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kawika219 · 10-23-2007, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by drftwerks

fuck all this bolt in cage is dangerous talk,

this is what happens w/o cage,

and thats why i ordered the saftey 21 for my FC

with stock seatbelts i can almost guarantee thast you would have hit your head on the cage

drftwerks · 10-23-2007, 12:10 PM

well full stock car, yes

fc = buckets harness super low rails, blah blah blha

B Love · 10-23-2007, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by kawika219

you kidding me right? it like football, you can still get a concussion if you get hit hard enough, even though you have a helmet.

Retard when is the last time you seen football players in a seat with harnesses. Plus driving helmet has way more padding than a football helmet. If you have a decent cage your head will be no where near any poles

kawika219 · 10-23-2007, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by B Love

Retard when is the last time you seen football players in a seat with harnesses. Plus driving helmet has way more padding than a football helmet. If you have a decent cage your head will be no where near any poles

i was comparing idiot. in other words, a helmet WONT protect you from ALL head injuries. the cage the guy had was a cusco i think

Koopa Troopa · 10-23-2007, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ep510

Incident in the downhill at Limerock park (a racetrack in NW CT for those that may not know). --Car checked up in front of him, lost control impacted tirewall--bounced and impacted an earth berm. When it stopped-His head impacted the roll cage that all the experts on here state it cannot do. And yes he was in a 5 pt harness --properly installed.

the first impact stretched the belts --and when the car moved again and then impacted --they were not tight to keep him from moving.

You don't get it do you? You're stating shit we all know. We just don't want to view it that way. If a race car driver sat there and wondered, "OMG that's dangerous" he'd never get anywhere in life. I put my 180 into a guardrail at 100 clicks... I hit my knee on the front bar of the cage, it hurt. It wasn't the end of the world.

Hell, I hit my head on that same cage in my car when it was installed in a friend's S14, it hurt. It wasn't the end of the world.

Balls, they're great. You should try them out sometime.

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I will not bother with the story of the GT3 Porsche this past weekend --With the FIA seats and the instructor in the car has the scuffs on his helmet where his head impacted the roll cage. ( Also at Lime Rock Park)

WTF are FIA seats? The Recaro SPG in my car has a FIA certification sticker on it. Does that make my car as special as that GT3 Porsche?

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Listen to the other guys on here --I assume they have real world experience too. More than mine, I am sure. Or listen to the safety rules of the racing organizations.

What does that have to do with anything? I've never driven on a track and if I continue to live in Okinawa I never will.

BTW I never said your head couldn't hit the cage, I was arguing that was a moronic reason to not buy a cage. I hit my head on the cage in my 180 all the time when traffic was backed up.

ep510 · 10-23-2007, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Koopa Troopa

I've never driven on a track and if I continue to live in Okinawa I never will.

.

Well this kind of says it all --now doesn't it. But you feel you are equipped to give advice on running a car with a full cage on the street without a helmet.

OK --I get it.

As for the Balls --who is the one who has not run on a race track? If you had you would realize you need to minimize the risk--but can never eliminate it.

I will take Brains and Balls over just Balls.

Koopa Troopa · 10-23-2007, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ep510

Well this kind of says it all --now doesn't it. But you feel you are equipped to give advice on running a car with a full cage on the street without a helmet.

OK --I get it.

As for the Balls --who is the one who has not run on a race track? If you had you would realize you need to minimize the risk--but can never eliminate it.

I will take Brains and Balls over just Balls.

Do yourself afavor and google "race tracks on Okinawa"

sideview_180sx · 10-23-2007, 07:22 PM

i think he doesn't realize oki is the island covered surrounded by crushed seashells, F22s over there and laid back atmosphere

MeSs · 10-26-2007, 06:17 PM

Well, im happy i had my cusco 6 point..

Jdotsturn · 10-26-2007, 07:59 PM

What about these cages?

http://www.swracecars.com/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=97&cat=Datsun%2FNissan

JRas · 10-26-2007, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by MeSs

Well, im happy i had my cusco 6 point..

I was expecting to see a picture of the cage in your car. This is way cooler....

Koopa Troopa · 10-26-2007, 09:12 PM

OMG I'm suprised you arn't dead because Cusco cages arn't safety items!!!!!!!1

JRas · 10-26-2007, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Koopa Troopa

OMG I'm suprised you arn't dead because Cusco cages arn't safety items!!!!!!!1

I was under the impression that is what they were designed to be? unless they were designed to hang ornaments on I am stumped

OR were you just bashing Cusco?

Skullavera · 10-26-2007, 09:43 PM

He was being sarcastic.....

sideview_180sx · 10-27-2007, 05:43 AM

As I stated earlier. Those outside of american see the gains with such devices. Idiots in america find a way to maim and permanently relocate physical attributes.

I wouldn't doubt cusco cages aren't safe. However they do not meet SCCA/NASA specs, and IMO thats for a specific reason.

BTW no one mentioned the fact that the nature of chromoly in an accident is to shear rather then bend. Another reason why in some sanctioned bodies main bars of cages cannot be made of chromoly.

ep510 · 10-27-2007, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by sideview_180sx

As I stated earlier. Those outside of american see the gains with such devices. Idiots in america find a way to maim and permanently relocate physical attributes.

I wouldn't doubt cusco cages aren't safe. However they do not meet SCCA/NASA specs, and IMO thats for a specific reason.

BTW no one mentioned the fact that the nature of chromoly in an accident is to shear rather then bend. Another reason why in some sanctioned bodies main bars of cages cannot be made of chromoly.

I am not sure if people will understand your point, but it was a very good one. To add to it --in most American motorsports you have to outlaw some equipment to satisfy the legal teams and regulate in the better stuff. ie: DOM vs ERW tubing.

Wiisass · 10-27-2007, 10:14 AM

I think the phasing out of chromoly through a lot of motorsports sanctioning bodies also has to do with improper installation. With chromoly, you need to heat treat the weld area after welding in order to get the strength of the joint back to what it was before welding. After welding and without heat treat, the chromoly is weaker than mild steel of the same size. So with a thinner wall on the chromoly, you end up with something even weaker than a proper mild steel cage. And without heat treating, this joint is very brittle and will crack around the weld before it bends like sideview180sx was saying.

Tim

projectRDM · 10-27-2007, 03:46 PM

I love how everyone's idea of racing is only drifting, like no other form of motorsport exists. This "If Formula D approves it, it must be the shit" attitude is hilarious. Note to everyone posting, a LOT of people do NOT drift, whether for fun or professionally. I autocross and road race, nothing else, so *if* I was to have a cage it would have to be SCCA compliant. Cusco makes a good piece, there's no question about that, but for people who do more than slide around a track at low speeds and burn up tires it's not legal, therefore it's of no value.

You guys can go back to the bickering now.

Koopa Troopa · 10-27-2007, 07:50 PM

I don't drift...................

inertiaticism · 10-27-2007, 09:54 PM

Yes, but you only street drive, since there are apparently no tracks in oki.

What he's trying to say is that regardless of how great the Cusco cage is it doesn't matter a fucking bit if your sanctioning body requires something different.
Cusco quality or not, you don't get to run if your car doesn't pass tech.
I would love to just get a Safety21 but it won't do me a bit of good for what I am planning on doing with my car since it would never make it onto the track to flip over and prove how great the cage is.

mobceo · 10-27-2007, 10:15 PM

I have the S&W 12 point DOM. I love it, it fit very well with out the int in the car . Its the best bang for the buck. And I just won Drift411 southeast FD Proam with it in the car lol. Now I am headed out to vages wish me luck!!

MeSs · 10-28-2007, 07:15 AM

My cage saved my car, the only thing i had to do to smoothen out the car was to change the roof plate.. none of the windows/etc cracked..

MeSs · 10-31-2007, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by JRas

I was expecting to see a picture of the cage in your car. This is way cooler....

This is even cooler.. Wait until the end.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v4...rrent=Film.flv

JRas · 10-31-2007, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MeSs

This is even cooler.. Wait until the end.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v4...rrent=Film.flv

haha that tow truck was screaming your name

would of liked to see a closer view and non-shaky camera though

edit: btw nice drifting look better than most of the people I see in videos ( I don't drift )

bigOdom1 · 11-01-2007, 01:03 AM

i still say that most cages dont belong on the street or without a helmet

MeSs · 11-01-2007, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JRas

haha that tow truck was screaming your name

would of liked to see a closer view and non-shaky camera though

edit: btw nice drifting look better than most of the people I see in videos ( I don't drift )

Haha

You can actually see the cage in the roof!

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Originally Posted by bigodom1

i still say that most cages dont belong on the street or without a helmet

I totally agree.. But padding helps alot

slideways2004 · 11-03-2007, 03:20 PM

so anybody have any info on this? i may try it out. lol
http://www.swracecars.com/shopdispla...atsun%2FNissan

B Love · 11-03-2007, 03:32 PM

That price is really cheap. There has to be a reason for that

JRas · 11-03-2007, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bigodom1

i still say that most cages dont belong on the street or without a helmet

True, but for people who's dailies are also there track slut they don't have much of a choice.

B Love · 11-03-2007, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JRas

True, but for people who's dailies are also there track slut they don't have much of a choice.

If you have a saftey 21 or cusco the front bar comes out. then you dont have to worry about it

10-23-2007, 12:10 PM	#92
drftwerks Nissanaholic! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: california Posts: 2,343 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	well full stock car, yes fc = buckets harness super low rails, blah blah blha __________________ giantroboteyes.wordpress.com/

10-23-2007, 07:22 PM	#98
sideview_180sx Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: somewhere north of mexico Posts: 1,538 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	i think he doesn't realize oki is the island covered surrounded by crushed seashells, F22s over there and laid back atmosphere __________________ feel the rythym. feel the ride. get on up. it's bobsled time. COOL RUNNINGS!!! formerly sideviewcivic Save a Horse. Drift This Cowboy. AirBag Club Member #0014

10-26-2007, 06:17 PM	#99
MeSs Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Norway Age: 35 Posts: 345 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Well, im happy i had my cusco 6 point.. __________________ 2011 BMW F11 5-series and 2003 Nissan 350Z

10-26-2007, 09:12 PM	#102
Koopa Troopa Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: 北谷著, 沖縄県、日本 Posts: 2,565 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	OMG I'm suprised you arn't dead because Cusco cages arn't safety items!!!!!!!1 __________________ Buy my Stillway shifter!

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Jdotsturn Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: 909 Age: 33 Posts: 559 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	What about these cages? http://www.swracecars.com/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=97&cat=Datsun%2FNissan

10-27-2007, 05:43 AM	#105
sideview_180sx Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: somewhere north of mexico Posts: 1,538 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	As I stated earlier. Those outside of american see the gains with such devices. Idiots in america find a way to maim and permanently relocate physical attributes. I wouldn't doubt cusco cages aren't safe. However they do not meet SCCA/NASA specs, and IMO thats for a specific reason. BTW no one mentioned the fact that the nature of chromoly in an accident is to shear rather then bend. Another reason why in some sanctioned bodies main bars of cages cannot be made of chromoly. __________________ feel the rythym. feel the ride. get on up. it's bobsled time. COOL RUNNINGS!!! formerly sideviewcivic Save a Horse. Drift This Cowboy. AirBag Club Member #0014

10-27-2007, 10:14 AM	#107
Wiisass Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Philly Posts: 486 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I think the phasing out of chromoly through a lot of motorsports sanctioning bodies also has to do with improper installation. With chromoly, you need to heat treat the weld area after welding in order to get the strength of the joint back to what it was before welding. After welding and without heat treat, the chromoly is weaker than mild steel of the same size. So with a thinner wall on the chromoly, you end up with something even weaker than a proper mild steel cage. And without heat treating, this joint is very brittle and will crack around the weld before it bends like sideview180sx was saying. Tim __________________ TIP Engineering R/T Tuning Drift and RWD Sport DriftAssNation

10-27-2007, 03:46 PM	#108
projectRDM Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta Age: 47 Posts: 13,812 Trader Rating: (12) Feedback Score: 12 reviews	I love how everyone's idea of racing is only drifting, like no other form of motorsport exists. This "If Formula D approves it, it must be the shit" attitude is hilarious. Note to everyone posting, a LOT of people do NOT drift, whether for fun or professionally. I autocross and road race, nothing else, so if I was to have a cage it would have to be SCCA compliant. Cusco makes a good piece, there's no question about that, but for people who do more than slide around a track at low speeds and burn up tires it's not legal, therefore it's of no value. You guys can go back to the bickering now. __________________ FORMERLY R240NA Learn what's really going on and protect your assets now before they're gone forever: www.paypalsucks.com

10-27-2007, 07:50 PM	#109
Koopa Troopa Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: 北谷著, 沖縄県、日本 Posts: 2,565 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I don't drift................... __________________ Buy my Stillway shifter!

10-27-2007, 09:54 PM	#110
inertiaticism Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Charlotte, NC Age: 38 Posts: 320 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yes, but you only street drive, since there are apparently no tracks in oki. What he's trying to say is that regardless of how great the Cusco cage is it doesn't matter a fucking bit if your sanctioning body requires something different. Cusco quality or not, you don't get to run if your car doesn't pass tech. I would love to just get a Safety21 but it won't do me a bit of good for what I am planning on doing with my car since it would never make it onto the track to flip over and prove how great the cage is.

10-27-2007, 10:15 PM	#111
mobceo Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: memphis Posts: 15 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I have the S&W 12 point DOM. I love it, it fit very well with out the int in the car . Its the best bang for the buck. And I just won Drift411 southeast FD Proam with it in the car lol. Now I am headed out to vages wish me luck!!

10-28-2007, 07:15 AM	#112
MeSs Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Norway Age: 35 Posts: 345 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	My cage saved my car, the only thing i had to do to smoothen out the car was to change the roof plate.. none of the windows/etc cracked.. __________________ 2011 BMW F11 5-series and 2003 Nissan 350Z

11-01-2007, 01:03 AM	#115
bigOdom1 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Auburn/Birmingham AL Age: 37 Posts: 1,817 Trader Rating: (4) Rides Gallery: bigOdom1 Feedback Score: 4 reviews	i still say that most cages dont belong on the street or without a helmet __________________ my car domain that good review thread

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slideways2004 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Houston Age: 35 Posts: 1,706 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	so anybody have any info on this? i may try it out. lol http://www.swracecars.com/shopdispla...atsun%2FNissan

11-03-2007, 03:32 PM	#118
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