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FullRaceGeoff · 11-29-2006, 12:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

How much power did you guys ended up making with the current setup. Also, when you dyno it, do you guys dyno it AWD or RWD? Just curious, i figured when it runs RWD, it should put down more power to the wheels than it would AWD since there will be less drivetrain loss.

The car has not yet been dynoed. When it is dynoed, we will do it on a 2wd Dynapak hub dyno. I Just got my jun oil pump in, and am going to install it before dynoing. I had put the motor together with an N1 oil pump, only to have 2 freinds blow up N1 oil pumps on high boost pulls.. I dont want to risk it. I expect ~800-850 on the 42R, 750 on the 4094 and 650 on the 35R

We will dyno the car with the GT42R, GT4094R, and then a GT35R. Once it is tuned for all three we will have solid performance data and tunes, then bring it over to the local AWD dynojet. AWD will definately have more losses

*fliprayzin240sx* · 11-29-2006, 12:24 PM

Wow...imma be waiting for that 42R dyno sheet please. Which turbos on the car right now? Also, 3 turbos, so 3 different manifold too?

***S14DB*** · 11-29-2006, 01:43 PM

Should all be T4.

FullRaceGeoff · 11-29-2006, 01:58 PM

all turbos are T4, so they use the same manifold, same downpipe, same charge piping. Just slightly modify all turbos to be 4" Vband turbine outlet and 3" coupler compressor outlet

PowerHungry240sx · 11-29-2006, 04:16 PM

As well...a proper GTR-34, imported to Cali runs around $55k +. How cheap can you find some 240 chasis? That is another factor. I doubt that all of this work cost them up to that price.

Ian · 11-29-2006, 06:41 PM

Uhh...R34 GTR for 55k?

That's all they go for?

I'm pretty sure that # is way off

*Jonnie Fraz* · 11-29-2006, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FullRaceGeoff

rims = mismatched volks that were free. I had the centers powdercoated flat black becuase they were 3 different colors

tires = free. there are now advan a048Rs on 10.5s 285x35x18

.

Geoff,

Great build, I would love to see this put into production...Very nice I do have a very important question...How do I get on the free Volks program that you are on...LOL
Keep up the great work, and best of luck.

***S14DB*** · 12-06-2006, 07:31 AM

So, When does the SR20 Z32 come out?

thejapino · 12-06-2006, 10:06 PM

Here you go Geoff, why not:

Pulsar GTI-R drivetrain

into

B13 Sentra 2-door

If you could throw an R32 drivetrain into an s-chassis, this combo would be a cakewalk!

Think about it;

Lightweight 2-door chassis w/ AWD TURBO!!! just a thought.

*fliprayzin240sx* · 12-06-2006, 10:23 PM

You want a sleeper, get a 2nd gen altima and do the bluebird conversion with awd.

CylonFrakker · 12-07-2006, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fliprayzin240sx

You want a sleeper, get a 2nd gen altima and do the bluebird conversion with awd.

that would be a sleeper but the whole point of this S14 is clean performance styling and aggressive brutal performance. Think of the look on the Murcielago owner's face when this S14 keeps up with him from a launch and pulls on him in second gear? Wow that would make the 20K price worth it.

KA-T_240 · 12-07-2006, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Supraflame

that would be a sleeper but the whole point of this S14 is clean performance styling and aggressive brutal performance. Think of the look on the Murcielago owner's face when this S14 keeps up with him from a launch and pulls on him in second gear? Wow that would make the 20K price worth it.

quoted for the trutch

Chemical Whore · 12-08-2006, 04:11 PM

20k for all this?

azndummie · 12-08-2006, 10:42 PM

Dayum talk about going to the extreme. Simply amazing.

Chrischeezer · 12-09-2006, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FullRaceGeoff

The car has not yet been dynoed. When it is dynoed, we will do it on a 2wd Dynapak hub dyno. I Just got my jun oil pump in, and am going to install it before dynoing. I had put the motor together with an N1 oil pump, only to have 2 freinds blow up N1 oil pumps on high boost pulls.. I dont want to risk it. I expect ~800-850 on the 42R, 750 on the 4094 and 650 on the 35R

We will dyno the car with the GT42R, GT4094R, and then a GT35R. Once it is tuned for all three we will have solid performance data and tunes, then bring it over to the local AWD dynojet. AWD will definately have more losses

you guys are so hardcore,

ronmcdon · 12-10-2006, 11:38 AM

I really like the idea a lot, esp adding the awd setup.

would there be any possibility of simply doing an awd conversion for the s14, while retaining the use of a sr20det or ka swap? id imagine that would prob be a more affordable alternative a lot more of us, including myself. Im satisfied with my sr swap, but id be really tempted to go awd with an adjustable f/r torque split setup.

It would be great for those of us who already have somewhat built cars to add awd and other parts, instead of starting from scratch again.

300hp owen · 01-11-2008, 02:22 PM

old old thread but I opened up a new calendar out of Modified Mag and saw the R14 and checked the FullRace site, low and behold it was updated just a few days ago to say they wont be building cars for people but they will offer the kit for the DIY kinda guy. very cool and should keep costs down and let more people be capable of this project.

if I didnt have my LS1FC then I would think very seriously about building an R14. I think its a great way to run the GTR drivetrain in a US-legal and somewhat inexpensive chassis. even in tough states you can use an OBD1 '95 S14 and not have major issues with emissions and still use it as a streetcar. I must say, even with 400hp at the wheels it would be one hell of a fun car... I sure wouldnt need 1000hp to go have a blast at a trackday, that would probably be too fast and go thru tires too fast for my wallet.

man I cant believe how off topic this thread went with the patent pending bullshit that shoudl have been taken to PM, it only needed to be brought up in here once if anything then laid to rest.... wtf... gotta love the intArWebs, durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

with the passing of time I wonder if FullRace has made any improvements or changes and logged any track time in the car at all or if they have been too busy to do anything at all? I look forward to seeing some updates!!!

CursedGTR · 01-11-2008, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 300hp owen

old old thread but I opened up a new calendar out of Modified Mag and saw the R14 and checked the FullRace site, low and behold it was updated just a few days ago to say they wont be building cars for people but they will offer the kit for the DIY kinda guy. very cool and should keep costs down and let more people be capable of this project.

if I didnt have my LS1FC then I would think very seriously about building an R14. I think its a great way to run the GTR drivetrain in a US-legal and somewhat inexpensive chassis. even in tough states you can use an OBD1 '95 S14 and not have major issues with emissions and still use it as a streetcar. I must say, even with 400hp at the wheels it would be one hell of a fun car... I sure wouldnt need 1000hp to go have a blast at a trackday, that would probably be too fast and go thru tires too fast for my wallet.

man I cant believe how off topic this thread went with the patent pending bullshit that shoudl have been taken to PM, it only needed to be brought up in here once if anything then laid to rest.... wtf... gotta love the intArWebs, durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

with the passing of time I wonder if FullRace has made any improvements or changes and logged any track time in the car at all or if they have been too busy to do anything at all? I look forward to seeing some updates!!!

AWD for the DIY?????? Looks like an S15 is about to be converted in the future.

bziggers13 · 01-11-2008, 09:36 PM

that'd be pretty badass.. awd kits eh?? must cost a pretty penny...

bloodangels13 · 01-12-2008, 09:21 AM

I would be interested in a awd kit in the future but for s13 and i would retain the atessa ets pro .... i heard that some of awd control on the r14was taking from a subaru?... i did here any comfermation of that but atessa has proved its self as an amazing system .. its all about sensor placement from what ive read... i jus wanna build a awd s13 coupe .. I like the r32 but im in love with the s13 silvia

300hp owen · 01-14-2008, 08:57 AM

from what I have read it was all nissan stuff (no word on subaru, that would probably be even harder to utilize).

yes you can build an R34 out of an S13 if you wanted to. it would be sick in an S13 coupe, not many people would guess you'd have a 400hp AWD fire breathing dragon of a powerplant and drivetrain under that old style body... but putting the power down would warrant some 255's at all four corners so look forward to wide front fenders and some $$$ wheels to make it all happen.

a_ahmed · 01-14-2008, 09:09 AM

What would be awesome if they did an LS1 AWD hehe, with all the drivetrain technology of the GTR but thats just dreams :P The LS1 imho is such a better more potent/cheaper engine to make go crazy... just my opinion and much lighter too...

Too bad you guys never finished the R13...

The only thing that would intrigue me most would be the front end suspension swap... from mcpherson strut design to doubleswishbones... if u could sell that as a diy only kit for cheap that'd be neat and i would consider it but alas.

I'm an s13

g6civcx · 01-14-2008, 02:20 PM

Since someone dragged up this old thread, I think it deserves an update.

Full Race pulled their patent-pending designation from their Web site. This means that all of my comments posted above are moot.

I hope they can get this kit together, although I'm not sure if an S13 chassis can handle it without investing some money in restoration, or if S13 owners have/want to spend money on this.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slidin240Wayz

That will be the day.

G6- if it all goes through, would this be like the special edition z31 convertibles?

Carlos

I'm not sure what this question means. What do you mean be "like" the Z31 le vert?

bloodangels13 · 01-14-2008, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 300hp owen

from what I have read it was all nissan stuff (no word on subaru, that would probably be even harder to utilize).

yes you can build an R34 out of an S13 if you wanted to. it would be sick in an S13 coupe, not many people would guess you'd have a 400hp AWD fire breathing dragon of a powerplant and drivetrain under that old style body... but putting the power down would warrant some 255's at all four corners so look forward to wide front fenders and some $$$ wheels to make it all happen.

i figure the whole suby thing was wrong .... as far as putting the power down im all ready running 18x8.5 255/40 in the front and 18x9.5 275/35 in the rear so im not afraid of sticking some meats under the wheel wells of a s13... a stitch welded chassis and a good cage with some nice sus reforcement will take care of ridgity issues ill buy another chassis to do this project

11-29-2006, 12:24 PM	#62
fliprayzin240sx Man w/ CTSV & a Car Seat Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 17,998 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: fliprayzin240sx Feedback Score: 19 reviews	Wow...imma be waiting for that 42R dyno sheet please. Which turbos on the car right now? Also, 3 turbos, so 3 different manifold too? __________________ If you think Zilvia has too many assholes... CLICK HERE!!!

11-29-2006, 01:43 PM	#63
*S14DB* AFC #1 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 昨晩あなたのお母さんの家 Posts: 20,181 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Should all be T4. __________________ Comments should be taken as Opinions not as Statements of Fact

12-06-2006, 07:31 AM	#68
*S14DB* AFC #1 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 昨晩あなたのお母さんの家 Posts: 20,181 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	So, When does the SR20 Z32 come out? __________________ Comments should be taken as Opinions not as Statements of Fact

12-06-2006, 10:23 PM	#70
fliprayzin240sx Man w/ CTSV & a Car Seat Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 17,998 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: fliprayzin240sx Feedback Score: 19 reviews	You want a sleeper, get a 2nd gen altima and do the bluebird conversion with awd. __________________ If you think Zilvia has too many assholes... CLICK HERE!!!

12-08-2006, 10:42 PM	#74
azndummie Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: orange county Posts: 1,362 Trader Rating: (14) Feedback Score: 14 reviews	Dayum talk about going to the extreme. Simply amazing. __________________

11-29-2006, 01:58 PM	#64
FullRaceGeoff Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: az/nj Posts: 123 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	all turbos are T4, so they use the same manifold, same downpipe, same charge piping. Just slightly modify all turbos to be 4" Vband turbine outlet and 3" coupler compressor outlet

11-29-2006, 04:16 PM	#65
PowerHungry240sx Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Glen Spey, New York Age: 37 Posts: 1 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	As well...a proper GTR-34, imported to Cali runs around $55k +. How cheap can you find some 240 chasis? That is another factor. I doubt that all of this work cost them up to that price.

12-06-2006, 10:06 PM	#69
thejapino Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: The City By The Water - YEEE! Posts: 605 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Here you go Geoff, why not: Pulsar GTI-R drivetrain into B13 Sentra 2-door If you could throw an R32 drivetrain into an s-chassis, this combo would be a cakewalk! Think about it; Lightweight 2-door chassis w/ AWD TURBO!!! just a thought.

12-08-2006, 04:11 PM	#73
Chemical Whore Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: San Diego Age: 41 Posts: 20 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	20k for all this?

12-10-2006, 11:38 AM	#76
ronmcdon Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: beverly hills Age: 86 Posts: 4,254 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	I really like the idea a lot, esp adding the awd setup. would there be any possibility of simply doing an awd conversion for the s14, while retaining the use of a sr20det or ka swap? id imagine that would prob be a more affordable alternative a lot more of us, including myself. Im satisfied with my sr swap, but id be really tempted to go awd with an adjustable f/r torque split setup. It would be great for those of us who already have somewhat built cars to add awd and other parts, instead of starting from scratch again.

01-11-2008, 02:22 PM	#77
300hp owen Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: western, NY Age: 48 Posts: 531 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	old old thread but I opened up a new calendar out of Modified Mag and saw the R14 and checked the FullRace site, low and behold it was updated just a few days ago to say they wont be building cars for people but they will offer the kit for the DIY kinda guy. very cool and should keep costs down and let more people be capable of this project. if I didnt have my LS1FC then I would think very seriously about building an R14. I think its a great way to run the GTR drivetrain in a US-legal and somewhat inexpensive chassis. even in tough states you can use an OBD1 '95 S14 and not have major issues with emissions and still use it as a streetcar. I must say, even with 400hp at the wheels it would be one hell of a fun car... I sure wouldnt need 1000hp to go have a blast at a trackday, that would probably be too fast and go thru tires too fast for my wallet. man I cant believe how off topic this thread went with the patent pending bullshit that shoudl have been taken to PM, it only needed to be brought up in here once if anything then laid to rest.... wtf... gotta love the intArWebs, durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. with the passing of time I wonder if FullRace has made any improvements or changes and logged any track time in the car at all or if they have been too busy to do anything at all? I look forward to seeing some updates!!! __________________ cardomain.com/id/LS1T56FC = my crazy ls1 v8 rx7 = sold

01-11-2008, 09:36 PM	#79
bziggers13 Leaky Injector Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Camden Age: 44 Posts: 58 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	that'd be pretty badass.. awd kits eh?? must cost a pretty penny...

01-14-2008, 08:57 AM	#81
300hp owen Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: western, NY Age: 48 Posts: 531 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	from what I have read it was all nissan stuff (no word on subaru, that would probably be even harder to utilize). yes you can build an R34 out of an S13 if you wanted to. it would be sick in an S13 coupe, not many people would guess you'd have a 400hp AWD fire breathing dragon of a powerplant and drivetrain under that old style body... but putting the power down would warrant some 255's at all four corners so look forward to wide front fenders and some $$$ wheels to make it all happen. __________________ cardomain.com/id/LS1T56FC = my crazy ls1 v8 rx7 = sold

01-14-2008, 09:09 AM	#82
a_ahmed BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Oakville, Ontario Posts: 749 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: a_ahmed Feedback Score: 0 reviews	What would be awesome if they did an LS1 AWD hehe, with all the drivetrain technology of the GTR but thats just dreams :P The LS1 imho is such a better more potent/cheaper engine to make go crazy... just my opinion and much lighter too... Too bad you guys never finished the R13... The only thing that would intrigue me most would be the front end suspension swap... from mcpherson strut design to doubleswishbones... if u could sell that as a diy only kit for cheap that'd be neat and i would consider it but alas. I'm an s13

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