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adrians_s13 · 09-21-2009, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by chibo

^^ That display and video 'card' makes me cry

yeah, I know, same here...

but its not like I game with it... I just needed mostly something portable for school.

***Future240*** · 09-21-2009, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ronmcdon

Sorry forgot you posted this.

Funny you asked there was that same discussion a few months back.
Here's the link;
http://zilvia.net/f/off-topic-chat/2...r-monitor.html

I had wanted to do the same, albeit with a more modest 40" 1080p LCD TV.
Actually, I did end up hooking my computer to my brother's 50" 1080 plasma.
Eventually I ended up just getting a 27.5" computer monitor and was happy with that.

The TV would be great for watching movies, tv, and maybe playing PC games.
The thing is, as mentioned prior on this thread buy other posters, the resolution settings for a hdtv @ 1080p is still a good deal lower than your average monitor.
I'm running a slightly higher 1920x1200 resolution on my 27.5" and its absolutely perfect for doing research, writing papers, etc.
It's almost like running a dual monitor setup.

Typing is pretty tiring on a large screen at lower resolution.
Maybe a 40" at 1080p would be fine.
Could be that 50" works out good for you too.
Just make sure your computer's video card supports that resolution.

About the sound system, I just mentioned I have it for myself.
I didn't imply you need something like that.

No offense but you all are acting like these lower resolutions make typing just impossible. For the longest time I was using a 1440x900 monitor and it only got tiring after 4-6 hours of looking at it. Now I am using a 1920X1080 and it is great. (that is what HD tv's run at for those of you who don't know)

If the OP is going to be hooking it up to a TV if its HD he will be fine, I highly doubt he needs these higher resolutions as a basic computer user.

S14_Kouki · 09-21-2009, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by SimpleS14

That might be true. However, for what the OP wants to do the supplied video chipset should be adequate.

What about the new Macbooks Iv heard good things about them I just have not priced them out yet.

Gnnr · 09-21-2009, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by future240

I have a few problems with this post. First off most PC's including the one I posted will give you a Windows 7 upgrade for free. I cannot speak for Dell laptops, but I have owned and know people who have owned Acer Laptops and their prodcuts are good. I am using one of their desktops and monitors at the moment. I've never seen a keyboard without a windows key, and that more than likely would not be an issue anyways.

Well I'm a tech and I've encountered it in the field. Go look at Toshiba notebooks...if its not missing the windows key they hide it way at the f'n top right corner.

I just got done working on two Acers for a client, not impressed with their quality. One she owned for a year and the built in graphics card took a crap and the other she bought recently had dead keys, we sent that one back since it was still under warranty. They both felt cheap.

Dell just uses very cheap materials and most common problem I've had recently is with their Batteries and AC adapters crapping out.

And what I'm suggesting to the OP is to stay away from Vista.

Also Macs are nice, but Apple is really good with their marketing and has strict control over their distribution so you'll pay a premium. Deals aren't as easy to get.

T_wei · 09-21-2009, 11:31 AM

ebay used one... never buy new computers you get raped in every way.. you buy it the price drops 20% once you buy it

SimpleS14 · 09-21-2009, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by S14_Kouki

What about the new Macbooks Iv heard good things about them I just have not priced them out yet.

Macbooks use Nvidia video chipsets and so far Nvidia is my favorite, but for the specs you get with a Macbook you can get a similar spec PC at a lower price. Now if you like the styling of the Macbooks, PC makers are starting to make laptops that are comparable to Macbooks, but the pricing is up there as well. Here's one from HP: HP Envy 15 targets Apple MacBook Pro with quality, performance | ZDNet Photo Gallery

I don't know you're level of computer knowledge, but if it's similar to the OP...just look into getting a PC.

S14_Kouki · 09-21-2009, 11:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimpleS14

I don't know you're level of computer knowledge, but if it's similar to the OP...just look into getting a PC.

You have way more computer knowledge then me but I do like to stay up to date with technology. So I do my reading around and asking questions lol

chibo · 09-21-2009, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S14_Kouki

What about the new Macbooks Iv heard good things about them I just have not priced them out yet.

Read my post above. I wonder. How long it will take until apples are no longer trendy again.

bboyswoosh87 · 09-21-2009, 12:59 PM

Sorry to thread jack, but im also looking to buy a new computer. To some apples are trend, but when I was looking into buying a laptop and still am by the way found out apples delivers a good product I do not want to start S*** about apples vs pc's because its quite useless. I have done my research on laptops and so far I have Hp, Lenovo T400 or T500 or apple. Right now I'm waiting for Hp's new computer The 15 inch envy to come out because it comes with new Core i7 processor and looks like a replica of the macbook pro's body which kinda bothers me.

ronmcdon · 09-21-2009, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by future240

No offense but you all are acting like these lower resolutions make typing just impossible. For the longest time I was using a 1440x900 monitor and it only got tiring after 4-6 hours of looking at it. Now I am using a 1920X1080 and it is great. (that is what HD tv's run at for those of you who don't know)

If the OP is going to be hooking it up to a TV if its HD he will be fine, I highly doubt he needs these higher resolutions as a basic computer user.

No offense taken.

I'm just mentioning personal observations & preferences.

Typing isn't imposssible, it's just that there is eventual fatigue w/ a larger monitor on slightly lower resolution settings.
imo, its dependan't on the person & duration of use.
That seems to be the case even for yourself.

I tried it, and that was an issue for me after about an hour or so of typing on Word on a 50" plasma hdtv @ 1080 resolution.
Besides that, (speaking for myself) I also like typing close to my desk instead of 10-15 ft away from a wall.

I also did mention the OP should probably try using his 50" and go on from there.
If it works, no need to spend more & it's super-nice.

***Future240*** · 09-21-2009, 05:47 PM

I bet OP is confused as hell now. Lol

sr240noob · 09-21-2009, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronmcdon

I like the Gateway NV5214u at Best Buy.
Price is good @ $499 for the features.
Only con is that its a bit heavier at almost 7 lbs.

Has the HDMI & Bluetooth out.
# AMD Athlon 64 X2 QL-64 dual-core CPU (2.1GHz)
# 15.6-inch screen (1366×768 resolution)
# Vista Home Premium 64-bit
# 4GB DDR2 RAM
# 320GB SATA hard drive
# 802.11b/g/n
# ATI Radeon HD 3200 graphics
# Six-cell battery
# 8x DVD burner
# Four USB ports, HDMI, VGA out, card reader
# Weight: 6.82 pounds

review
Review: Gateway NV5214u 15.6-inch notebook

Gateway - Laptop with AMD Athlon™ X2 Dual-Core Processor - NV5214u

I just bought this same laptop and for 500 bucks it does everything u can ever want it to plus more unless your a huge gamer.

pignose4life · 09-22-2009, 01:41 AM

Well since your a computer idiot i would say get a mac since you won't have any problems messing it up software wise =]
If you do go with mac buy it refurbished its same exact thing as new but a couple hundred bucks off

bl3ujay07 · 09-22-2009, 02:49 AM

^^^Macs are way over rated!!! 1500 bucks for a mac when you can buy one with pretty much same spec for 500. Have my toshiba for 3 years now. Never crashed nor failed on me yet. Its looks slim and the design design looks way better than any other laptops out there (imo). Bought mines for $1300 (17 inch), for entertainment, (HD DVD player, when it just came out not too long ago), and for programming and such (engineering major). Regret paying 1300 for it, but i love it.

BOROSUN · 09-22-2009, 03:47 PM

i'm waiting til the Q9000 and T9*00's price drop.

SimpleS14 · 09-22-2009, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pignose4life

Well since your a computer idiot i would say get a mac since you won't have any problems messing it up software wise =]
If you do go with mac buy it refurbished its same exact thing as new but a couple hundred bucks off

Reread his original post, he wants a HDMI port. AFAIK, Macbooks don't have this.

chibo · 09-22-2009, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimpleS14

Reread his original post, he wants a HDMI port. AFAIK, Macbooks don't have this.

They don't, they require an extra $19 dongle.

gotta240 · 09-24-2009, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by future240

I bet OP is confused as hell now. Lol

HAHA. Pretty much hit the nail on the head with that post! Lol.

Actually, i'm pretty much looking at getting an HP as SIMPLES14 suggest, for around 700 or less. Not sure which model/etc, but so far they seem to fit my needs for a good price. I've also been recomended Toshibas for the same price range.... I wish I could just hand someone 500-700 bucks that i trust and say, bring me a good computer thingy.

I'm not even going to CONSIDER a mac. Too much money for what i need. So lets just check that one off the list now. Lol.

lol. Thanks for all the posts guys.;

***Future240*** · 09-25-2009, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by gotta240

HAHA. Pretty much hit the nail on the head with that post! Lol.

Actually, i'm pretty much looking at getting an HP as SIMPLES14 suggest, for around 700 or less. Not sure which model/etc, but so far they seem to fit my needs for a good price. I've also been recomended Toshibas for the same price range.... I wish I could just hand someone 500-700 bucks that i trust and say, bring me a good computer thingy.

I'm not even going to CONSIDER a mac. Too much money for what i need. So lets just check that one off the list now. Lol.

lol. Thanks for all the posts guys.;

Hmm

Whatever computer get, try to meet or exceed these specifications

Operating System (OS) Vista 64 bit, with a free Windows 7 Upgrade
3GBs of Ram
200GB HD (250 if you plan to have a lot of music, photos and movies)
15.4 inch screen
Processor Dual core/core 2 duo 2.0GHZ

gotta240 · 09-25-2009, 09:43 AM

Thanks! Searching now! I'll post up my last "options" when i make a list. Thanks again.

ixfxi · 09-25-2009, 09:54 AM

you know whats interesting....

it sounds like the primary reason for you needing a laptop isnt because you're on the go, but because you dont have much space to work with in your apartment.

a laptop is ONLY for people who are on the go, individuals who need an actual computer with them everywhere they go.

the problem with using a laptop as a main computer wont be immediate, it will be over time. laptops will lack in the performance catagory, maybe not immediately but over time working on one becomes tiresome. they get hot and theyre overall not as convenient. when you compare a desktop PC to a laptop, a similar desktop PC will have greater potential and also contain less heat. you can service parts much easier and install features like larger heat sink for the cpu or replace/upgrade components at a whim.

if you're set on a laptop, by all means buy a good one and dont cheap out. get it with the longest fucking warranty you can get, because they will get damaged. and when youre up shits creek its nice to have a paddle (warranty), otherwise your laptop will only make a good doorstop.

personally, if you dont need the mobility.. have someone build a nice, slim PC that can be put in a nice corner of your apartment somewhere. nothing better than a nicely build PC.

gotta240 · 09-25-2009, 04:10 PM

Thanks for the reply. I'm actually ALWAYS on the go. I spend half my time in one city, and the other half my time 2 hours away. It would be nice to have something i can take with me between places and also use at school.

You say "don't cheap out" which I totally understand in concept. However, knowing so little about computers, i don't know what "cheap out" is. Its like telling your girlfriend to go buy an alternator but "dont cheap out".

Considering i'm NOT and never will use it for gaming/watching movies, what is your idea of not cheaping out? Is 600-700 on an HP with a 17" screen cheaping out? Do you have specific models or brands which you suggest? Please, no MACS though. Hopefully i'm not coming across as an ass, i really just dont know a damn thing about computers.

SimpleS14 · 09-25-2009, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ixfxi

personally, if you dont need the mobility.. have someone build a nice, slim PC that can be put in a nice corner of your apartment somewhere. nothing better than a nicely build PC.

This crossed my mind before when I was chatting with a co-worker and checking out this motherboard: Newegg.com - ZOTAC GF9300-D-E LGA 775 NVIDIA GeForce 9300 HDMI Wi-Fi Mini ITX Intel Motherboard - Intel Motherboards

It's a good idea, however (IMO) I don't think a built PC would be a good idea for the OP. Unless he has a friend that's willing to build the PC for him and attend to any issues or questions he has.

DeathMetal · 09-25-2009, 07:58 PM

newegg.com

**West** · 09-25-2009, 10:18 PM

DONE.

Laptops are the best option, even if intended to use at home only.

HDMI serves little use on computers.

MacBooks aren't overpriced. Use one you will agree. Stick with budget laptop and see how long it lasts.

OS X Upgrades cost 29$, not $500 (Windows 7).

Windows = Millions of software options, most are crappy.
Mac = Fewer software options, most are good.

Computer illiterate people DO need macs. If you over think how to fix something on a mac, you failed. Just do what a 5 year old would do and the problem will be fixed.

You want an iPhone.

ixfxi · 09-26-2009, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gotta240

You say "don't cheap out" which I totally understand in concept. However, knowing so little about computers, i don't know what "cheap out" is. Its like telling your girlfriend to go buy an alternator but "dont cheap out".

Considering i'm NOT and never will use it for gaming/watching movies, what is your idea of not cheaping out? Is 600-700 on an HP with a 17" screen cheaping out? Do you have specific models or brands which you suggest? Please, no MACS though. Hopefully i'm not coming across as an ass, i really just dont know a damn thing about computers.

I understand what youre saying, but "not cheaping out" really does come down to one thing: dollars and cents. when you go to a shop to buy an alternator, its always something like "we have the bosch for 250 dollars, and the chinese brand for 99 with a lifetime warranty" -- oh, entice me more with the lifetime 99 dollar warranty deal. my view is, you'll spend a lifetime changing shitty alternators as opposed to just shelling out for a quality brand like Bosch.

Since you're a n00b (not trying to be a dick, but true).. it MAY be a good idea to (agh) buy a Mac. I mean, honestly.. buy something that is intuitive for YOU to use, thats what a computer was, has, and always should be. Its like a pair of fucking shoes. For some people, NIKE ballerific shoes are mandatory, old schoolers maybe want KSWISS. Everyone is different.

Me, I am a technical person who hates new (sucky) technology. Therefor, I am always hesitant of quote unquote UPGRADES because they seldom do anything than give me headaches. I prefer proven, older software that is reliable and headache free. I just downgraded from Quickbooks 2009 to 2007 for that same exact reason: pointless upgrade.

I could go on and on, but reality is you have to chose something that will have:
a) good build quality
b) meets your budget
c) you enjoy using
d) fairly easy to replace parts (never very easy on laptops), but ram and hdd should be easily accessible.
e) quick and easy repair/return.. hence the importance of local warranty coverage.
f) last, and most important: NO FUCKING CALLS TO INDIA. No offense Indians, but go fuck the corporate motherfuckers who offshore something as crucial as customer support. seriously, go fuck yourselves.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimpleS14

This crossed my mind before when I was chatting with a co-worker and checking out this motherboard:
It's a good idea, however (IMO) I don't think a built PC would be a good idea for the OP. Unless he has a friend that's willing to build the PC for him and attend to any issues or questions he has.

correct, custom build is only good if you're good at custom building. take the 240 community for example:
a) most are broke
b) most cut corners when it comes to servicing, maintaining their cars
c) most suck at engineering and fail to install a strut tower bar, let alone an sr20det

stay away from custom built unless you have balls and have that engineering knack. dont have a friend help you, he'll eventually get tired of fixing your shit and you'll end up becoming enemies.

edit: most importantly, always buy a good computer that makes watching porn fun. if you cant watch porn, the computer is practically useless. 90% of the computer's function should be on downloading, storing, and playing porn. good luck.

***Future240*** · 09-26-2009, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by West

DONE.

Laptops are the best option, even if intended to use at home only.

HDMI serves little use on computers.

MacBooks aren't overpriced. Use one you will agree. Stick with budget laptop and see how long it lasts.

OS X Upgrades cost 29$, not $500 (Windows 7).

Windows = Millions of software options, most are crappy.
Mac = Fewer software options, most are good.

Computer illiterate people DO need macs. If you over think how to fix something on a mac, you failed. Just do what a 5 year old would do and the problem will be fixed.

You want an iPhone.

Zomg West made a post.

No, just no. HDMI is great to have on a computer. We didn't offer any budget laptops, we offered him great ones. Most companies are offering Windows 7 for free with purchase of a laptop.

Computer illiterate people DO NOT NEED Macs. PC's are easier to deal with and in the run less expensive than a mac. A 5 year old would tell his parents his computer broke.

I agree on Iphone though, its tits.

gotta240 · 09-26-2009, 03:17 PM

Haha. Ok, i'm done thinking about it, i'm going to follow future240 and simples14 advice. They actually seem to understand what i'm going for. I'll prob post up again when i have two or three specific models to choose from.

Again, and i repeat, I really appricieate everyones advice, however, PLEASE DONT EVEN POST THE WORD MAC IN THIS THREAD AGAIN. I wont consider one. After a little research, I think i can get what i need in an HP or toshiba for under 800 total(that with wireless keyboard,mouse, free windows upgrade, etc). Buying a mac is wasting my money and time. Not to mention, lots of programs I need to run for work dont work properly on macs (according to the 3 people who have them at work). Thanks.

And on the iphone comment. I got one about 7 months ago. At first i hated it. After getting used to it, I can hardly live without it. I'm literally lost without it. Also, it has saved SO MANY hours with work, school, and directions. LOVE IT

**West** · 09-26-2009, 04:10 PM

Mac

You say you cant live without your iPhone, same will happen with your MAC.

Mac mac mac mac mac.

***CrimsonRockett*** · 09-26-2009, 05:14 PM

Mac.

I've got 3 Mac's(two G4's and one G5, all towers).

Love them.

Mac > everything.

I'm with Mark.

Mac mac mac mac mac.

09-25-2009, 10:18 PM	#55
West OMNOMNOMNOM Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Denver, CO Age: 40 Posts: 6,456 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: West Feedback Score: 0 reviews	DONE. Laptops are the best option, even if intended to use at home only. HDMI serves little use on computers. MacBooks aren't overpriced. Use one you will agree. Stick with budget laptop and see how long it lasts. OS X Upgrades cost 29$, not $500 (Windows 7). Windows = Millions of software options, most are crappy. Mac = Fewer software options, most are good. Computer illiterate people DO need macs. If you over think how to fix something on a mac, you failed. Just do what a 5 year old would do and the problem will be fixed. You want an iPhone. __________________ West - Zilvia.net - Toyobaru.net - NapkinSketch.com

09-26-2009, 04:10 PM	#59
West OMNOMNOMNOM Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Denver, CO Age: 40 Posts: 6,456 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: West Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Mac You say you cant live without your iPhone, same will happen with your MAC. Mac mac mac mac mac. __________________ West - Zilvia.net - Toyobaru.net - NapkinSketch.com

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09-21-2009, 11:31 AM	#35
T_wei Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2007 Location: Socal 626 Age: 32 Posts: 304 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	ebay used one... never buy new computers you get raped in every way.. you buy it the price drops 20% once you buy it

09-21-2009, 12:59 PM	#39
bboyswoosh87 Zilvia Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: San Jose, Ca Posts: 242 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Sorry to thread jack, but im also looking to buy a new computer. To some apples are trend, but when I was looking into buying a laptop and still am by the way found out apples delivers a good product I do not want to start S*** about apples vs pc's because its quite useless. I have done my research on laptops and so far I have Hp, Lenovo T400 or T500 or apple. Right now I'm waiting for Hp's new computer The 15 inch envy to come out because it comes with new Core i7 processor and looks like a replica of the macbook pro's body which kinda bothers me.

09-22-2009, 01:41 AM	#43
pignose4life Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: 626.socal Posts: 547 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Well since your a computer idiot i would say get a mac since you won't have any problems messing it up software wise =] If you do go with mac buy it refurbished its same exact thing as new but a couple hundred bucks off

09-22-2009, 02:49 AM	#44
bl3ujay07 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: norcal(209) and socal(805) Posts: 683 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	^^^Macs are way over rated!!! 1500 bucks for a mac when you can buy one with pretty much same spec for 500. Have my toshiba for 3 years now. Never crashed nor failed on me yet. Its looks slim and the design design looks way better than any other laptops out there (imo). Bought mines for $1300 (17 inch), for entertainment, (HD DVD player, when it just came out not too long ago), and for programming and such (engineering major). Regret paying 1300 for it, but i love it.

09-22-2009, 03:47 PM	#45
BOROSUN Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: two legit to quit Age: 41 Posts: 5,211 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i'm waiting til the Q9000 and T9*00's price drop.

09-25-2009, 09:43 AM	#50
gotta240 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: so cal Posts: 3,496 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	Thanks! Searching now! I'll post up my last "options" when i make a list. Thanks again.

09-25-2009, 09:54 AM	#51
ixfxi Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: bangin on my chest Account: BANNED #fucksupreme Age: 79 Posts: 5,923 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	you know whats interesting.... it sounds like the primary reason for you needing a laptop isnt because you're on the go, but because you dont have much space to work with in your apartment. a laptop is ONLY for people who are on the go, individuals who need an actual computer with them everywhere they go. the problem with using a laptop as a main computer wont be immediate, it will be over time. laptops will lack in the performance catagory, maybe not immediately but over time working on one becomes tiresome. they get hot and theyre overall not as convenient. when you compare a desktop PC to a laptop, a similar desktop PC will have greater potential and also contain less heat. you can service parts much easier and install features like larger heat sink for the cpu or replace/upgrade components at a whim. if you're set on a laptop, by all means buy a good one and dont cheap out. get it with the longest fucking warranty you can get, because they will get damaged. and when youre up shits creek its nice to have a paddle (warranty), otherwise your laptop will only make a good doorstop. personally, if you dont need the mobility.. have someone build a nice, slim PC that can be put in a nice corner of your apartment somewhere. nothing better than a nicely build PC.

09-25-2009, 04:10 PM	#52
gotta240 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: so cal Posts: 3,496 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	Thanks for the reply. I'm actually ALWAYS on the go. I spend half my time in one city, and the other half my time 2 hours away. It would be nice to have something i can take with me between places and also use at school. You say "don't cheap out" which I totally understand in concept. However, knowing so little about computers, i don't know what "cheap out" is. Its like telling your girlfriend to go buy an alternator but "dont cheap out". Considering i'm NOT and never will use it for gaming/watching movies, what is your idea of not cheaping out? Is 600-700 on an HP with a 17" screen cheaping out? Do you have specific models or brands which you suggest? Please, no MACS though. Hopefully i'm not coming across as an ass, i really just dont know a damn thing about computers.

09-25-2009, 07:58 PM	#54
DeathMetal Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: SW Florida Age: 31 Posts: 198 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	newegg.com

09-26-2009, 03:17 PM	#58
gotta240 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: so cal Posts: 3,496 Trader Rating: (21) Feedback Score: 21 reviews	Haha. Ok, i'm done thinking about it, i'm going to follow future240 and simples14 advice. They actually seem to understand what i'm going for. I'll prob post up again when i have two or three specific models to choose from. Again, and i repeat, I really appricieate everyones advice, however, PLEASE DONT EVEN POST THE WORD MAC IN THIS THREAD AGAIN. I wont consider one. After a little research, I think i can get what i need in an HP or toshiba for under 800 total(that with wireless keyboard,mouse, free windows upgrade, etc). Buying a mac is wasting my money and time. Not to mention, lots of programs I need to run for work dont work properly on macs (according to the 3 people who have them at work). Thanks. And on the iphone comment. I got one about 7 months ago. At first i hated it. After getting used to it, I can hardly live without it. I'm literally lost without it. Also, it has saved SO MANY hours with work, school, and directions. LOVE IT