BustedS13

debate thread.

everyone (read: s14a owners) seems to think that a '97-98 is worth substantially more than a zenki because it is "rare".
it's not rare. it's a 240sx. the production numbers may be lower in those years, and it may have the more desirable front in, but i propose to you that a zenki with a color-matched kouki front end would fetch the same as an equally-equipped legitimate kouki.
a 240 is a 240 is a 240. i do not believe that anyone wanting a 240sx would be willing to pay a premium for certain years just because they had lower production numbers. it does not make sense, as these cars will not be sitting in a climate-controlled showroom. they will be driven, or at least hard parked.

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Jaketenpointo

I think its because they're newer with lower mileage on average. I dunno though. Why are Supra's so expensive? FD? Early generation 240z?

jim1234664

well I would rather have a 95 with a kouki front since if its not obd1 the only engine I could run would be ka.

Kouki_monstr

Its all about personal preference. Some ppl like real origin, and some like to buy the cheap ass replica's and try to bring down the original shit!!!! sorry, its getting old. So yes, a zenki with a kouki front looks like a kouki, and there is no visible diffrence, but its not a kouki.

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BustedS13

i agree.
Fast and the Furious/increasingly rare
they're not, really
it's actually a collector's car
it's like Soulja Boy defending his music

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JAYTRON

S14a's are definitely worth more mad jdm tyte points

NiSilS14

I'll play devil's advocate. I would say they're worth more just based on the reason you already listed. Production numbers were lower then other generations of the s-chassis. '97s came in with 3655 produced and '98s at 1232. That's under 5000 combined, give it some years as retards crash them, I dunno I would say maybe there's 2500 some around give or take. And as these cars get older more will diminish, thus making it more "rare" to find. As long the demand remains the same, the price will stay or increase when the car reaches appreciation. Let's not mention some people like their shit exactly how it was from the factory. I can see the S-chassis with the same fate as the S30Z chassis has right now. You'll have those who will modify them, and then there will those who want a mint factory car.

93nismo

the only reason id pay more is because its a newer year. less of a possibility it had the snot beaten out of it. and if it did, it was possibly less. but in all honesty i like the zenki face better the the kouki. and if i were in the market for an s14 and i can find one cheaper, and i like it better. well shit, looks like im gettin the older one dosent it:P im not a huge fan of either koukis(s14/s13) i like my chuki s13 and id rather have a zenki.

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BustedS13

but at the same time, production numbers for zenkis:
1995: 25,114
1996: 7,334
and it's the same car. and the 95's (all of them or just early ones, i'm not sure) are OBD1, which i think would be a desirable trait.

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NiSilS14

That's almost 7 times more zenkis then there are koukis. The probability of finding a zenki is obviously higher. While yes, essentially there the same car. They came from the factory with a different option. A more desirable option at that [depending who you talk to]. Certain options, trims, etc. can make one certain car(s) worth more. The same could be said with s30 chassis or any chassis for that matter. I might not be an expert with s30's but I'm sure there's certain models that are worth more. Why would I spring for one thats worth more when I could build my own for less? Again, this depends which choir you're preaching to.

Bushido

why do you guys call it s14a/b?

does it have to do something with the chassis code?

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nismo tuned s14

Private party VALUE on KBB is less than $5k. What it's WORTH is whatever people are willing to pay for them. There is a decent market for them, so the prices are usually higher than the value.

codyace

Rare and uncommon are very different

As O/P stated, these are 240sx..they are just uncommon. Sorta like a Conquest, or GLHS, or a 323 Turbo...Rare to me is like, a 70 Boss Mustang, or a C4 ZR1, or a Reventon ya know?

With that said though, I look at this way (assuming both stock)...

Lets assume you get a CLEAN zenki..you're gonna spend what? 4 to 5 k?
Whats a clean Kouki go for...6k to 7k?

If you are DIEHARD set on the Kouki front, you're going to easily pay 1000-2000 bucks for the front end and paint. At that point, I'd rather pay the small 'premium' for the Kouki from the get go.

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codyace

some forum dingdong thought it would be cool to add letters to chassis codes, and it stuck lol

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jdm538

you are correct they are all 240's but....

if someone was selling a zenki with kouki front and i found a og kouki for the same price i would choose the kouki. why?

i trust a newer car, i dont trust cars that have new body panels, i hate the zenki gauge cluster, in some cases converting a zenki into a full kouki will cost the same or maybe even more.

i dont care about production #'s nor do i care about rarity its just more about getting the best for my money.

ThatGuy

S14a stands for "after change" and it wasn't started by a "forum dingdong".

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CrimsonRockett

This.

If you're buying a Zenki specifically to go Kouki, you have to take into account how much it'll cost to have the front end(or the entire car repainted professionally).

A lot of the Kouki's you find out there normally have paint that's in really good shape. Can't say the same for Zenki's.

Personally, I'd pick up a Zenki and go from there. I'm the type to add OEM Aero to any car. So, I'd need that shit painted anyway. Might as well have the entire car repainted professionally and have everything match.

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Matej

They are used cars. A 1997 any car will most likely be worth more than its 1995 model. What is there to discuss here?

Bubbles

I could get three S13 hatches for the price of one rare, uber new(12 years old) S14 kouki.


Just think 3 different hatches.................drool.

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BustedS13

that would end one way
roommate: "I HAVE TO PARK ON THE STREET BECAUSE OF YOUR FUCKING NISSAN JUNKYARD IN THE BACK YARD"

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RentonD

Lots of my friends believe that the Kouki appears more aggressive. I suppose to people who know nothing about these cars the S14a's are more of a sports car than Zenkis.

Getting to it, I think that OBD1 Zenkis are nice, but I'm not sure of how many were produced or when the change to OBD2 came. I've always been told that OBD1 is easier to tinker with because you don't have emissions junk.

Bubbles

Haters gonna hate.



I want a different running hatch for every day of the week.


People be like, 'he's so balling he must have 15 grand in old shitty cars.'

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Taniguchi_Is_#1

common sense prevails.

ManoNegra

I did just that, bought a zenki and am coming close to finishing the kouki conversion

why

got a 5 speed for a decent price with minor front damage
it's obdi
didn't have to come up with 6k at once
wanted the japanese front and rear bumpers instead of the usdm ones

after all it's said and done, i'm ~5.5k into it
got exactly what i wanted
and i'm very pleased with the body parts that are on it

I still need paint but that would have been the same regardless of which model I bought

spooled240

Kouki's are a little more rare, hell even zenki's are sorta rare to see on the streets BUT I think most of the reason why kouki s14's go for more is desirability of the aggressive front end, I'd say about 99.9 percent of people would prefer the kouki front end over the zenki front end and the price will reflect that.

Sure you can do the conversion but a lot of people don't even know what they are doing and they would rather just spend the extra money for a s14 that's kouki out of the box. I'm the kinda guy that would've gotten a zenki for super cheap, throw a JDM kouki front end and repaint the whole car but telling a lot of other people to do the same they just didn't seem motivated to do all the work to make it a kouki.

ronmcdon

I would never pay the premium of a kouki over a zenki.
there's just nothing that justifies it.

even if both were the same price, I'd opt for a zenki.
to me it the zenki has a more sleeper, friendlier look.
some ppl mistake my zenki for a camry.

that being said I don't dislike the Kouki.
I would just buy whatevers in decent condition & cheap.
The condition of a car isn't going to change drastically much over the course of 1-2yrs.

1on1

that's exactly what i did picked up my zenki for dirt cheap. my friend had brand new jdm kouki headlights which i bought for cheap and also found the other parts for cheap.

i've always loved the kouki front-end but i took a route that actually was fit for me (i have financial problems) and now my car is coming together now.

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fos240

the main reason the kouki's are worth more is because people like the design better. while a 95 with a kouki front end would be more preferable, the problem is two fold. first in order to get the kouki front end you either have to spend knocking on $2k to get everything new. or buy used. the problem buying used, is that there aren't that many kouki's to begin with. and when they get crashed, it's usually the front end that gets killed. not always, but most of the time.

so now on top of buying the expensive new, or hard as hell to find used parts, then they have to be painted.

it's just MUCH easier to buy a kouki car to begin with. plus you get the nicer looking tail lights, full sweep tach, the joystick power mirror switch, the side skirts, etc.

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SlideWell

agreed. simply the way the market works.
on a side note, the Honda Prelude still pulls a pretty penny in resale value, which was the 240sx's primary competition. i think it actually sells for more than what current s14's are going for.

S13SilviaGirl

A lot of people like that it was the last production model (stateside) and had low production numbers...I love my kouki....I love my zeki....but when it comes down to it, it is all personal preference.

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