always wished I woulda went into the military as a pilot. __________________ What I do for a living...www.mhrussell.com

10-08-2009, 08:23 PM	#44
MADE Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Norf Norf Posts: 974 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I figured that would get your attention, but i expected you to get all heated over that. I know how you O level AC guys get. Were you Phrog guy before? __________________

10-08-2009, 08:27 PM	#45
ThatGuy Admin Asshole Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Retired Age: 41 Posts: 20,394 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: ThatGuy Feedback Score: 0 reviews	No, I was actually I-level in a different MOS. I respect the 46 though. I'd be crazy not to respect it after all these years. But I also realize it has to come to an end. __________________ "Speak softly,..." -Pres. Teddy Roosevelt "Be polite, be professional, ..." -Gen. James Mattis

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fliprayzin240sx Man w/ CTSV & a Car Seat Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 17,998 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: fliprayzin240sx Feedback Score: 19 reviews	Wait, Marine Corp's retiring the Sea Knights/Chinooks and replacing them with the Osprey?!?! What the hell are you guys gonna be using for heavy lifting??? I've ridden in an Army Chinook in Balad...that shit was not fucking fun for one reason...that shit was leaking hydraulic fluid all over the place. You kinda get worried when the load master for the helicopter tells you that's normal. __________________ If you think Zilvia has too many assholes... CLICK HERE!!!

10-09-2009, 02:33 AM	#48
dato Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: california Age: 34 Posts: 434 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	so what does it take to fly in the military? i know u need a college degree right? what else? score super high on the assestment test or what ever its called?

10-09-2009, 07:26 AM	#51
fliprayzin240sx Man w/ CTSV & a Car Seat Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 17,998 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: fliprayzin240sx Feedback Score: 19 reviews	I thought the Chinook was just the Army variant of the Sea Knight. They look identical to me. Also, I thought the Sea Knight was the heavy lifter, while the Super Stallion was the medium lift. Lastly, I just learned something new...didnt think that the Osprey was capable of lifting anything other than being a people mover. __________________ If you think Zilvia has too many assholes... CLICK HERE!!!

10-09-2009, 07:32 AM	#52
ThatGuy Admin Asshole Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Retired Age: 41 Posts: 20,394 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: ThatGuy Feedback Score: 0 reviews	CH-47 Chinook can handle roughly TWICE the weight of the CH-46 Sea Knight. There is a bit of a size difference between them, and numerous design differences. Versus __________________ "Speak softly,..." -Pres. Teddy Roosevelt "Be polite, be professional, ..." -Gen. James Mattis

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10-09-2009, 08:35 AM	#54
sidewaysil80 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: NoVA Age: 35 Posts: 1,710 Trader Rating: (23) Feedback Score: 23 reviews	THAT GUY: what are they replacing the 46's with? that sucks i popped my fast rope cherry outta the hell hole on one of them. i had never heard that they were being phased out BRIAN: i'm not sure if he still posts on here but "Eugene" (name on here) if i recall correctly was at one time part of the fighting 31. i know for a fact he working on the navy flight side at one point. and as far as favorite squadron...HANDS DOWN the 1st avg during wwII aka "THE FLYING TIGERS" they were basically volunteers (arguably mercenaries) that came from US NAVY,AIR FORCE,MARINES...they flew the reknown p40's with their trademark tiger teeth. they flew for china but repped the US lol and were eventually absored and changed into a couple US units. and i think its the 23rd fighter group are the direct descendants and the ONLY unit authorized to sport nose art/ESPECIALLY the flying tiger tiger teeth art. and the rad part is like 80% of them were all ace pilots...not too mention they had one of the raddest pilots ever...double ace david "tex" hill...look them up and their history if your a squadron buff brian, you will def be impressed.

10-09-2009, 09:37 AM	#60
ThatGuy Admin Asshole Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Retired Age: 41 Posts: 20,394 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: ThatGuy Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Try over 20 for the Osprey, and you really don't want to compare the 46's crash record. __________________ "Speak softly,..." -Pres. Teddy Roosevelt "Be polite, be professional, ..." -Gen. James Mattis

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