dOMEmE

good as long as were on the same page...

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sidedrifts13

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zeitgeist

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only reason i have a problem with illegal immigration because it is so fucking difficult for others to get in the USA legally and illegals just walk right in whenever.
But on the other hand id do the same exact thing had i been put in their situation. Gotta feed your family somehow when there arent jobs in your country

OptionZero

Does the country have to choke on immigration as well? You fill a flower pot with soil, but you don't water it with dirt.

I do not believe that the country has reached the maximum capacity it can *ever* hold, but I do believe the country has exceeded the maximum capacity it can sustain in its current state. A four bedroom house can probably hold 8 people, but when three of its rooms are busted up and in need of repair maybe it's better to put up a no vacancy sign and patch the roof, replace the plumbing, paint the walls before you let new tenants in to add to the wear and tear. Nobody sits on a toilet while the plumber tries to do his work.

But again, like I said. No one wants to take the hit while a real solution is done. Like putting off surgery and using a bandage over a bullet wound while you slowly die from internal damage and bleeding.

As for the jobs thing, I'm sure Americans don't want to take menial jobs and they haven't . . . in the short term. The problem is with illegal immigration, we can no longer see how that plays out over some time. Illegal immigrants are much faster to snap up lower paying jobs than "ordinary" Americans, and the argument you just made comes up. An important but never accounted for factor in the labor market is time. An unemployed person does not immediately move to the best available job because he is human and there are always factors like pride, logistics, family, what not. A large supply of illegal immigrants will distort that market by filling in the "cracks" in available jobs before the rest of the market adjusts to unemployment.

That's my take - I'd probably take a crappy job if i had to, but i wouldn't be happy about it and it would take me a bit to get around to it.

ESmorz

As long as the ""titos stay open 24 hours I don't care, doesn't much matter anyways... 2012 brah.

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cc4usmc

As I was laying in bed last night I thought of the perfect example to use to try and help him understand.

You can't be that person in a movie who only has limited supplies or limited room in your car but can't resist from bringing in a few more people. It always backfires. And it's backfiring, hell it's been backfiring for a long time.

Oh, and that wasn't the example I was thinking about lol.

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BustedS13

.....the United States is not overpopulated. California and NYC may be, but the rest of the country has plenty of room.

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Brian

If anybody wants to come over, great.

but, PLEASE.... PLEASE FUCKING DO IT THE RIGHT WAY, ASSHOLES.

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DALAZ_68

see...now that statement gets to me...not because my parents came here illegally (which now they are U.S. citizens), but doing it the "right way" to get here Legally from the get go takes $$$

$$$ that most low income families couldnt even consider to afford, let alone lower incomes from like say mexico...

for example...my cuzin (fathers sister's daughter), for a while we tried to get her over here for her to continue her studies (to go to college)...she has blood relatives here (which is one of the requirements) and weve been here since mid 80's (blood relatives had to be in the US minimum 10 yrs or so)...10k payed, and about 8 months later...we were denied her approval by the US, to come here...she was 19 at the time, no record or priors, top grades of her school.

my father is also an honest living man, so it wasnt that it was because he had any sort of record or priors, we were just sent a notice saying we denied...did we get our money back, no...

the easiest way to do it was to get here first, and then become a citizen.

there are 2 types of immigrants, those who come to expose the market of labor and give nothing back to the country that they arrived in...

and then there are people like my father who came here...busted his ass like any immigrant can, got his citizen ship, and now has a pretty respectable job, pays taxes and everything...

and be4 you even consider thinking he came from a rich town, he's originally from Oaxaca (pronounce : Wa-ha-ka), Mexico... from a little poor town named Tlalixtac.

in my opinion, i honest to fucken god don't care how you got here...legal or not, just do the right thing, get ur citizen ship, and give back to the country thats adopted you...

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BustedS13

this is how i feel. if your life in your current country sucks THAT MUCH, just jump the fence and get a job, and in a few months start working on getting legal.

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dOMEmE

this is one of the best statements so far..

yup yup....

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Really??

well im illegal and tag all over thee streets..

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-Jorge

Mi Beardo es Loco

I was very liberal on the immigration issue until my friend, who is Mexican, was rear ended by a Mexican man who tested a .16. The guy was the definition of a person who does not belong in this country, and he bounced his ass right back to Mexico after breaking my friends back. For those who say that it's all cool for them to be here has never had something like this happened to them.
With that being said, I think the ability to become an American citizen should be a bit easier and not take so long, that way we could at least have papers on these people. A lot of people come to this country to escape their Mexican families or, worst, because they were wanted in Mexico for a serious crime. We need to get a paper trail on some of these guys and spend the type of money we're WASTING overseas and bring it here to protect OUR borders from the bad ones. It's not the hard workers that are giving the problems, it's the murderers, rapist, drug dealers, etc that is giving the US problems. If it comes down to blocking everyone out to keep the small percentage out, then so be it.

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I really hope you're kidding.

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RB24_S14

you are 100% right

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HyperTek

I agree. Im all for the guys who want better living and try to work hard for it. I grew up in socal *inland empire*, and where I live now is mostly a mexican area. But everyone is cool I havent seen any crazy stuff yet or been in any situation that really made me upset about it.

The only thing that bothers me is all the vehicles around here I see, old busted cars and they probably dont have license/insurance.

I think ive seen more trouble caused by the illegals first born gangsta children who really mess around too much. Not everyone, but the gangsta kids who didnt have their parents around to raise them right because they where too busy working.

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ronmcdon

I can also attest that it's very difficult to legally get US citizenship
that's assuming you don't already live here.
I've known a lot ppl with college degrees (and usually some $$$), speak decent English, etc.
Very few can obtain a US citizenship via legit means.

Trying to see the scenario from an immigrant's perspective,
I can definitely see how it's easier, & pays off to obtain citizenship after you've arrived.
It's eerie how our government coordinates it's immigration this way.
IMO, this pretty much encourages ppl to come over illegally (I know I would do this).

It's also strange how 'legally' ppl from certain countries are allowed very easy access than others.
(i.e. Taiwan, Korea, Armenia, etc).
Maybe it has something to do with the political ties with other nations, idk.

HyperTek

my asian relatives have to wait years to get legal access to the US.. even 10+ years for some of my family members before even coming here, and when they do come here, already got established families to get them off to the right start. It is worth it.

People say illegals are supporting their families, hopefully they are smart enough not to have kids if they know they are going to be broke. I firmly believe no child needs to come from a struggling home.

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ronmcdon

My asian relatives from Hong Kong couldn't even get here (the US).
They easily immigrated into Canada, however.

Mi Beardo es Loco

I also grew up in the IE. I graduated from Bloomington and really noticed this also. They have a twisted version of their heritage. They think that the bald head and being Raider fans and gangbangin in apart of being a Mexican. It's sad that this goes on. Of course I'm talking about the bad one's but it's funny how all the bad one's look, talk, walk, and dress alike.

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ronmcdon

Well, the 2nd generation usually have it harder in terms of adapting.
This is especially the case if the parents refuse to adapt to American culture at all.
I don't think it's limited to the Vin Diesel wannabe's (for lack of a better term, you have to watch what you say here).

Touge Noob S13

Very true, I saw this first hand in HS.
Unfortunatly all of them chose to have kids.

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cc4usmc

I wonder if anyone who has illegal parents will post in this thread that they're against illegal immigration. Hmmm, I doubt it...

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Mi Beardo es Loco

It is just bad parenting, honestly. It sets an example that it's ok to break the law, as long as you hide. People's opinions do not matter on the subject, the law is the law and if you teach your kids to nitpick which law they agree with and disagree with then they're bound for trouble. If you're going to come here at least make a valid attempt to become a citizen and keep your nose clean. If you don't then it's your own damn fault and I'm glad if you get sent home.
However, the length of time from application to legalization is astronomical. Took my mother in law 25 years to make that step. They need to look for ways to keep the good citizens and kick out the bad one's more efficiently.

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of course i was, i was born here and hate bitch ass taggers..i was responding to that dumbfuck that wants to "murder" illegal immigrants..

statements like that pisses me off, i have a few family members that are illegal immigrants (from mexico), they do work hard, they are good people, and they honestly don't cost tax payers much money at all....

its those few apples that spoil the bunch i guess you can say..

my uncle has lived in this country for almost 10 years now. hes married, he works, owns a house, has 2 babies, and is one of the greatest persons i know...works at an autoshop partime and is in charge of some of the onion and strawberry fields in fresno, makes a fair amount doing it also..yeah and for those who claim that mexican immigrants take up jobs, he is willing to hire anybody that WANTS to work out there..if anything the mexican immigrants are taking the jobs that people dont want, you guys think its so bad, well do your research and lookup the benefits of illegal immigrants..

gaining citizenship aint easy

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Brian

Is it supposed to be easy?

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I LUV MY S13

no but it should be easier

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Brian

Why should it be more easy?

Is there a valid reason?

(not trying to be a jerk, just wondering.)

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I LUV MY S13

there are alot of people who want the opportunity of being an american citizen, but cant because of the process

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Brian

I believe if you want something bad enough, you will work your ass off to get it.

This could be a TV, a car, a house....

With that said, I think if a person wants to become an American, they should be willing to try damn hard to do it.

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