dOMEmE

eh eh buddy...all depends on location....thats like comparing downtown LA to some sub-urban city (dont know any off the top of my head) , but ya

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amdnivram

i think your just focusing on the small groups or exceptions because i have no idea what free stuff your talking about. I do see alot of them selling stuff on freeway exits and getting arrested/ getting all their stuff taken away for trying to make a living. Now if your using small examples that are messing up then you can also point out other things that waste the governments money. THere are other groups of illegal immigrants that can also be pointed out. I cant think of anything that is exclusively free to immigrants that isnt to others.

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SR240DET

I think my only complaint with any illegal immigrant is when they drive. You get hit by one and that is it. All you can really do is lay them out before the cops get there.

dOMEmE

lol....well your still gunna get payed, just not in the short time it takes thru insurance but it will happen.

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Touge Noob S13

Watched Man on Fire too many times I see.

Just reading that tells me you don't know a thing about Mexico.

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Matej

Personally what I dislike is the individuals who come over and band together and wave their flags and stuff, talking about pride or whatever, and have no desire to assimilate or even learn the language at least.
It's like, why move someplace else, if you want that place to be exactly as crappy as the place you just left.

By the way, not saying all Mexicans are like that, and that Mexico is crappy, because there are really awesome parts of Mexico. It's just that most of the Mexicans who immigrate here tend to come from the crappy parts, and give all of Mexico a poor image.

dOMEmE

and how or why is that? and i was refering to other countries as well.

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cc4usmc

No trolling on this thread? jk

I agree.

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dOMEmE

its not like NOT learning the language is them wanting to be like the place they left...they didnt come over to learn a new language,they could have learned english over there, they came to work and live better than where they came from...

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Touge Noob S13

+1111111 If only more people would think like you.

You say that rich people from Mexico and other countries should just come here because they live in fear. How can you prove this?

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cc4usmc

It's all a part of the assimilation process. If you want to become a productive member of a society and take advantage of everything it has to offer, you should at least have to decency to learn the language. How far do you think a non-English speaking immigrant is going to get? They might get out of Mexico, but they're only going to end up in the ghetto in the States.

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ronmcdon

Waving the flag, I guess it's more about being proud of heritage.
I REALLY doubt they are proud with the way their country's political & economic sphere
(otherwise, chances are they wouldn't even be here).

I'll agree with you on those immigrants who don't make an effort to assimilate.
(legal or illegal, doesn't matter where from).
At least have the common courtesy and respect for your new home.
Then again, our government has to share some degree of responsibility.
It's not difficult to get by without speaking English,
and technically there is no official language in the US.

Idk if it would be fair to say that most who immigrate come from the crappy parts.
Perhaps more rural, but I would be hesistant to call it crap.
I can see how some Americans would be annoyed by the paisa culture.

amdnivram

im going to disagree with you there, my friends parents are both illegal immigrants and they own a +500k house in a good neighborhood. They may not be the norm, but it shows you that language and assimilating aren't necessarily the only variables to success.

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ronmcdon

Well if you really came over here with the sole intention to 'live better' & get work,
it really makes no sense at all not to learn the English language.

cc4usmc

I was going to respond to your post, #42, where you attempted to defend immigrants not having to learn English, only to see your next post where you make a comment in the opposite direction. I don't respond to in-betweens.



Care to tell us how your parents managed to such success? It really does no good to post circumstances not of the norm, because the norm is the problem. If it was the other way around, and most illegal immigrants were like your parents, then there wouldn't be a problem. Or, at least this problem.

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dOMEmE

i cant prove it, but heres some videos that can help me prove my point...found like hundreds of these....over in mexico gangs dont sell drugs and act all big and bad in the streets like here... over there there main goal isnt how many 7/11's they can rob its how many people with money they can kidnapp to make make money them selves...

there in spanish so you probably wont get it..lol

YouTube - Silvia Vargas

Daughter of famous sport person ^^^

YouTube - Caen secuestradores en Estado de México

YouTube - SECUESTRADORES DE EDOMEX





i get what your getting at but what im trying to say is that thats not there MAIN reason to come...but yea no doubt they should learn it.

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cc4usmc

Ok, I want to start at the top. So, tell me what you think their main reason is for coming.

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ronmcdon

I never did defend immigrants not having to learn English.
Only stated why it's easy to get away with it.

cc4usmc

Sorry, I read this

and thought... "Well, anyone who steps out of their home knows that an overwhelming majority of things are done in English."

The reason why English hasn't been officially made the official language is because someone would complain that it's not politically correct to designate an "official" language in a country with so many non-English speaking people.

But I'm not an expert in official language business at all, so that's just my opinion.

Then again...there was a Coke commercial at the movies about a month ago that was 100% Spanish, so who knows.

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dOMEmE

there main reason is to work to provide food and shelter for there families and in general live a better life than they did in their country, and dont tell me that they NEED to learn english to live here and get a job and blah blah......im not saying they shouldnt though, im just saying its not the main reason they came over.

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OptionZero

The end solution is for Mexico to become a country that one would want to live in.

You can't do that when your own country (USA) is hurting.

One of the things that hurts is illegal immigration - flooding the job market with cheap labor, uninsured drivers, more students that need schools, etc.

There is no way to win without pain.

The most practical solution is to stop all illegal immigration, hell limit immigration even legally, stop blowing money on illegal immigrants. Reinvest all the resources into education our own, legal population and putting the unemployed into work.

When our kids can spell again and the economy picks up and we pay off a little bit of debt even, then we go out and help mexico become less corrupt, improve the health of its cities, build infrastructure, restore faith in the government, and generally become someplace you'd want to stay. Healthy neighbors is a good goal in the big picture.

This is will never happen because:

1) it is not politically expedient
2) lots of current immigrants would be hurt (related to #1)
3) it presumes our education systems and bureaucracy can be fixed at all
4) even if USA can be improved, it won't happen soon (related to all of the above)

Instead, we'll probably mortage our future by borrowing money and making poor short term spending decisions to try and fix all the problems (more freebies to everyone) and end up doing nothing but fucking up the future and the present more.


we could just put a few smart people in charge, fuck democracy, and get shit done
but that also presumes there are smart people out there, that we can find them, and that those smart people are also trustworthy

which is alot of presumptions

in otherwords

no win

Touge Noob S13

Facepalm// I too am Mexican. I can speak, read, and write in Spanish probrably better than you.

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dOMEmE

this country was/is built on immigration..... and about the job market thing, there only taking jobs that most people dont want anyway...


why facepalm...i didnt say you didnt, i said you probably didnt..well ya theres my point....and i go to mexico twice to thrice a year so i know whats going on over there, and the big thing is to kidnapp people.

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cc4usmc

Do you really think they're that better off then they are in Mexico? Honestly, think about it. Tell me what's better. There are Americans who can barely get anywhere, there's only so far you can get.

OptionZero's post is awesome. The US is doing exactly what it does with every other major issue, it finds ways to get around it instead of taking care of it.

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Touge Noob S13

You said that I wouldn't get any of that because it was in Spanish. I also noticed that the videos you posted all said secuestros de EL ESTADO DE MEXICO not all of Mexico EL ESTADO DE MEXICO! A qual estado vas tu dOMEmE porque se oihe que tu vas al estado mas meirda de toda la republica Mexicana.

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dOMEmE

honestly all of those people that say, why is it better... its too much to explain....the only way you will ever fully understand is to live out there and see first hand...i did and its straight up wild wild west....you thought the cops here are corrupt..HA!...housing, food, money issues over there beat the US "problems" by a long shot. and the americans that can barely get anywhere is because there not trying hard enough...

perfect example... on the freeway off ramps, the mexican people at least try to make money selling your oranges or fruits or flowers...dam lazy ass white people just hold a sign that says 'please help need money' ...its because they have no initiative or motivation like most immigrants...they even have the upper hand they were fucking born here!!!! there legel!!! they can easily fucken get a job!!!!!!

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dOMEmE

neta que eres baboso, llo en nigun momento dije que era de ayi. los videos son de ayi..pero si quieres te encuentro videos de otros estados donde si no son secuestros, son narcos, oh politicos que les vale puro verga la jente i nada mas quieren dinero en su bolsa... de una manera o otra el punto es que la vida es cien veses mas mejor aqui que aya. craneale vato neta.

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Touge Noob S13

So do you want a response in English or Spanish because I will gladly give it to you in both languages. Since the main language of this forum is English I will respond in English so no one gets lost. Look the drug lords (narcos) fight amongst themselves mostly and the police on occasions. Most of the people affected are people involved in that business. Corrupt politicians aren't anything new there are some here in the US believe it or not. Mexico isn't perfect yes but no way does it deserve to dragged in the dirt. I do take some pride in being Mexican even if my own people deny it to me (because I don't look like a typical Mexican)

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dOMEmE

or think like one. funny how you said some pride....its either you do or dont buddy cant in between....your location says everything i need to know about you...

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Touge Noob S13

I say some because the people that usually have pride come off as being pro Mexico, all white people are bad, America sucks types. While the ones with no pride are hateful of Mexico for no apparent reason, are ashamed of their heritage, and can't speak Spanish. I love America and Mexico. My parents came to this country in the early eighties looking for a better life and thanks to Ronald Regan they recieved amensty. After that they used their new rights the best they could to achieve their dreams of a good life for them and their children. Dome, you can say what you want about me, I'm pretty used to it for the most part.

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