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*revat619* · 11-07-2008, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by drift freaq

Ok I am going to sum this whole thread up and I am done.

1. Apparently Prop 8 was more vaguely written than I thought. So though the people behind publicly advertised the facts of who they were it could go either way in Court.

2. Because contested laws can go all the way to the Supreme Court it could indeed become a Constitutional issue.

3. As far as what Reveat was saying about it being compared to Equal rights, I do not think the gist of the discussion was about equal rights. It was about marriage rights. So Reveat needs to be back down on this angle.

4. Marriage is indeed a granted right in the country and was upheld by the Supreme Court, there again indeed making this a constitutional issue.

5. This for Johnny aka Crimson Rocket, Johnny this discussion and debate ensued for one reason. The way that the public was brainwashed by the supporters of Prop 8 with their crazy ads to vote yes on it. It was a mud slinging smear campaign not based on facts but personal beliefs. Hence why so many people are up in arms.

6. This proposition spreads ignorance, it breeds stupidity and whats worse it breeds stupidity based off right wing religious beliefs. I am sorry but ignorance or ignorance in the name of religion are both not good for the U.S.

7. In essence, if the religious people in this thread, who keep on commenting against marriage of gays really were not judging gay people? They would say ok, I don't agree with it but if they want to let them.
If you are religious and feel so threatened by the concept of gays marrying?
I suggest you look at yourself and stop worrying about others, because it seems to be your personal issues and feelings, rather than taking a unbiased look at the situation.

8. To wrap it up its already been filed in court at this point leave up to the Courts. Oh and don't think there will not be another ballot initiative to turn this around as well.
This is not just going to go away or get brushed under the bed. These people want certain definitions and a lot of people feel they deserve it. The actual vote tally was very close and the it only went yes by around 2-3%.

Thats it folks end thread. It was a good discussion.

just to clarify, i wasn't talking about comparing rights of heterosexual marriages and gay unions in THIS discussion. I was talking about their (the protesters) comparison of their struggle with the BLACK civil rights movement and slavery. They are NOT the same. And i will not back down from my stance on that.

Mi Beardo es Loco · 11-07-2008, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by airsoft

I hope soon enough we all start loving our HOT sisters / cousins so that can be legalized if society accepts it... or a vast majority...

I want to fuck my brother, we should all do so, its my right to...

Technically if they compare civil rights etc. to gay marriage...

I can go as far as to say, i want to fuck my sister get married and have kids, please don't think of me differently society and allow us to marry.

Incest is NOT legal in California.

^^WHAT THE FUCK???? WHERE ARE MY RIGHTS TO LOVE WHO I WANT????

IM STARTING A RIOT...

California code 285 on adultery/incest is not well written, but it clearly holds to the standard by which a marriage would be considered valid. Please see the code on "Void Marriage" below.

California Penal (Criminal) Code 285.
Persons being within the degrees of consanguinity within which
marriages are declared by law to be incestuous and void, who
intermarry with each other, or who being 14 years of age or older,
commit fornication or adultery with each other, are punishable by
imprisonment in the state prison.

California Family Code - Part 2 Judicial Determination of Void or Voidable Marriage
2200-2201 VOID MARRIAGE
Marriages between parents and children, ancestors and
descendants of every degree, and between brothers and sisters of the
half as well as the whole blood, and between uncles and nieces or
aunts and nephews, are incestuous, and void from the beginning,
whether the relationship is legitimate or illegitimate.

seriously? Are you comparing incest to a homosexual relationship? That's wrong on so many levels. This shows you how intolerant and full of hate you are if you think it's comparable.

Kuzumi · 11-07-2008, 01:28 PM

i forgot where but i heard that you can marry your second cousin.

and to sum up the same sex marriage ordeal:
"what one generation accepts; the next generation embraces"

ESmorz · 11-07-2008, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by revat619

the problem is that SINCE the passing of 8, any gay couple wanting to get married cant actually use the word "married" to define their union. Yes that is it.

yeah......black civil rights/slavery was soooooooo similar.

I hope now, you can understand my anger with them using that struggle as a comparison.

Ok look, I don't think anyone is comparing them equally and if they are well... I think we all know they aren't the brightest. Obviously the Civil Rights movement was huge and dealt with oppression all across the board. Including marriage. It is silly to compare it on that level.

However, you can still compare it on the principality that we are saying to a group of human beings who have done nothing wrong but be who they were meant to be "NO, you can't do this because you have something about you that dumb fucks in this country don't like". In that likeness it is fair to compare it. Separate but equal doesn't work. That was proven, and I know you know that's true.

I just hope some day people will get the fuck over themselves and do what is right for all people. Not just there self(god)-centered ways and maybe, just maybe go out of their way to instead kick people in the balls, maybe throw them a fucking bone and make them happy. So in closing I would like to think if Jesus was around today he would have voted no. Yes they are "sinning", but judge lest not ye be judged. Turn the other cheek and make people happy.

drift freaq · 11-07-2008, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ESmorz

Yes they are "sinning", but judge lest not ye be judged. Turn the other cheek and make people happy.

This is exactly what I have been saying numerous times in this thread. Funny how all the people that call themselves religious have ignored it and kept up the debate based off their views.

Funny thing is I am Spiritual and I do believe in God. I was raised Catholic. I am not a church going person though. Here I am arguing in favor of what I feel are basic rights. Why because I do believe what is written above.

Anyways I was said I was done earlier perhaps that was premature due to esmorz reposting what I have said earlier and so many have ignored. I suggest people pay attention to those words. Live by them, own them, and die by them.

tha tha tha thats all foLk!s I am now finally done with this one.

highwaystar22 · 11-07-2008, 02:46 PM

The only thing I would like to interject is that not only "bible thumpers" voted for this. A very large majority of the Black community, and Latino community voted for this as well.

I've seen a lot of hate and anger being spread towards the Morman church, which I do not agree with nor attend, but I don't see the same type of approach to these ethnic groups.

Do you think that Mormans were targeted because they are easier to pick on? Do you also think this approach has been taken so the people rioting can avoid being called themselves "racists" and "bigots" for attacked the majority of the Black and Latino community who voted and supported this?

airsoft · 11-07-2008, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mi Beardo es Loco

seriously? Are you comparing incest to a homosexual relationship? That's wrong on so many levels. This shows you how intolerant and full of hate you are if you think it's comparable.

Intolerant ?

Wrong on how many levels? Your levels?

Please explain? Some cultures accept this

Does it make you feel bad? disgusted?

I'm sorry, however, I can pro create w/ my sister not w/ another person the same sex...

STOP FUCKING WITH MY RIGHTS TO BE WITH WHO I WANT.

OK IM DONE, POINT MADE, CAN'T ARGUE IT

*Antihero983* · 11-07-2008, 02:54 PM

I'm not religious but....

"Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone"

WERDdabuilder · 11-07-2008, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ESmorz

Ok look, I don't think anyone is comparing them equally and if they are well... I think we all know they aren't the brightest. Obviously the Civil Rights movement was huge and dealt with oppression all across the board. Including marriage. It is silly to compare it on that level.

However, you can still compare it on the principality that we are saying to a group of human beings who have done nothing wrong but be who they were meant to be "NO, you can't do this because you have something about you that dumb fucks in this country don't like". In that likeness it is fair to compare it. Separate but equal doesn't work. That was proven, and I know you know that's true.

I just hope some day people will get the fuck over themselves and do what is right for all people. Not just there self(god)-centered ways and maybe, just maybe go out of their way to instead kick people in the balls, maybe throw them a fucking bone and make them happy. So in closing I would like to think if Jesus was around today he would have voted no. Yes they are "sinning", but judge lest not ye be judged. Turn the other cheek and make people happy.

and this is why CrimsonRockett's analogy of "american idol" is stupid.

***CrimsonRockett*** · 11-07-2008, 03:19 PM

I knew it was a stupid analogy.

I intended for it to be as simple as it could get.

This will be a never ending discussion.

You can't force people to agree with you.

Prop 8 passed.

Quit being sore losers(even though the proposition is completely wrong).

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Kuzumi Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Minecraftia! Posts: 753 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	i forgot where but i heard that you can marry your second cousin. and to sum up the same sex marriage ordeal: "what one generation accepts; the next generation embraces" __________________ http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1127316777

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Antihero983 Premium Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Gilmanton, NH Age: 36 Posts: 4,403 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: Antihero983 Feedback Score: 2 reviews	I'm not religious but.... "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone" __________________ "So here I am, right back at it again, just like I've always been"

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11-07-2008, 02:46 PM	#126
highwaystar22 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Jacksonville, FL Age: 37 Posts: 347 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	The only thing I would like to interject is that not only "bible thumpers" voted for this. A very large majority of the Black community, and Latino community voted for this as well. I've seen a lot of hate and anger being spread towards the Morman church, which I do not agree with nor attend, but I don't see the same type of approach to these ethnic groups. Do you think that Mormans were targeted because they are easier to pick on? Do you also think this approach has been taken so the people rioting can avoid being called themselves "racists" and "bigots" for attacked the majority of the Black and Latino community who voted and supported this?