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evilimport · 10-10-2004, 02:36 AM

Your right ^....

But in retrospect you can shoot down most war's ethics (at the time) with what we see today. And there will always be a better way to do things but during wartime you have to act and make decsions as best you can with what you know at the time...

**mrmephistopheles** · 10-10-2004, 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by evilimport

Your right ^....

But in retrospect you can shoot down most war's ethics (at the time) with what we see today. And there will always be a better way to do things but during wartime you have to act and make decsions as best you can with what you know at the time...

I don't think you got what I'm saying: I understand WHY we went to war at the time, and I'm not knocking that decision. In retrospect, the decision wasn't such a great one. All told, the ends of 2nd Iraq war were VERY well worth it, even if the means aren't totally justified - especially given the relatively few servicemembers we've lost and the fact that we've essentially captured the entire country. Granted, they've still got terrorists to face, but such is life when you're in a country where firearms aren't regulated. I've said it before and I'll repeat it: I don't agree with our reasons for invading Iraq, but deposing Saddam and his regime was absolutely worth it. Honestly, I wouldn't be too shocked to see a large-scale building happen in Iraq of US forces as a precursor to an invasion of Iran. I'm very curious to see exactly what justification we use to kick THAT tea party off.

balmo · 10-10-2004, 09:11 AM

i watched the 1st debate and all i could say is that bush is not a good speaker. long pauses with "...ummm" doesnt really convince voters. my whole outlook with bush really changed when i watched farenheit 9/11.

DriftMonkey · 10-10-2004, 10:42 AM

if your basing anyhting on a movie you have some research to do. Especially a Michael Moore movie. the guy twists things to show what he wants to show. He is one of the most liberal men in america. i would do some research and just see how much opposistion there is to moore's movies simply because his movies are full of lies and deception. His movies are just that MOVIES, FICTION.... they are barely classified as documentaries. u have to take his movies with a grain of salt. If you support Kerry thats fine but have real reasons to take that side not Michael Moore's movie...thats pure lunacy...

**RJF** · 10-10-2004, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by balmo

i watched the 1st debate and all i could say is that bush is not a good speaker. long pauses with "...ummm" doesnt really convince voters. my whole outlook with bush really changed when i watched farenheit 9/11.

To get a balanced view, you need to watch FahrenHype 911

citizen · 10-10-2004, 12:34 PM

saying you dont agree with why we went for war but support the end result is a cop out... if you support the end result then YOU SUPPORT the justifications for going to war. there ain't no free meals round here boooooaaaah!

**RJF** · 10-10-2004, 01:06 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134978,00.html

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WALLACE: President Bush said in Friday's debate that John Kerry is a big tax-and-spend liberal. I want to play some of what Kerry said in his closing statement. Let's listen.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

KERRY: I have a plan to provide health care to all Americans.

I have a plan to provide for our schools, so we keep the standards, but we help our teachers teach and elevate our schools by funding No Child Left Behind.

I have a plan to protect the environment.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WALLACE: Sure sounds like a tax-and-spend liberal.

EDWARDS: No, I don't think so. If you look at John Kerry's record, Chris, he has a long history of fighting for fiscal responsibility, of fighting for balanced budgets. He stood up against his own party back in the 1980s to move us toward fiscal responsibility. He's been fighting basically the entire time he's been in the United States Senate for more cops on the street, more tax cuts for the middle class.

And I think the reality is, John Kerry is right in the mainstream, and what the president's saying is a distortion.

WALLACE: Let's look at the map of the Kerry-Edwards budget plan. The highly respected and independent Concord Coalition came out with an analysis this week. Let's take a look at it.

Your repeal of tax cuts for the rich and reform of the estate tax would bring in an extra $286 billion over 10 years. But your health- care plan would cost $476 billion. More education funding would cost $155 billion. Adding 40,000 troops would mean another $60 billion. The total increase, according to the independent Concord Coalition, in deficit: $1.27 trillion over 10 years.

Senator, the numbers don't add up.

EDWARDS: Well, I would respectfully disagree with that.

And I have to say first, we have enormous respect for the Concord Coalition. They do a lot of important and good work about fiscal responsibility. But there are some things left out, first of all, and the way they calculate some of those things we would certainly disagree with.

But, in terms of the things that are left out, I mean, we would also close down some corporate welfare and some corporate loopholes, and John McCain has said that would save $300 billion.

On top of that, we would also reduce some bureaucratic spending in Washington and some overlap between some bureaucratic agencies in Washington, which would also save many billions of dollars.

And I would add at the end of all that, John Kerry and I have made absolutely clear, Chris, that we have made this commitment. We are going to meet our commitment. And what that means is, if we have to scale something back, we will scale it back. And we are committed to doing that, and John Kerry's made that commitment.

WALLACE: Well, I want to follow up on precisely that point, because in Friday's debate, Senator Kerry said that he would cut the deficit in half during his first term, he would cut taxes for the middle class, but he also had all these new spending programs.

Are you saying right here and now that if the numbers, when you get into office, don't add up, that it's the spending programs that go first?

EDWARDS: Yes. Plus the other -- don't forget the other things that I just said. But yes, on top of the other things I said, if we have to cut something back -- for example, I know John's already talked about, if necessary, cutting back national service programs, early childhood, I mean, some other things that are near and dear to our heart. But if they're necessary, we'll do it.

I just have to say, though -- you have to give me a second on this --you know, for the president to be attacking John Kerry for fiscal responsibility is outrageous. I mean, they took a $5 trillion surplus, projected surplus, turned it into a $3 trillion projected deficit in four years -- $8 trillion turnaround, the biggest turnaround in American history.

You know, according to the newspapers, they've got another $3 trillion of spending in tax cuts that they have absolutely no way of paying for. I mean, they have been the walking, breathing example of fiscal irresponsibility. And for them to be critical of Senator Kerry on this is the height of hypocrisy.

WALLACE: But again, just to clear it up, I just want to make clear that you're saying that even Kerry's cherished health-care plan, he would cut that back before he would add to the deficit or raise taxes on the middle class?

EDWARDS: We will not raise taxes on the middle class, as John said clearly. And we will cut back -- we will cut back on our programs if it's necessary to make sure that that happens.

President Bush said the same thing the other night. You can't cut the deficit and fund all the programs that he is promising. There's no way that they can cut that much "fat" from the budget. Just doesn't make sense.

DriftMonkey · 10-10-2004, 02:33 PM

watchem both and do ur freaking research then come back with some legitimate opinions...none of this michael moore bull

**mrmephistopheles** · 10-10-2004, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by balmo

i watched the 1st debate and all i could say is that bush is not a good speaker. long pauses with "...ummm" doesnt really convince voters. my whole outlook with bush really changed when i watched farenheit 9/11.

If you saw the second debate, you'd have noticed that Kerry had a great deal of ums and uhs in his statements. I think Bush tends to do that because he's actually thinking about what he's saying, and not just spouting off rhetoric.

evilimport · 10-11-2004, 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by balmo

my whole outlook with bush really changed when i watched farenheit 9/11.

good lord, its a shame Bush is going to lose votes because of that idiot bullshit movie.... Come on peps, there is more to everything than Michael Moore's (distorted) views of this country and it leaders...he needs to go back to Canada and start visiting Subway everyday....

**mrmephistopheles** · 10-11-2004, 07:34 AM

No shit. Every person I hear lauding Michael Moore is a fucking sheep to me. (note: not a 'fucking' sheep, like farmboys enjoy... and adjective-noun.. a fucking sheep.)
To give that guy credit for 'exposing' the Bush administration is crap. His shitty film (yes, I've seen it) is a very well-edited and well produced propaganda film. I suggest that if you enjoy his work, you pay a visit to North Korea, or take a time machine to Soviet Russia of 1980. You'll fit right in. Not saying you're a communist for liking the film - just that you're happy with being spoonfed bullshit.

DriftMonkey · 10-11-2004, 09:48 AM

thank you... theres too many people basing their political views off this guy and it's sad that the movie will have an implication on peoples votes this november.....im glad to see there are people whose bullshit detectors are actually working ...

**Phlip** · 10-11-2004, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mrmephistopheles

I suggest that if you enjoy his work, you pay a visit to North Korea, or take a time machine to Soviet Russia of 1980. You'll fit right in. Not saying you're a communist for liking the film - just that you're happy with being spoonfed bullshit.

I'm going to disagree with you here, I will offer you that we will continue to be spoonfed bullshit no matter who wins this election... If Bush wins, we will continue to be spoonfed the same bullshit, Kerry will bring new bullshit... Either way, I can't imagine I will like the taste of it. This has nothing to do with Michael Moore in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by DriftMonkey

im glad to see there are people whose bullshit detectors are actually working ...

Does this mean I should relax my bullshit detector when I am told that there are WMDs... err -- credible links to al-Qaeda... er -- whatever other shit I am told that I am just not safe in my living room until the "libel campaign against malicious intent" (I refuse to call it a "war on terror," seeing as how 'terror' is not a tangible thing to declare war on) has been won, and that the only way to see it through is to keep a Bush in the office... My bullshit filter works, and this presidential campaign, FROM BOTH SIDES is the biggest crock of shit since "the war on drugs."

DriftMonkey · 10-11-2004, 02:30 PM

holy crap.....here is credible links to al queda ...

...consider the facts presented in Stephen F. Hayes's book,
The Connection : How al Qaeda's Collaboration with Saddam Hussein Has
Endangered America (N.Y.: HarperCollins, 2004). The first paragraph of
the last chapter (pp. 177-78) sums up some of the evidence:

Iraqi intelligence documents from 1992 list Osama bin Laden as an
Iraqi intelligence asset. Numerous sources have reported a 1993
nonaggression pact between Iraq and al Qaeda. The former deputy
director of Iraqi intelligence now in U.S. custody says that bin Laden
asked the Iraqi regime for arms and training in a face-to-face meeting
in 1994. Senior al Qaeda leader Abu Hajer al Iraqi met with Iraqi
intelligence officials in 1995. The National Security Agency
intercepted telephone conversations between al Qaeda-supported Sudanese
military officials and the head of Iraq's chemical weapons program in
1996. Al Qaeda sent Abu Abdallah al Iraqi to Iraq for help with weapons
of mass destruction in 1997. An indictment from the Clinton-era Justice
Department cited Iraqi assistance on al Qaeda "weapons development" in
1998. A senior Clinton administration counterterrorism official told
the Washington Post that the U.S. government was "sure" Iraq had
supported al Qaeda chemical weapons programs in 1999. An Iraqi working
closely with the Iraqi embassy in Kuala Lumpur was photographed with
September 11 hijacker Khalid al Mihdhar en route to a planning meeting
for the bombing of the USS Cole and the September 11 attacks in 2000.
Satellite photographs showed al Qaeda members in 2001 traveling en
masse to a compound in northern Iraq financed, in part, by the Iraqi
regime. Abu Musab al Zarqawi, senior al Qaeda associate, operated
openly in Baghdad and received medical attention at a regime-supported
hospital in 2002. Documents discovered in postwar Iraq in 2003 reveal
that Saddam's regime harbored and supported Abdul Rahman Yasin, an
Iraqi who mixed the chemicals for the 1993 World Trade Center attack...

The Iraq Al-Qaeda connection is well-documented, and hardly a "falsehood" as Moore claims.

u dont think iraq had tons of freakin time to get things out of there country...

**ThatGuy** · 10-11-2004, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DriftMonkey

u dont think iraq had tons of freakin time to get things out of there country...

I love how people forget that it took us 2 years to get to the fight in Iraq, yet "Bush rushed to war".

**RJF** · 10-11-2004, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DriftMonkey

u dont think iraq had tons of freakin time to get things out of there country...

Or at least bury them.

Technically, this is a WMD.

**mrmephistopheles** · 10-11-2004, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PHLIP

This has nothing to do with Michael Moore in my opinion.

Hmmm.. See, I think it has everything to do with Michael Moore. I wasn't talking about the candidates and their spin doctors (I still have your Spin Doctors CD, btw.. I'll give it back ASAP.) - spin is a common thing nowadays. I'm talking about a feature-length spin film that truly borders on propagandism. Moore is the subject of my statement.. not the candidates.. I accept that there will be a certain amount of BS. The general populace is too weak-minded to handle the realities of the world. If Rummy had said 'Fuck yes, I ordered psychological ops at Abu Gharaib! That shit nets good intel!' He'd have been tarred and feathered out of office with a quickness. I understand why everyone complains so much more about Bush than Kerry... Kerry hasn't been in the national spotlight for the last 4 years, forced to deal with a major (US perspective) terror attack and wartime operations in 2 countries. It's very easy to see why Bush has so much more negative press - everyone has had 4 years to nitpick, armchair quarterback, and overanalyze his actions and decisions.

evilimport · 10-11-2004, 03:36 PM

"damn, hellava, sand storm this morning, eh?" <-- Kerry lovers.

**mrmephistopheles** · 10-11-2004, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RJF

Or at least bury them.
Technically, this is a WMD.

That's one of my favorite image sets.. That's crazy shit.. I guess there's a whole 'platoon' of aircraft buried near that one.
I have a feeling that alot of the WMDs we can't find are buried, and only the people who arranged for them to be buried (generals and such) know where they are. I bet they killed the people that actually buried them.

KA24DESOneThree · 10-11-2004, 08:28 PM

Speaking of Bush- I have three pro-Bush stickers on the 240. And a rubber chicken.

Speaking of Moore- He's speaking in Del Mar tomorrow. I'm protesting against him and all America-hating libs, then going to the show on his dollar. (He paid for my ticket. If you ask, I'll tell you how.)

DriftMonkey · 10-11-2004, 08:48 PM

yea right in the beginning of fahrenheit 9/11 it says "for ENTERTAINMENT PRUPOSES ONLY'

**RJF** · 10-11-2004, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Speaking of Moore- He's speaking in Del Mar tomorrow. I'm protesting against him and all America-hating libs, then going to the show on his dollar.

Good for you! Make us proud.

--------------------------------------------------------
What is Kerry thinking?

I wonder if lying is a sin?
--------------------------------------------------------
Priceless

(Check out the guys shirt)

**ThatGuy** · 10-11-2004, 09:19 PM

What is Kerry thinking?

I wonder if the guy behind me smells that?

Guy Behind Him: Awe Man! Johnny farted again!!

elevator · 10-12-2004, 03:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by citizen

so i was watching some of the debates last night and i heard bush say this little gem in response to a question about stem cell research:
"taking life to save life is a real ethical dilemna."
so taking the 'life' from cells to help the sick is not okay, but
killing living people to 'enhance' our (supposed) 'security' is kosher
i have a word for this man and it starts with a big freakin H and ends with a big freakin E (because if i were to use it it would be all in capitall letters roofles =P)
for the lazy of you out there here's a small hint:
H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E

#1 YOU are talking apples and oranges, sonny.
If an Iraqi dies as a result of the war it is absolutely NOTHING like MURDER that is necessary for stem cell research. In order for one to do stem cell research one must have aborted fetuses to get the cells from. THAT is NOT hypocracy! Get your facts straight! BTW Bush is NOT bullshit..."citizens", who claim he is, are.
#2 Regarding the fat bastard, Michael Moore:
http://www.davekopel.org./Terror/Fif...enheit-911.htm

elevator · 10-12-2004, 03:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThatGuy

What is Kerry thinking?

I wonder if the guy behind me smells that?

Guy Behind Him: Awe Man! Johnny farted again!!

That is great!

tastyratz · 10-12-2004, 07:50 AM

Personally I think were screwed plain and simple. George bush has the IQ equivalent of a salt shaker, and kerry is just a plain ass. Flip flopping isnt something that really bothers me because it really rather hear what I want to hear and it shows hes not stubborn. I believe hes a prick and my friends mother was having a discussion with me about it and aparently he lived around my parts while he was younger and he was a prick then too. I believe the president is more of a figurehead than anything else really. right now his picture is pasted next to the word america everywhere and we are represented by a big dumb illiterate chimp. Im not even gonna bother voting because i can either vote we get screwed or more screwed and i dont wanna support either of them. Quite frankly people... prepare for a 4 year shitstorm no matter what.

P.S.

"sawveerntree"
All i wanted to see is bush whisper in his collar while holding what ear "whaaats sawverrntree" while still leaning toward the mic lol

RedlineRacer · 10-12-2004, 01:17 PM

I am getting so tired of people bashing Bush. Back when 9/11 happened, everyone was so pissed at terrorism. They were just wanting some sort of action to be taken against it. And Bush stepped up to the plate and started showing the world that if you mess with the US and its innocent people, then you will pay. At that time, everyone praised Bush for taking action. Nothing bad was said about him. Now, when the war is an inconenience to the country, everyone moans and bitches about it. Grow up, war is always going to happen. Its inevitable. Always was, and always will be. Stop being pussies.

KA24DESOneThree · 10-12-2004, 01:21 PM

Fitting that the ad banner I see now reads "Thank you, President Bush."

I need to find and rasterize a great anti-Moore, anti-lib picture so I can wave that for the video cameras.

MakotoS13 · 10-12-2004, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tastyratz

Flip flopping isnt something that really bothers me because it really rather hear what I want to hear and it shows hes not stubborn.

yeah, it sucks having a stubborn president that stands up for what he believes in even when his own country starts calling him a jackass for DOING HIS JOB. by doing his job i meant protecting our arses.

i don't want to have to fight those douchebags in my backyard and with kerry in office that's exactly what i'd prepare for. i can take a little backwoods yokal bullcrap but bein spineless just ain't gonna cut the mustard.

eh, YOU guys are screwed. texas is the only state that has the right to secede from the union should things get too hairy. ah, the joys of once being your own country

**mrmephistopheles** · 10-12-2004, 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tastyratz

MOOOOOOOI'd really rather hear what I want to hearMOOOOOOO

10-10-2004, 10:42 AM	#34
DriftMonkey Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North East Posts: 256 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	if your basing anyhting on a movie you have some research to do. Especially a Michael Moore movie. the guy twists things to show what he wants to show. He is one of the most liberal men in america. i would do some research and just see how much opposistion there is to moore's movies simply because his movies are full of lies and deception. His movies are just that MOVIES, FICTION.... they are barely classified as documentaries. u have to take his movies with a grain of salt. If you support Kerry thats fine but have real reasons to take that side not Michael Moore's movie...thats pure lunacy... __________________ Coastek240 still owes me a bumper or 82 bucks, which ever he decieds to send first.

10-10-2004, 02:33 PM	#38
DriftMonkey Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North East Posts: 256 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	watchem both and do ur freaking research then come back with some legitimate opinions...none of this michael moore bull __________________ Coastek240 still owes me a bumper or 82 bucks, which ever he decieds to send first.

10-11-2004, 09:48 AM	#42
DriftMonkey Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North East Posts: 256 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	thank you... theres too many people basing their political views off this guy and it's sad that the movie will have an implication on peoples votes this november.....im glad to see there are people whose bullshit detectors are actually working ... __________________ Coastek240 still owes me a bumper or 82 bucks, which ever he decieds to send first.

10-11-2004, 02:30 PM	#44
DriftMonkey Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North East Posts: 256 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	holy crap.....here is credible links to al queda ... ...consider the facts presented in Stephen F. Hayes's book, The Connection : How al Qaeda's Collaboration with Saddam Hussein Has Endangered America (N.Y.: HarperCollins, 2004). The first paragraph of the last chapter (pp. 177-78) sums up some of the evidence: Iraqi intelligence documents from 1992 list Osama bin Laden as an Iraqi intelligence asset. Numerous sources have reported a 1993 nonaggression pact between Iraq and al Qaeda. The former deputy director of Iraqi intelligence now in U.S. custody says that bin Laden asked the Iraqi regime for arms and training in a face-to-face meeting in 1994. Senior al Qaeda leader Abu Hajer al Iraqi met with Iraqi intelligence officials in 1995. The National Security Agency intercepted telephone conversations between al Qaeda-supported Sudanese military officials and the head of Iraq's chemical weapons program in 1996. Al Qaeda sent Abu Abdallah al Iraqi to Iraq for help with weapons of mass destruction in 1997. An indictment from the Clinton-era Justice Department cited Iraqi assistance on al Qaeda "weapons development" in 1998. A senior Clinton administration counterterrorism official told the Washington Post that the U.S. government was "sure" Iraq had supported al Qaeda chemical weapons programs in 1999. An Iraqi working closely with the Iraqi embassy in Kuala Lumpur was photographed with September 11 hijacker Khalid al Mihdhar en route to a planning meeting for the bombing of the USS Cole and the September 11 attacks in 2000. Satellite photographs showed al Qaeda members in 2001 traveling en masse to a compound in northern Iraq financed, in part, by the Iraqi regime. Abu Musab al Zarqawi, senior al Qaeda associate, operated openly in Baghdad and received medical attention at a regime-supported hospital in 2002. Documents discovered in postwar Iraq in 2003 reveal that Saddam's regime harbored and supported Abdul Rahman Yasin, an Iraqi who mixed the chemicals for the 1993 World Trade Center attack... The Iraq Al-Qaeda connection is well-documented, and hardly a "falsehood" as Moore claims. u dont think iraq had tons of freakin time to get things out of there country... __________________ Coastek240 still owes me a bumper or 82 bucks, which ever he decieds to send first.

10-11-2004, 08:48 PM	#51
DriftMonkey Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: North East Posts: 256 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yea right in the beginning of fahrenheit 9/11 it says "for ENTERTAINMENT PRUPOSES ONLY' __________________ Coastek240 still owes me a bumper or 82 bucks, which ever he decieds to send first.

10-10-2004, 02:36 AM	#31
evilimport Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Daytona Beach Psycho Ward Posts: 778 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Your right ^.... But in retrospect you can shoot down most war's ethics (at the time) with what we see today. And there will always be a better way to do things but during wartime you have to act and make decsions as best you can with what you know at the time...

10-10-2004, 09:11 AM	#33
balmo Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: bay area Age: 42 Posts: 319 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i watched the 1st debate and all i could say is that bush is not a good speaker. long pauses with "...ummm" doesnt really convince voters. my whole outlook with bush really changed when i watched farenheit 9/11.

10-10-2004, 12:34 PM	#36
citizen Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,240 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: citizen Feedback Score: 0 reviews	saying you dont agree with why we went for war but support the end result is a cop out... if you support the end result then YOU SUPPORT the justifications for going to war. there ain't no free meals round here boooooaaaah!

10-11-2004, 03:36 PM	#48
evilimport Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Daytona Beach Psycho Ward Posts: 778 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	"damn, hellava, sand storm this morning, eh?" <-- Kerry lovers.

10-11-2004, 08:28 PM	#50
KA24DESOneThree Nissanaholic! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: SD County SoCal Age: 35 Posts: 2,441 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: KA24DESOneThree Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Speaking of Bush- I have three pro-Bush stickers on the 240. And a rubber chicken. Speaking of Moore- He's speaking in Del Mar tomorrow. I'm protesting against him and all America-hating libs, then going to the show on his dollar. (He paid for my ticket. If you ask, I'll tell you how.)

10-11-2004, 09:19 PM	#53
ThatGuy Admin Asshole Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Retired Age: 41 Posts: 20,394 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: ThatGuy Feedback Score: 0 reviews	What is Kerry thinking? I wonder if the guy behind me smells that? Guy Behind Him: Awe Man! Johnny farted again!! __________________ "Speak softly,..." -Pres. Teddy Roosevelt "Be polite, be professional, ..." -Gen. James Mattis

10-12-2004, 07:50 AM	#56
tastyratz Zilvia Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: nh Posts: 995 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Personally I think were screwed plain and simple. George bush has the IQ equivalent of a salt shaker, and kerry is just a plain ass. Flip flopping isnt something that really bothers me because it really rather hear what I want to hear and it shows hes not stubborn. I believe hes a prick and my friends mother was having a discussion with me about it and aparently he lived around my parts while he was younger and he was a prick then too. I believe the president is more of a figurehead than anything else really. right now his picture is pasted next to the word america everywhere and we are represented by a big dumb illiterate chimp. Im not even gonna bother voting because i can either vote we get screwed or more screwed and i dont wanna support either of them. Quite frankly people... prepare for a 4 year shitstorm no matter what. P.S. "sawveerntree" All i wanted to see is bush whisper in his collar while holding what ear "whaaats sawverrntree" while still leaning toward the mic lol __________________

10-12-2004, 01:17 PM	#57
RedlineRacer Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Clemson, South Carolina Age: 37 Posts: 1,054 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I am getting so tired of people bashing Bush. Back when 9/11 happened, everyone was so pissed at terrorism. They were just wanting some sort of action to be taken against it. And Bush stepped up to the plate and started showing the world that if you mess with the US and its innocent people, then you will pay. At that time, everyone praised Bush for taking action. Nothing bad was said about him. Now, when the war is an inconenience to the country, everyone moans and bitches about it. Grow up, war is always going to happen. Its inevitable. Always was, and always will be. Stop being pussies.

10-12-2004, 01:21 PM	#58
KA24DESOneThree Nissanaholic! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: SD County SoCal Age: 35 Posts: 2,441 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: KA24DESOneThree Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Fitting that the ad banner I see now reads "Thank you, President Bush." I need to find and rasterize a great anti-Moore, anti-lib picture so I can wave that for the video cameras.

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