RalliartRsX

The only unreliable SRs are the ones
1) Built by idiots (there is a FSM for a reason)
2) Bang off the rev limiter umpteen times a lap
3) Built by just throwing bearings in without any actual measuring of any components.
4) Expect a 20 year old engine at it's youngest to just be slapped in, crank the boost up and beat to hell.

None of those scenarios mean it is a bad engine. Fix the rocker arm issue and move along

My past 3 SRs did well on many a track days no problem. Stop banging them off of limiters.......or fortify the head....or just go VE.

Everyone loves to bag on the SR but unwilling to fix it's deficiencies as every engine has them.

The LS for instance needs at minimum an Accusump. Many just forgo and go to a dry sump.

The only people I see bag on SRs regularly are drifters........and they use this as an excuse to go LS....like they didn't want to go LS to begin with

DRIFTER-M

NS if this is in reply to my post, I am a proud SR owner - simply saying, there are more reliable and frankly better motors available today for around the current price of a SR, especially if your primary goal is drifting.

Not trying to rip the SR, again <--- owner of one I have put 10k into, just stating facts; LS1, 2JZ, RB25 all superior in some ways, and with today's SR inflation, it's hard to completely justify an SR purchase over those options ^

I wasn't intending it as a slam. Mine is fully built on a super conservative 16PSI tune that runs 3xx HP. It's plenty quick for me, personally.

Just saying that with today's price due to increasing rarity of sources and inflation of popularity - there are better motors for similar $, especially if your primary goal is drifting. I addressed this in my above post, which I would have multi-quoted by I didn't see your post at the time.

I am full of SR <3, don't get me wrong. It's a solid motor, just I believe there are more solid options today that tend to push it aside (and for a reason).

Still SR <3 all day from me though. It makes pretty sounds.

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RalliartRsX

^^ Wasn't directed at you just in general

Every engine has it's nuances. Just gotta fix them and move one considering end goal.

For a balanced track setup?? I wouldn't look much futher than a EFR powered VET. The added weight of the iron block straight 6 is a non starter. Also, a LS anything is going to require rethinking the oiling system.

However, if I am drifting. Any one of a number of LS, RB, JZ or whatever other alphabet soup you want to throw in is good to go

DRIFTER-M

Concur!

Drifting has always been my main squeeze, and again - I am a purist through and through which I why I have a SR. I do get jealous of the easy gaines and throttle play of my v8 friends though from time to time lol.

Most of my SR issues were due to a certain shop that decided to steal parts of my car without permission and was DOWN RIGHT FRAUDULENT when I had health issues and couldn't do certain work myself, but I digress. Sucks when a member off a local facebook group contacts you about what they witnessed at said shop, and there really wasn't much I could do about it without getting involved in court. Can't get that money back and won't bad mouth them by name as I don't believe in that.

Outside of that, the motor has been darn good even with some abuse. I wouldn't ever talk someone out of one, just I recognize the fact that the ease of access and "domination" of the SR with the S-chassis has become a thing of the past to some degree. That's change, I suppose, which is of course inevitable.

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jdm_land

Agreed. My first SR was a S15 swap. I drove that car around everywhere for 5 years and never had 1 issue. I broke 2 transmissions but the engine was solid. Had normal mods, running 18 psi with a PowerFc. I ended up parting out the car and selling the swap. I currently have another s15 swap I’m getting ready now.

The down side to SRs are you have to build them pretty good to make high HP. People want to bolt on 800hp and never see the machine shop.

Mazworx has proven the SR can run with the best........ if your pockets are deep enough.

RalliartRsX

To be fair, a reliable 800 engine is not going to be cheap

And no junkyard v8 don't apply. As stated reliable

jdm_land

I thought the JZ, RB and LS could handle 800ish with stock internals; big turbo, fuel system and standalone.

And I believe reliability has to do a lot with how you drive the car and keeping up with routine maintenance.

RalliartRsX

Its not that simple. If it was, there would be alot (and instagram/youtube doesnt count) of them running around like Hondas. To support enough fuel for 800HP for instance, you are looking at spending a few thousand dollars in injectors, twin pumps, lines, fittings, surge tank, etc etc. That's more than people spend on buying an entire 240.

Reliable 800 is NOT the same as banging out one dyno 800HP session. Not to be offensive, but not remotely close if we are talking about reliability, functional power.

Reliability has ALOT to do with initial prep prior to actual maintenance/driving. 800HP generates ALOT of heat for instance. Another few thousand in proper cooling system in order to shed 800HP for a reliable setup.

You can see how this becomes a propagating effect.

Don't let 800 youtube and instagram posts fool you

jdm_land

Your right. A dyno queen is a lot different then a sit in traffic car.

I understand reliable 800 requires some extra attention to detail and in depth knowledge of what you are doing. I just don’t think it takes as much money to get there with a JZ, RB, or LS compared to starting with a SR20.

A metric ton of money is wasted when people pay shops to put together their car. That is usually where a lot of money goes. On top of that most the builds are still janky after it’s said and done. I ONLY trust myself to touch my car.

If someone is capable, has the knowledge and has the correct tools, they can put together a reliable 800hp engine for around $8-10k. Maybe even cheaper if you can fab and weld. Like myself.

People pay shops close to that kinda money to swap a Sr20det with the normal bolt ons.



Great conversations I like

Future240

Since we are talking engine's. Given today's prices what would yall swap in for a street machine/DDish car?


I've always dreamed of an RB powered car with AC, heat and all that, but it seems like a tall order without dropping 10-15k.


The notchop sr (I have an S14) seems like it would meet all these criteria fairly easy. The issue is it seems I would be remiss to trust an engine without a rebuild.

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RalliartRsX

I would drop in a S15, but those engines are 3-4K. But you get the peace of mind of a newer engine

If I was to do it, 2JZ and done. Parts available. Not as many issues as the RB. Can retain AC. Has the 3 liter torque. You do not have to touch the internals for anything. I am a Nissan man in and out, but not if parts pull a premium before race wars.........or I have to overnight parts from Japan especially if its a car I drive regularly. No thanks.....

If worried about emission; slap in a LS or ERod and done.

jdm_land

So since you mentioned this I started a little research on production numbers.

Before that I’ll mention this, I just paid $3200 for a complete S15 swap with a brand new Driftworks duelmass delete flywheel. I went to Orlando and actually drove the S15 before purchasing the engine to verify all was good. They pulled it out and I picked it up next day.

On to numbers, I’m just going to keep it simple. I’ll post the links below, there is way to much info to post here. Very interesting information about rare Silvia’s and colors. I also didn’t notice a link for s14’s. In any case there should still be a good number of Silvia’s running around......for now. I now am wondering how many Sr20det and Silvia’s have been brought to the states over the past 15ish years. 20,000, 30,000 engines? Maybe a couple hundred Silvias.

Total S15 built 43097 S15s (41954 coupe and 1143 convertible)
38741 Japanese Silvias (37598 coupe, 1143 convertible)
3879 Australian 200SX
477 New Zealand 200SX

Total 302,761 JDM S13s built
4 colours (4J1, 4J2, 6G1, TK3) were only used once, and 5G9 twice.

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/49lbl5o/

https://www.carthrottle.com/post/vrd8p66/

jdm_land

I whole reason I didn’t go RB was the oiling issues I hear about. And it’s not cheap to fix the oil problem. The JZ series is nice but I’m a Nissan man.
I love the Sr20det, A well built engine from the factory, easy to mod and parts are cheapish.

If I had the money I’d love to do the BMW M5 V10 with ITBs in my S13

Future240

The only issue with the S15 SRs is the 6 speed. I honestly don't want to deal with that extra headache, which means another what 500-800 for a 5 speed trans.

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JrDarknes

Probably would be a RB25. I really love the RB motors and the sound they make. I honestly do not mind working on the engine either. As for now I am happy with my RB20 though, very fun motor for me.

Same , Working on this next year. Going to buy a new compressor and see if I can get lucky with custom lines.

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RalliartRsX

SR trans are 1-300 around here. You would probably need s clutch/flywheel combo anywho.

That's all you should need. S15 6 sold on here for 400 so you would recoup a majority of your own investment..

My rule of thumb; buy the newest thing you can afford. Which means I would also buy a vvti 2j over a standard head. Torque curve is much better and generally newer engine

RalliartRsX

PS even if you have to buy with a 6 speed it would still be a fair amount cheaper than a 2j swap

Dolph_KYAS13

You guys think Drift tax is bad? R chassis tax is a whole other ballgame

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Future240

dannnnnnnnnnnnnnngggg


https://www.autotrader.ca/a/nissan/s..._15_21&sprx=-1


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S chassis for comparison
https://www.autotrader.ca/a/nissan/s...=1_8_8&sprx=-1

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DRIFTER-M

Sort of, I see a lot of cut-up home projects that would have been far better at a reputable shop.

And I have seen bad shop work, and have been a victim of it.

Do what you are capable of doing to your car, but don't be scared to pay a shop either if it's something important you don't really know. My .02.

I use to be all about DIY, but sometimes now I am fine with some help, if you can afford it of course.

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Future240

Hm. That makes sense. Honestly I'd prefer an s15 sr with the bigger injectors and turbo. I think with a fmic and exhaust and a tune running 12psi, would be a fun car to drive. With cody ace brackets and a clutch fan (I don't like the look of e-fans) a/c would not be an issue.


I just fanboi over the thought of an RB25. I know the JZ series is better but I am one of "those guys" Nissan in a Nissan type of thing.

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RalliartRsX

Nothing wrong with being a fanboi lol

And that is why the S15 (and purchasing the newest item you can afford). Those ittems (injectors, turbo, etc) would add up to the difference in price essentially however you would have an engine about 10 years newer than a S13.

A 280-300WHP S chassis is plenty in day to day life.

jdm_land

Yes, better to have someone else do it then rig it and have to do it twice. At the end of the day it’s all about having a nice reliable car. Which ever way someone chooses.

I have also seen hack jobs from shops and individuals.

DRIFTER-M

I had a shop steal parts from me. I was injured and had my car there for something I couldn't do. Paid the price for it when someone off FB contacted me and told me the shop had been selling my parts and replacing them with other parts.

I didn't fight it, but I am ticked off. Just going through a ton over the last few years and pursuing that would have been just another thing I didn't have the time or health for, unfortunately.

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Kingtal0n

A 5.3 gen4 rod engine (02-04) will support 800 horsepower. That engine will cost maybe $1000~. The 5.3 L33 version will support over 1000hp to the wheels and costs about $2000~. Stock bottom L33 is a record holder in some class or other.

the engine is the cheapest part.

Malik

By Craigslist numbers the price of 240's is trending down.

DRIFTER-M

Well - yeah, does that include shells though? I feel like this is due to condition more than it is of a trend down in pricing?

I will say though, I don't know what has been worse over the last 10 years - the hella inflation or the whining about it. It's annoying. Let people sell their car for what they want to. The higher they sell, the better for those of us who have 1 or 2 owner clean s-chassis lol.

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Malik

everyone loves low prices that the truth. thats what the whining is for.

as for the shells i see them from between 500 - 1000

I saw a hatchback automatic that was a 8/10 for about 4000.

but these days for me at least, its more worthwhile to just get a running car. garage space is a hassle in the metro ny area

240sx_sr20det

SR gets a bad name because everyone tries to use them in the US Drift Scene (power battle and constant ON throttle situations). This is mostly because of the track layouts people create in the US. The car never gets a break.

The SR is more reliably used in Japan because MOST of the tracks are off throttle (decelerating) entries. The motor just can't handle what the US "drifters" throw at it. That's why the JZ and LS is so popular here...

DRIFTER-M

I agree with some of that for sure, but I feel like some of that is largely perception from US people. A friend of mine owns a pretty well known performance shop in Japan - and he thinks the pricing of US SRs are crazy. He says most dudes there want RB or JZ, and the SR is a choice purely because of the cheap cost and ease of swapping - dudes just rag them until they blow up.

SR is a good motor, but just saying from my relatively anecdotal yet relevant info. Still love mine, so whatever lol.

I wouldn't call an old s13 for 4k a trend down though, that's kind of my point. Especially automatic.

I think prices have stayed about the same over the last 5 years, prices seem to trend down a tad IMO due to the horrible condition of most of the cars today.


I don't think I will ever sell my current s14. I have had it for nearly half of my life, I am the 2nd owner. My first s-chassis (a white 2 owner hatch) I got from working when I was 14 years old. I had always wanted a white hatch because my sister had one back in the late 90s, and as a kid who got interested in that car drifting kind of just became a thing for me back in the super early 00s. When I bought the car for $2500, I couldn't even drive the car outside of track events which back then were like 1 venue per state (if that), we had to drive 3 hours to the track. I had to have someone drive it there so I could drive it if I wanted on the track lol.


Over the years I have owned every USDM s-chassis, proudly. I never tried to sell them for a ton, but my point is that I was paying sub 4k for ridiculously clean s-chassis in the mid 00s. So prices have definitely sky rocketed, and now I think they are simply stabilizing.


How the world turns, I suppose. Is what it is. I don't really care about the drift tax stuff, to me - it's great for the value of my s14 if I ever do sell it. But I also can't stand the constant whining probably more so than the over inflated price for rotting chassis. It makes out scene look so darn juvenile.

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