ESmorz

I paid attention in bio. I have seen cells. My own cells even.

Blow your mind with a microscope.

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Agamemnon

What the hell are you talking about? Cells, atoms, air, chromozomes, etc have all been proven and observed. They exist. Spend $20 and go get a microsope and find out. What, do you think some people had some drinks in a lab one day and started making this shit up?

Also, no REAL scientist will ever claim that the Big Bang and Evolution are facts, just theories. They cant be proven without a shadow of a doubt.

aa87

Yeah, all these things have been not only observed, but manipulated.

Haha, you can live your life on faith, hope and pray.

Or you can open your eyes and take in what's really in front of you.

Science theory vs fact- they can be disproven, but to be considered a theory in science it had to be tested rigorously and has in fact come out conclusively many times.

Theory of Gravity - only a theory. One day we might just start floating ( maybe to the heavens )?

This is just the way i live my life. If theres anything out there more powerful then us, then were certainly too small and miniscule to comprehend it, let alone were likely just a random quark in the everexpansive universe.

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Mi Beardo es Loco

The problem with religion is it has caused more death in the history of mankind. It's supposed to be good and enrich people's lives but wars are waged and people die over something as stupid as religion.
If people started painting with a much broader brush instead of arguing what the deciples name is then the world would be better.

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victorw210

Christians deny evolution and there basis is life is to complicated to happen by chance so it must be intelligent design.

basically there saying i dont understand it therefore its magic!!! and there cant possibly be any other explanation

VROOOM

think like me or die!!!!!

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Bubbles

Your time in high school would have been better spent listening to the English teacher rather than generalizing people and prophesying your ideas.

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NismOkatFreaK

Listen to Rakims song THE MYSTERY, tight song about God and science. People who think we came from from nothing will be nothing in the end, so if you dont find God before your times up your just screwing yourself No one else. No where does it say punishment for believing in GOD so why even chance somthing that sounds like hell, i would rather be wrong and nothing happen then wake up in hell after god turns my ass down!!!

Agamemnon

Because some people dont feel they should follow something so blindly.

FrankDukes

So, one who believes in Atheism, Buddhism, Islam, Judaism, and non Christians and his definitition of Truth and Absolute Truth is incorrect, according to your logic.

So, what you're saying is that All Christians do just and their truth outweighs the rest of the world because the rest of the world is wrong.

Did you know that there are such things as bad and evil "Christians". It's amazing how people turn to religion when they are scared and afraid as those in Prison are.

So a Christians point of view, a BIBLE FEARING PERSON such as that of a Priest or reverand who "touch" alter boys are Truth. I can surely understand the concrete truth there.

That is your logic.

And I just showed you there, that your logic has a hole in it.


[quote=I LUV MY S13;2924072]yea.....ok

No, that's being honest. If I don't know the answer I just say "I don't know."

I think I am not the one who is clueless and you're just impossing your religion on my and telling me it is the right way. I have no fundamental "side" to the argument and already you say I am clueless. Unlike yourself, I can see both sides first, then make my decision, and not follow what society has molded you to believe. One side is saying Black and the other is saying White....Maybe I don't like those options... Maybe I don't like those shades, mabye my truth and my car should be Gunmetal. Maybe black and or white is wrong, mabye Gunmetal is balling. Maybe just maybe...


If I had chosen a side such as "Islam", then I would say that you're wrong and clueless about the truth. And IF I did that, one of us is wrong, because Jebus and Muhammed can't be the same prophets.

YOUR point of view is like those who talk about a 2000hp NISSAN SKYLINE GT-R and are so certain about how they work, about what it feels like to drive one, what they can do, BUT never even sat in one.

MY point of view is like those who talk about a 2000hp NISSAN Skyline GTR and appreciates the idea, BUT I don't have a point of view about the performance nor have such strong oppinions because I have not driven it.

How have such 100% certainty about something they never experience and ONLY hear and influence by WORD of mouth (Parents, friends, teachers, etc.)

If you were born into Christianity most likely you would defend it, If you're born Asian, Black, Hispanic you would most likely have confidence and identity in it, if you were born Buddhist and or Islam you would follow the same beliefs people have Formed you into beliveing.

By saying this you do understand there isn't a 100% certainty. Believe and Faith may guide you to the truth BUT I am implying that the Truth isn't aways what you believe.

Example:
"You can believe in a flying elephant = Truth? No
"You can have faith that the lakers will win next year= Truth? Possibly not certain."
"You can have enlightened trust that God does exist= Truth? Who knows.

hopeless.s13

i find this view interesting because its really not a question of religion leads to violence,
rather,
as all things that can bear significance in a person's heart, there is an unfortunate side of it where you get extremists and fanatics. These are the truly dangerous people, however, it applies to religion just as much as it does to politics, hence the cult of personality. as well all know, hitler was supported by the majority in germany before WWII

of course its not justified. the only time religious warfare is justified was during the crusades (no need for detail) and with extreme fundamental islamists.

NOW, as far as islam goes, im sorry to say but thats a pretty dangerous religion. (IMO?) Because as much as they would like to say it isnt, the koran is full of mandates to kill.
as well as this one quote by mohammad which i find funny:
"for i have seen the hellfires! and that most of its dwellers are women!"
lol at that. haha.

in any case, christianity/catholicism/mormonism/hinduism/buddhism are all religions of peace. and those are explicit commands, most often things are taken out of context and thrown around

drftmark

That is not MY logic, it is a Bible following Christian's logic. I made that post to SHOW THERE IS A HOLE IN THAT LOGIC.

Thanks for elaborating and reproving my point though.

FrankDukes

No problem. But this religion thread won't sway many people from their own "beliefs".

Even if the facts come out...as humans, many of us won't accept it. Like when someone said "the Earth is Round, and not flat." Many people didn't believe and tried to kill such outlandish "rebels". It is only if you're willing to find out and accept the TRUTH, regardless of what you believe and are willing to even go against what you've been taught and once believe was true, then you're ready for the truth.

If one is always adamant about his or her own believe with 100% certainty, he/she shall always be blinded and not ready for the truth.

And that is why I say, This is truth but I may be wrong. This makes sense because Truth like all things may not be constant. Once the Earth was flat, now it's round, and who's to say that one day we find out that there is a 4th or 10th dimension that altered our views and the Earth was really Elipse in shape.

Who's to say that Jebus, Buddah, and Ganesh were not real, maybe they were well respected people who were "kings of kings" and had such great characteristics so that they are role models for us.

But sadly, unlike many of you, I don't have much faith. I don't believe in Ghosts or supernatural events, and I've never experienced nor witness such miracles and devine intervention. I don't think the world is going to end in 2012 either, nor did I on December 31st, 1999.

If you believe in the Bible and that God walked on water, Jonah lived in a fish/whale, a virgin woman giving birth, a garden of Eden and an evil snake tempting the first man and woman to eat a snake, that's fine with me.

If you believe that Muhammed came down ...
If you believe a rich prince Siddhartha Gautama went into meditation and achived enlightenment, that's fine with me to.

Just don't tell me eveything you do is right because you Believe in GOD.

Arguement:

Premise 1: People/Humans make mistakes/errors/fallacies
Premise 2: People/Humans believe in Religion
Premise 3: People who make mistakes/errors/fallacies can also be people who believe in religion.
Premise 4: people who believe in religion, make mistakes/errors/fallacies.

Conclusion: Belief doesn't always mean that you're right. You make mistakes all the time, so to say that you're right because you believe isn't very valid.

"What if I am right and God does exist?"
Answer: Well, good for you...that doesn't mean you're going to heaven either, God will Judge you as well as me, so don't be to confident that if you "believe" you will still go to heaven. You could be an A-hole Christian and God don't like that.

"What if I am right and God does not exist?"
Answer: Well, I guess I wasted all my Sundays and reading a book written by the author of Harry Potter when I should have just watched T.V. and drifted, had premarrital sex, and used a bunch of drugs, and stole a Skyline GTR.

YOU DON'T NEED RELIGION TO BE NICE AND LOVING TO OTHERS. "JUST DON'T MESS WITH OTHER PEOPLE." Plain and simple. You don't need to go to a Building every week to know that. Organized religion is run by HUMANS and it's all politics anyway, these people preach B.S. and are corrupted.

If you're going to believe, Believe in GOD, not organized groups of power hungry posers.

dOMEmE

and why havent the mods closed this yet???..........thats what blows my mind.....

JesusFreakDrifter

the thing i dont like about "religions" such as islam/judaism(ugh no offense)/christianity or the separation, is pretty much the denominations of which, sephardic and non sephardic jews, baptists, evangelicals, catholics, lutherans, etc/ hamas, nation of islam, watever; im just sayin,i feel as if the human element is wat corrupted true "religion," and i use that word rather loosely because after i studied many different religions such as buddhism, which is pretty much a lifestyle rather than a religion, i notice how we can get so caught up in changing people with our own views of ones history and greed....what i mean is a lot of different peoples believe in a creation epic, which is definitely cclose to the bibles rendition of the creation epic....there is a tribe in ruanda, that says they have the exact creation epic...however us, as the "civilized" elitist capitilist whoremongers that we are, we would shun such notion as far as believing that anything beyond the bible or the qu'ran, or scriptures is devils work or otherwise...the egyptian book of the dead, was said to be taken and plagiarized by the bible and vice versa, so one thing i can hold as fact is history....true history, not the half assed, mental slave history, that was spoon fed to everyone, because not many people can read the original hebrew to translate the scriptures for themselves, on top of the fact that there are many books taken out of the bible that keep are in accordance with relevance and provides logical explanations to such stories, such as noah's ark, the fallen angels, the devils...everything....the people who hold such information would have hell to pay for allowing the mass public to view it on top of which, it would expose them for who they are....(hopefully i haven't lost anyone), yes, i agree that man will never know everything, but wat i have come to understand somewat in my short time here on earth, is that there are millions of galaxies, and prolly even more universes, no has seen heaven or god, but whoever created all this, that is beyond our earth, galaxy, universe, has to be great, the greatest...and if we understand that and that is our true direction for living a decent, conscientious righteous life, then who am i to go and push bible on them, or watever, i'll be the change i want to see in the world and in turn someone will notice and change as well....it happens all the time....if u wanna talk more pm me,,,even tho u can just comment here, i may not believe wat u believe in....

believe me what i tell you, when i say "jesusfreakdrifter" i really mean yahoshua freak drifter lol

ESmorz

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