Japanese Drifting Vs. American Drifting - Page 4 - Zilvia.net Forums | Nissan 240SX (Silvia) and Z (Fairlady) Car Forum

ericcastro · 03-02-2011, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by silsx13

The "Answer"???? Are we now giving nicknames to drifters as it's done with NBA, NFL or NHL players??? haha....

Is Ross Petty the "slip knot" of drifting, or the "bob marley" then? lol

drift freaq · 03-02-2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by silsx13

Hit the nail on the head. Considering that if you get popped and have an SR swap, there's more hell to pay vs. just having an LS1 swap....plus cops might start gawking if they see good ol' American iron sitting in a Japanese chassis.

And from cost standpoint, I can see the LS1 being less in the long term concerning maintenance, parts, etc.

Btw Dave- What can you say about VQ swaps? Good bang for the buck or bust?

Hit the nail on the head again concerning LS1 swaps...

The "Answer"???? Are we now giving nicknames to drifters as it's done with NBA, NFL or NHL players??? haha....

Well Jon, VQ swaps are now becoming extremely affordable. With the flashing of ECU's wiring has become as easy as LS1 swaps. Costs have dropped dramatically as well.
LS1 swaps are still more popular because of the whole mystique and the fact that a lot of people have not realized how cheap the VQ swap is becoming.

Oh and the Answer? hahahahaha.

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Originally Posted by VQZ33

this is a real video of japanese drifters vs american drifters.... I'm not talking about millions of corporation dollars at work for those drift machines... this is stock car vs stock car enjoy gentlemen and let the truth be known...

YouTube - USA vs JAPAN - Drifting the Miata - Part 1/3

YouTube - USA vs JAPAN - Drifting the Miata - Part 2/3

YouTube - USA vs JAPAN - Drifting the Miata - Part 3/3

Hmmm , Ok let me tear this apart for shits and giggles...
First you take two American competition drivers one who is quite good(Rhys)one who is not bad (Ken Gushi) and then through in a Model/driver.

Then you take one of Japan's top drifters. Who most likely owns and drives a Miata or an AE86 on regular basis. I.E. familiarity with short wheel base cars.

Now lets get back to the those pesky Americans, Was Rhys really taking it seriously? Does he have experience in short wheel base cars? Same goes for Ken. Don't get me started on Verena , lol.

Would this be called fair? It could be if we knew the back story but we don't. I have outlined the scenario of the back story that is most likely true.

Is drifting a shorter wheel base car harder? Oh shit yes, Miata's are right up there with MR2's as some of the hardest cars to drift.

Does this prove Kazama is better? Maybe yes, that is a maybe. Why? Given the fact that Kazama has been driving longer than Gushi, Possibly longer than Millen,. Most likely has a lot more experience with under powered short wheel base cars.

I started out in Datsun 510's drifting them before the term was even coined as motorsports event. Can we say short wheelbase car? Can we say underpowered? Try drifting a short wheelbase underpowered car. Its a completely different ballgame.

Oh and 240Z's are not much better in the short wheel base department, they sure are a blast with the extra power oh and yes they do like to swap ends.

Seriously 510,S30, AE86, Miata, will all challenge you to be a better drifter.

I may just build a drift.... No better not say that, then everyone else will get the idea. LOL

Oh and yes 240sx's do make not so good drifters look decent and ok drifters great. Its a very forgiving platform that lends itself to drifting.

So I say that little You Tube segment is more or less Kazama grandstanding Japanese drifting.
Nothing wrong with that.

I would like to see him run up against Steve Kinser. Now I know a lot of you are saying WTF who the hell is Steve Kinser. Steve Kinser is just one of the best Super Modified drivers out there.

I would be willing to bet, even in an underpowered short wheelbase car Steve Kinser could give Kazama a real run for his money.

Though like I already said that video is not exactly scientifically accurate for the sake of shear accuracy. To many unknown variables that were not explained or illuminated.

VQZ33 · 03-02-2011, 12:27 PM

i had a 350z at one point... I hated the vq motor i literally thought it was absolute trash imho... therefore i sold it and got an s-chassis... besides that why would u want a v-6? a naturally unbalanced motor. to me its not a smooth motor at all although the torque down low was nice... but u have a s-chassis ur not lugging around a 3300-3500 lb car theres no need for all that torque unless u have a tire sponsor xD

*Wake* · 03-02-2011, 12:43 PM

So in other words the VQ is a perfect swap for a S-chassis drifter wanting to be competitive

VQZ33 · 03-02-2011, 12:53 PM

my above statement disagrees as drifting is about momentum and weight transfer not torque and hp...

*Wake* · 03-02-2011, 01:00 PM

And exactly how would torque not help momentum and weight transfer?

drift freaq · 03-02-2011, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by VQZ33

i had a 350z at one point... I hated the vq motor i literally thought it was absolute trash imho... therefore i sold it and got an s-chassis... besides that why would u want a v-6? a naturally unbalanced motor. to me its not a smooth motor at all although the torque down low was nice... but u have a s-chassis ur not lugging around a 3300-3500 lb car theres no need for all that torque unless u have a tire sponsor xD

Wow, unbalanced engine? Ah no its actually a quite smooth engine. V6's are far from unbalanced engine's. Oh and VQHR's are pretty dope engines.

Oh and S chassis actually is a great platform for 300whp engine. It handles the HP quite well.
In fact most people with SR's push for around those numbers anyways. Here and in Japan.
So that really contradicts your argument for the VQ not being and ideal powerplant for the car. Seeing as its stock at close to or just over 300HP which puts it at 235 whp. Hmm and extra torque for faster entry. Sounds like a winner to me. LOL

Oh and really you are going to try and compare a KA to a VQ? If that is what you are insinuating.
KA's are not exactly balanced smooth engines. LOL

Oh and yes I do feel the VQ is a good swap for an S chassis drifter wanting to be competitive.

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Originally Posted by VQZ33

my above statement disagrees as drifting is about momentum and weight transfer not torque and hp...

LOL Torque helps create momentum, Torque created over a period of time and transferred through ones drivetrain creates momentum, which can be used in weight transfer.
HP keeps that created momentum going.

This is simple Physics we are talking about.

VQZ33 · 03-02-2011, 01:01 PM

my above statement disagrees as drifting is about momentum and weight transfer not torque and hp... ex i should be able to pull the same angle from a stock ka 240sx as a swapped 240 with a vq... what makes someone more competitive cause they have a vq in there 240? if thats the case they need to improve there driving not there engine catch my drift? i seem to drift and get sideways with lots of angle plenty long enough with a stock red top... i dunno in my opinion my perspective is since ive been on boards for years and years is that Americans want power but when they get to a low powered car like the miata (in my earlier post i had a video) they cant seem to do it... i call that a lack of skill and finesse... u cannot make up skill, experience and finesse with horsepower and torque. Thats why the DK is so good he learned on a underpowered ae86 therefore improving driver skill...

FantasticVoyages · 03-02-2011, 01:05 PM

While outlaw dudes are decent drivers, they only turn left. No way is he linking turns with Kazama. He will get dookied on. Be seriouse.

VQZ33 · 03-02-2011, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by drift freaq

Wow, unbalanced engine? Ah no its actually a quite smooth engine. V6's are far from unbalanced engine's. Oh and VQHR's are pretty dope engines.

Oh and S chassis actually is a great platform for 300whp engine. It handles the HP quite well.
In fact most people with SR's push for around those numbers anyways. Here and in Japan.
So that really contradicts your argument for the VQ not being and ideal powerplant for the car. Seeing as its stock at close to or just over 300HP which puts it at 235 whp. Hmm and extra torque for faster entry. Sounds like a winner to me. LOL

Oh and really you are going to try and compare a KA to a VQ? If that is what you are insinuating.
KA's are not exactly balanced smooth engines. LOL

Oh and yes I do feel the VQ is a good swap for an S chassis drifter wanting to be competitive.

im simply referring to any firing order of any v-6 engine, as v6 engine are more naturally unbalance compared to a inline 4, inline 6, v-8, just think of the rotating assembly of the engine... and im not comparing vq to ka in any type of manner im saying u should be able to... if u know ur car and if u are indeed a good driver to keep up with that person wile in a tandem cause that extra power is only gonna help u so much... the point im making is that u dont need a shit ton of power to keep up with the big boys.... ive never had a problem with my stock red top keeping up witha ls1 240 or a vq 240 in a tandem and iven been around alot of them...

*Wake* · 03-02-2011, 01:15 PM

Who ever said you need a shit ton of power to be competitive?

And damn you Dave I wanted this guy to explain himself LOL

Im pretty sure eric surprised the shit out of some people at ASB with his skills with a KA. Your turning this conversation into something completely different than the original idea of the thread.

VQZ33 · 03-02-2011, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by drift freaq

LOL Torque helps create momentum, Torque created over a period of time and transferred through ones drivetrain creates momentum, which can be used in weight transfer.
HP keeps that created momentum going.

This is simple Physics we are talking about.

why do u need more torque? u cant kick clutch, cant feint, cant shift lock? cant hit the hand brake? there are plenty of other ways to disrupt momentum and inertia... lol not trying to sound like a dick but i know all about physics cause thats my major >_<

FantasticVoyages · 03-02-2011, 01:26 PM

Everyone remembers Pearl Harbor...

No one remembers what happened right after that...

Japan wins.

drift freaq · 03-02-2011, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by VQZ33

im simply referring to any firing order of any v-6 engine, as v6 engine are more naturally unbalance compared to a inline 4, inline 6, v-8, just think of the rotating assembly of the engine... and im not comparing vq to ka in any type of manner im saying u should be able to... if u know ur car and if u are indeed a good driver to keep up with that person wile in a tandem cause that extra power is only gonna help u so much... the point im making is that u dont need a shit ton of power to keep up with the big boys.... ive never had a problem with my stock red top keeping up witha ls1 240 or a vq 240 in a tandem and iven been around alot of them...

You know what we are getting off topic here. I have already stated that short wheelbase underpowered cars are harder to drift. I have experience in them as well. Do you?
You drive a 240sx, a forgiving drift car. I am not saying that you can't drift a KA or stock SR all I am saying is a VQ is a good alternative engine.

Fact is people Turbo their KA's and most people do not keep their SR's stock, here or in Japan. All I was saying was for reliable easy power the VQ puts you in the same ballpark as modified SR's while being completely stock. Oh and VQ's actually do run quite smooth and balanced. 3 liter ones especially.

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Originally Posted by VQZ33

why do u need more torque? u cant kick clutch, cant feint, cant shift lock? cant hit the hand brake? there are plenty of other ways to disrupt momentum and inertia... lol not trying to sound like a dick but i know all about physics cause thats my major >_<

Because Torque is fun, Torque is acceleration, Torque gets you going for faster entries.
Dude I have been driving longer than you have been alive. You are a kid and actually yes you are making yourself out to be dick, those are your own words. Not mine.

You are also possibly absent minded! Since you say Physics is your major and you earlier completely disregarded basic Physics in your explanation. Which A: made you look completely clueless and or B: in your case severely absent minded.

Perhaps the heat of the discussion has gone to your head? LOL

Oh and I am done because our discussion of this has actually taken us off the topic of the thread.
Please try and refrain from responding because of that.

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Originally Posted by FantasticVoyages

Everyone remembers Pearl Harbor...

No one remembers what happened right after that...

Japan wins.

Dude just shut the fuck up. What you wrote above has nothing to do with this thread whatsoever.
Take your political statements to Loud Noises.

VQZ33 · 03-02-2011, 01:37 PM

3 liters are vg's btw not vq i had a 92 300zx at one point was a blast...but yea i learned to drift on a 65 vw bug (was 15) i've had my fair share of tuned cars 14 different ones to be exact... yea its weird and yes we got off topic my apologies but just so u know an sr with "upped" boost, intake exhaust and what not should make about the same power as a vq and it would still be more reliable... from a former 350z owner there not good motors and thats MY opinion u might not feel the same but theres a reason why there in the g35 fx35 altima maxima blah blah blah if pure performance was in mind they wouldnt have used the vq... dont forget the 350z was designed in san diego for U.S market and the engine was a pure donor engine... thats why u see shops in japan doing rb swaps in them because thats an engine designed to take abuse/make power...

drift freaq · 03-02-2011, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by VQZ33

3 liters are vg's btw not vq i had a 92 300zx at one point was a blast...but yea i learned to drift on a 65 vw bug (was 15) i've had my fair share of tuned cars 14 different ones to be exact... yea its weird and yes we got off topic my apologies but just so u know an sr with "upped" boost, intake exhaust and what not should make about the same power as a vq and it would still be more reliable... from a former 350z owner there not good motors and thats MY opinion u might not feel the same but theres a reason why there in the g35 fx35 altima maxima blah blah blah if pure performance was in mind they wouldnt have used the vq... dont forget the 350z was designed in san diego for U.S market and the engine was a pure donor engine... thats why u see shops in japan doing rb swaps in them because thats an engine designed to take abuse/make power...

Dude you really are clueless and desire to make yourself look like an idiot. There are 3 liter VQ's here and in Japan. You really need to learn more about Nissan engines.

Oh and like said earlier Nismo's current and since 2004-5 6 cylinder of choice is the VQ30DETT do the research or shut up because now you are just making yourself look more ignorant.
Oh and the HR is no way shape or form a donor engine.

Oh and don't start down the RB is the shiznit road. yadayadayada.

Again this is completely off topic from the thread. Please stop.

Schassis707 · 03-02-2011, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by drift freaq

You know what we are getting off topic here. I have already stated that short wheelbase underpowered cars are harder to drift. I have experience in them as well. Do you?
You drive a 240sx, a forgiving drift car. I am not saying that you can't drift a KA or stock SR all I am saying is a VQ is a good alternative engine.

Fact is people Turbo their KA's and most people do not keep their SR's stock, here or in Japan. All I was saying was for reliable easy power the VQ puts you in the same ballpark as modified SR's while being completely stock. Oh and VQ's actually do run quite smooth and balanced. 3 liter ones especially.

Because Torque is fun, Torque is acceleration, Torque gets you going for faster entries.
Dude I have been driving longer than you have been alive. You are a kid and actually yes you are making yourself out to be dick, those are your own words. Not mine.

You are also possibly absent minded! Since you say Physics is your major and you earlier completely disregarded basic Physics in your explanation. Which A: made you look completely clueless and or B: in your case severely absent minded.

Perhaps the heat of the discussion has gone to your head? LOL

Oh and I am done because our discussion of this has actually taken us off the topic of the thread.
Please try and refrain from responding because of that.

Dude just shut the fuck up. What you wrote above has nothing to do with this thread whatsoever.
Take your political statements to Loud Noises.

Completly agree with EVERYTHING dave has said! I wonder how many people really have tried to even slide around let alone drift in a miata. Like dave said it is hardly bareable with such little wheel base. The car likes to just stay corrected. Even in my buddies boosted miata the initial power was easy to slide around but to hold them it takes alot of practice.

And to the VQ dude, the reason why you hate the vq was more than likely the fact it was a heavier car and pretty much the same hp/ weight ratio as a stock well running 240. My buddy had a g35 and well didnt feel much better than my 240 because of the weight.

Momentum is created from torque and with a VQ in the s-chassis you are also making it easier with a little extra weight up front. Thats another reason LSX is more common because it weighs just about the same as a KA.

Teddy · 03-02-2011, 01:58 PM

All I see in this thread is blah blah blah.

drift freaq · 03-02-2011, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Teddy

All I see in this thread is blah blah blah.

that's all you ever see Teddy. LOL J/K could not resist man .

FantasticVoyages · 03-02-2011, 02:03 PM

V6 motors are actually natrually balance. Six cylinders for that matter.
The early VQ's found in Maxima's were 3.0 also.

Drift Freaq you need to simmer down now. Typing way too much. Your credibility was lost when you started talking about Outlaw drivers.

VQZ33 · 03-02-2011, 02:05 PM

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...zdyno1copy.jpg
vq stock dyno

http://www.240sxforums.com/forums/sr...no-thread.html
sr with 12lbs of boost.... i see that vq is making so much more torque....???? yea i dunno...

the vq30dett is a jgtc engine... do u have one of those...??? no then wtf r u talking about do u know anyone with a vq30dett? nope!

agreed yes my z was heavy but im much more satisfied with a stock sr... and it feels so much more performance inspired than the vq... and so what the hr changed rods, cams and a couple other things.... does that mean its gonna hold up the same when ur keeping it at redline? no most likely not... yes they changed a few weak points of the de but the old galleries are the same the cooling channels are the same... im looking at my roomates black 08 nismo 350z right now theres a reason he only has 5k miles on it... does the engine scream performance? NO! he has a rb25 in his 240 and loves it so much more because it feels better, smoother, so many other reasons

VQZ33 · 03-02-2011, 02:09 PM

i guess it would be easier and simpler to say i feel as though nissan made the rb and sr with a sports car in mind... now when they made the 350z and brought back the z im assuming nissan was like... ohh fuck i dont wanna make another new engine for this car lets take a engine from another car with decent torque/hp and put it in here and change a few things... where as the sr20 developed with a sports car chassis in mind and rb with a sports car chassis in mind, not to mention a cast iron block vs an aluminum block which one is more durable i dunno u know physics so u should know the properties of metals and how they react to heat and such... u tell me?

the only way i can think of the vq being better is that it make torque down at low rpm but dude honestly when im going at it im not below 4k rpm therefore whats benefit does the vq provide when u already lost half of ur torque being at high rpm's?

drift freaq · 03-02-2011, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by FantasticVoyages

V6 motors are actually natrually balance. Six cylinders for that matter.
The early VQ's found in Maxima's were 3.0 also.

Drift Freaq you need to simmer down now. Typing way too much. Your credibility was lost when you started talking about Outlaw drivers.

Ah no, maybe you are binded by your own bias. I mentioned one driver. Who is badass. I really don't think you have anything to refute it. I am not really worked up either. I I am just making and proving points.

Oh and you are the one making stupid comments that have nothing to do with with anything.

When can you contribute you should. So far you have not.

Oh and VQZ33 like I already said we have gotten off topic we should refrain from posting if its not directly on topic.
I mean yes we could discuss the merits of engines but that has nothing to do with this thread at this point.

FantasticVoyages · 03-02-2011, 02:17 PM

Show me video of Cooter linking a course then maybe you can make a comparison to Kazama. Otherwise you are telling me Pele would have been a better running back than O.J. Simpson. Slippery slope.

Comment was a joke. Chill. But seriously, who remembers what happened after Pearl Harbor?

VQ I agree with you, but it may be up to personal preference. I've driven a VQ in a S-chassis and I hated it just as much as when it was in a Z.

simmode1 · 03-02-2011, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FantasticVoyages

Everyone remembers Pearl Harbor...

No one remembers what happened right after that...

Japan wins.

WTF? I remember what happened: The Atom bomb. What the hell is wrong with you?

Personally, I'd love a VQ powered 240. That swap makes the most sense to me to build a balanced car, whether its drift or grip...

drift freaq · 03-02-2011, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by FantasticVoyages

Show me video of Cooter linking a course then maybe you can make a comparison to Kazama. Otherwise you are telling me Pele would have been a better running back than O.J. Simpson. Slippery slope.

Comment was a joke. Chill. But seriously, who remembers what happened after Pearl Harbor?

VQ I agree with you, but it may be up to personal preference. I've driven a VQ in a S-chassis and I hated it just as much as when it was in a Z.

The point is this Steve Kinser can drive, give him the car and a bit of practice and I bet he could link a course.

As far as what happened after Pearl Harbor a lot of things. LOL that is topic for a whole other thread that would wind up in Loud Noises.

The engine thing is partly a personal preference and it also varies from VQ to VQ depending on the displacement and model.

This is all that needs to be said about it at this point as it again is topic for another discussion, like I told VQZ33.

Oh and I am chill. I actually enjoy good back and forth discussions. Which is why I let myself go farther than perhaps I should have here. I.E. responding to mr 33's statements because I felt I had too.

VQZ33 · 03-02-2011, 02:28 PM

back on topic i hope u guys enjoy the videos

*Wake* · 03-02-2011, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by VQZ33

i guess it would be easier and simpler to say i feel as though nissan made the rb and sr with a sports car in mind... now when they made the 350z and brought back the z im assuming nissan was like... ohh fuck i dont wanna make another new engine for this car lets take a engine from another car with decent torque/hp and put it in here and change a few things... where as the sr20 developed with a sports car chassis in mind and rb with a sports car chassis in mind, not to mention a cast iron block vs an aluminum block which one is more durable i dunno u know physics so u should know the properties of metals and how they react to heat and such... u tell me?

the only way i can think of the vq being better is that it make torque down at low rpm but dude honestly when im going at it im not below 4k rpm therefore whats benefit does the vq provide when u already lost half of ur torque being at high rpm's?

For somebody that has VQ in their screenname you sure dont know much about em.

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Originally Posted by Import Tuner

Looking for that dream VQ swap into your 240SX? Well, you can rule out the 3.8L mill of the 380RS right now; all were machined by Nismo from 3.5L VQ35DEs especially for the 380 and nothing else. No worries though-with 16 years' worth of VQs varying in displacement from 2.0 - 4.0L, made available in FWD, AWD and RWD configurations, and in both longitudinal an transverse orientations, you'll be able to find what you're looking for. The high-revving power of the short-stroke, 2.3L VQ23DE? The 4.0L VQ40DE's monster torque? The high compression, high-flowing cylinder heads of the VQ37VHR? A combination of the three, or more? The possibilities are nearly endless.

VQ20DE
Bore: 76.0 mm
Stroke: 73.3 mm
Compression: 9.5-10.0:1
Output: 150-160 hp
137-145 lb-ft of torque
Orientation: FF
Availability: '95-'03 Nissan Cefiro
'95-'99 Nissan QX

VQ23DE
Bore: 85.0 mm
Stroke: 69.0 mm
Compression: 9.0:1
Output: 171 hp
166 lb-ft of torque
Orientation: FF
Availability: '03-present Nissan Teana
'04-present Renault SM7

VQ25DE
Bore: 85.0 mm
Stroke: 73.3 mm
Compression: 9.8-10.0:1
Output: 190-210 hp
174–195 lb-ft of torque
Orientation: FF, FR, FAWD
Availability: '95-'98 Nissan Cefiro
00-'03 Nissan Cefiro
'96-'99 Nissan Leopard
'97-'99 Nissan Cedric
'04-'09 Nissan Fuga, Elgrand
'08-present Nissan Teana
Variants:
VQ25DET - Turbocharged; 8.5:1 compression; 280 hp / 300 lb-ft of torque; '01-'04 Nissan Stagea 250tRS

VQ25DD - NEO-Di direct fuel injection; eVTC variable valve timing; 11-11.3:1 compression; 210-212 hp / 195-199 lb-ft of torque; '99-'02 Nissan Cefiro; '99-'04 Nissan Cedroc/Gloria; '01-'06 Nissan Skyline V35; '01-present Nissan Stagea

VQ25HR - "High Response"; 10.3:1 compression; 220-222 hp / 194 lb-ft of torque; '06-present Nissan Skyline V36; '04-present Nissan Fuga

VQ30DE
Bore: 93.0 mm
Stroke: 73.3 mm
Compression: 10.0:1
Output: 190-230 hp / 205-217 lb-ft of torque
Orientation: FF / FAWD
Availability: '95-'98 Nissan Cefiro
'95-'99 Nissan QX
'95-'01 Nissan Maxima
'96-'01 Infiniti I30
'99-'03 Nissan Bassara
'98-'03 Nissan Presage
Variants:
VQ30DET - Turbocharged; 9.0:1 compression; 270-280 hp / 271-285 lb-ft of torque; '95-'04 Nissan Gloria, Cedric; '97-'99 Nissan Leopard; '01-present Nissan Cima

VQ30DETT - Twin-turbocharged; 470 hp; '03 Skyline GT-R JGTC race car; '04 Fairlady Z JGTC race car; '05-'06 Fairlady Z Super GT race car

VQ30DD - Direct injection; 11.0:1 compression; 230-260 hp / 217-239 lb-ft of torque; '97-'99 Nissan Leopard; '99-'04 Nissan Cedric, Gloria; '01-'04 Nissan Skyline V35, Stagea

VQ35DE
Bore: 95.5 mm
Stroke: 81.4 mm
Compression: 10.0-10.3:1
Output: 228-298 hp
246-268 lb-ft of torque
Orientation: FF, FR, FAWD
Availability: '01-'04 Nissan Pathfinder,Infiniti QX4
'02-'04 Infiniti I35
'02-present Nissan Altima, Maxima
'03-'06 Nissan 350Z, Infiniti G35
'03-'08 Infiniti FX35; Nissan Teana/Cefiro, Prestige; Renault Escape
'03-present Nissan Murano
'04-present Nissan Quest
'06-'08 Nissan M35
'00-present Nissan Elgrand
'01-present Nissan Stagea; Renault Vel Satis
'02-present Skyline V35
'04-'07 Nissan Fuga
'05-present Nismo Fairlady Z S-Tune GT
'06-present Renault SM7
'08-present Renault Laguna Coupe
Variants:
VQ35HR - "High Response"; 10.6:1 compression; 297-311 hp / 268 lb-ft of torque; '07-'08 Infiniti G35, Nissan 350Z; '07-present Nissan Skyline V36; '08-present Nissan Fuga; Infiniti EX35, FX35, M35

VQ37VHR
Bore: 95.5 mm
Stroke: 86 mm
Compression: 11.0:1
Output: 328-350 hp / 269 lb-ft
Orientation: FR, FAWD
Availability: '08-present Infiniti G37; Nissan Skyline V36
'09-present Infiniti FX37, EX37; Nissan 370Z, Nismo 370Z
'10-present Infinity M37
VQ40DE
Bore: 95.5 mm
Stroke: 92.0 mm
Compression: 9.7:1
Output: 264-269 hp / 284 lb-ft
Orientation: FR, FAWD
Availability: '05-present Nissan Frontier, Xterra, Pathfinder
'09-present Suzuki Equator

Looks like it was used in plenty of performance apps to me.

Seriously tho this is waaaaaaay off topic. This thread is about american drifting skill vs japanese.

And Im pretty sure all the major point have been discussed. And fottnoted by me if you look through the thread. so please just take your un-informed, opinionated, thread shitting, to another thread.

FantasticVoyages · 03-02-2011, 02:31 PM

Steve Kinsler is a good driver. But what he does is so different to drifting.

What America prefers to see vs. what Japan wants to see will be different. Hence why the judging is different.

BUT. If you put the best US drivers against the best Japanese drivers up where drifting supposedly started on the mountain roads in the same cars??

I have no bias but I would put my money Japan. Whatever reason that is the fact.

vq35hrNismo · 03-02-2011, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by drift freaq

Wow, unbalanced engine? Ah no its actually a quite smooth engine. V6's are far from unbalanced engine's. Oh and VQHR's are pretty dope engines.

Oh and S chassis actually is a great platform for 300whp engine. It handles the HP quite well.
In fact most people with SR's push for around those numbers anyways. Here and in Japan.
So that really contradicts your argument for the VQ not being and ideal powerplant for the car. Seeing as its stock at close to or just over 300HP which puts it at 235 whp. Hmm and extra torque for faster entry. Sounds like a winner to me. LOL

Oh and really you are going to try and compare a KA to a VQ? If that is what you are insinuating.
KA's are not exactly balanced smooth engines. LOL

Oh and yes I do feel the VQ is a good swap for an S chassis drifter wanting to be competitive.

LOL Torque helps create momentum, Torque created over a period of time and transferred through ones drivetrain creates momentum, which can be used in weight transfer.
HP keeps that created momentum going.

This is simple Physics we are talking about.

Aight man. You cant mistake "smooth motor" from the Z from the chassis it self dampening most of the shock through bushings and such. V6 motors ARE IN FACT naturally unbalanced due to the length of the Crank. The KA is a motor where nissan didn't bother shipping the crank out to fine balance like they did with the RB and SR motors. WHY!? its a N/A. Same goes to a VQ. A lot of money and effort goes into balancing your rotating assembly that due to the change in times economy and emissions Nissan didn't make the VQ motor that special. IMO the VQ feels like a truck motor/eco motor. Its hits torque early in the RPM band like i would want my truck to do. The VQ drops enough near redline where the torque matches that of the SR.

but like dude..you holding your drift at 2k rpm? you entering the corner at 25-30mph? id then understand why you want more torque. Im not the best driver but i sure as hell spin out more in my Z than i do in my 240 wid the rb25. My prefrence is id want a little less torque down low and match it up higher.

Torque isn't the main factor in drifting. Its an excuse ive seen people make to make up for their sloppy entrances/lines. Yes torque helps create momentum. but its actually an application of velocity.

IMO if someone wanted more torque they didn't want to drift better. they wanted to throw more smoke up. Which is opinion of america vs japan. More smoke is more baller

03-02-2011, 12:43 PM	#94
Wake Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Cruz, ca Age: 38 Posts: 6,699 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	So in other words the VQ is a perfect swap for a S-chassis drifter wanting to be competitive __________________ S.P.P.S. Member #00 CoUpe LOve Member #00

03-02-2011, 01:00 PM	#96
Wake Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Cruz, ca Age: 38 Posts: 6,699 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	And exactly how would torque not help momentum and weight transfer? __________________ S.P.P.S. Member #00 CoUpe LOve Member #00

03-02-2011, 01:15 PM	#101
Wake Premium Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Santa Cruz, ca Age: 38 Posts: 6,699 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	Who ever said you need a shit ton of power to be competitive? And damn you Dave I wanted this guy to explain himself LOL Im pretty sure eric surprised the shit out of some people at ASB with his skills with a KA. Your turning this conversation into something completely different than the original idea of the thread. __________________ S.P.P.S. Member #00 CoUpe LOve Member #00

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03-02-2011, 12:27 PM	#93
VQZ33 Leaky Injector Join Date: May 2009 Location: Long Beach Age: 33 Posts: 74 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	i had a 350z at one point... I hated the vq motor i literally thought it was absolute trash imho... therefore i sold it and got an s-chassis... besides that why would u want a v-6? a naturally unbalanced motor. to me its not a smooth motor at all although the torque down low was nice... but u have a s-chassis ur not lugging around a 3300-3500 lb car theres no need for all that torque unless u have a tire sponsor xD

03-02-2011, 12:53 PM	#95
VQZ33 Leaky Injector Join Date: May 2009 Location: Long Beach Age: 33 Posts: 74 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	my above statement disagrees as drifting is about momentum and weight transfer not torque and hp...

03-02-2011, 01:01 PM	#98
VQZ33 Leaky Injector Join Date: May 2009 Location: Long Beach Age: 33 Posts: 74 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	my above statement disagrees as drifting is about momentum and weight transfer not torque and hp... ex i should be able to pull the same angle from a stock ka 240sx as a swapped 240 with a vq... what makes someone more competitive cause they have a vq in there 240? if thats the case they need to improve there driving not there engine catch my drift? i seem to drift and get sideways with lots of angle plenty long enough with a stock red top... i dunno in my opinion my perspective is since ive been on boards for years and years is that Americans want power but when they get to a low powered car like the miata (in my earlier post i had a video) they cant seem to do it... i call that a lack of skill and finesse... u cannot make up skill, experience and finesse with horsepower and torque. Thats why the DK is so good he learned on a underpowered ae86 therefore improving driver skill...

03-02-2011, 01:05 PM	#99
FantasticVoyages Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Cheltenham Age: 37 Posts: 90 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	While outlaw dudes are decent drivers, they only turn left. No way is he linking turns with Kazama. He will get dookied on. Be seriouse.

03-02-2011, 01:26 PM	#103
FantasticVoyages Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Cheltenham Age: 37 Posts: 90 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Everyone remembers Pearl Harbor... No one remembers what happened right after that... Japan wins.

03-02-2011, 01:37 PM	#105
VQZ33 Leaky Injector Join Date: May 2009 Location: Long Beach Age: 33 Posts: 74 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	3 liters are vg's btw not vq i had a 92 300zx at one point was a blast...but yea i learned to drift on a 65 vw bug (was 15) i've had my fair share of tuned cars 14 different ones to be exact... yea its weird and yes we got off topic my apologies but just so u know an sr with "upped" boost, intake exhaust and what not should make about the same power as a vq and it would still be more reliable... from a former 350z owner there not good motors and thats MY opinion u might not feel the same but theres a reason why there in the g35 fx35 altima maxima blah blah blah if pure performance was in mind they wouldnt have used the vq... dont forget the 350z was designed in san diego for U.S market and the engine was a pure donor engine... thats why u see shops in japan doing rb swaps in them because thats an engine designed to take abuse/make power...

03-02-2011, 02:03 PM	#110
FantasticVoyages Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Cheltenham Age: 37 Posts: 90 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	V6 motors are actually natrually balance. Six cylinders for that matter. The early VQ's found in Maxima's were 3.0 also. Drift Freaq you need to simmer down now. Typing way too much. Your credibility was lost when you started talking about Outlaw drivers.

03-02-2011, 02:05 PM	#111
VQZ33 Leaky Injector Join Date: May 2009 Location: Long Beach Age: 33 Posts: 74 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f3...zdyno1copy.jpg vq stock dyno http://www.240sxforums.com/forums/sr...no-thread.html sr with 12lbs of boost.... i see that vq is making so much more torque....???? yea i dunno... the vq30dett is a jgtc engine... do u have one of those...??? no then wtf r u talking about do u know anyone with a vq30dett? nope! agreed yes my z was heavy but im much more satisfied with a stock sr... and it feels so much more performance inspired than the vq... and so what the hr changed rods, cams and a couple other things.... does that mean its gonna hold up the same when ur keeping it at redline? no most likely not... yes they changed a few weak points of the de but the old galleries are the same the cooling channels are the same... im looking at my roomates black 08 nismo 350z right now theres a reason he only has 5k miles on it... does the engine scream performance? NO! he has a rb25 in his 240 and loves it so much more because it feels better, smoother, so many other reasons

03-02-2011, 02:09 PM	#112
VQZ33 Leaky Injector Join Date: May 2009 Location: Long Beach Age: 33 Posts: 74 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	i guess it would be easier and simpler to say i feel as though nissan made the rb and sr with a sports car in mind... now when they made the 350z and brought back the z im assuming nissan was like... ohh fuck i dont wanna make another new engine for this car lets take a engine from another car with decent torque/hp and put it in here and change a few things... where as the sr20 developed with a sports car chassis in mind and rb with a sports car chassis in mind, not to mention a cast iron block vs an aluminum block which one is more durable i dunno u know physics so u should know the properties of metals and how they react to heat and such... u tell me? the only way i can think of the vq being better is that it make torque down at low rpm but dude honestly when im going at it im not below 4k rpm therefore whats benefit does the vq provide when u already lost half of ur torque being at high rpm's?

03-02-2011, 02:17 PM	#114
FantasticVoyages Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Cheltenham Age: 37 Posts: 90 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Show me video of Cooter linking a course then maybe you can make a comparison to Kazama. Otherwise you are telling me Pele would have been a better running back than O.J. Simpson. Slippery slope. Comment was a joke. Chill. But seriously, who remembers what happened after Pearl Harbor? VQ I agree with you, but it may be up to personal preference. I've driven a VQ in a S-chassis and I hated it just as much as when it was in a Z.

03-02-2011, 02:28 PM	#117
VQZ33 Leaky Injector Join Date: May 2009 Location: Long Beach Age: 33 Posts: 74 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	back on topic i hope u guys enjoy the videos

03-02-2011, 02:31 PM	#119
FantasticVoyages Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Cheltenham Age: 37 Posts: 90 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Steve Kinsler is a good driver. But what he does is so different to drifting. What America prefers to see vs. what Japan wants to see will be different. Hence why the judging is different. BUT. If you put the best US drivers against the best Japanese drivers up where drifting supposedly started on the mountain roads in the same cars?? I have no bias but I would put my money Japan. Whatever reason that is the fact.