make sure u get a BIG amp if ur gonna get those 6000'z they aren't very sensitive..... the subs that i love the &quot;mostest&quot; are the Cerwin Vega Vega - Series subs..... *druel* they are the nicest..... i had 2 tens they out-dualed so many sets of 12's that it was almost no contest and my subs were feared in my town... no joke. &nbsp;u can give the vega's 100 watts each (make sure its clean power) and they can hit harder than alot of subs out there.... i had mine in a bandpass in my trunk (s-14) and WOW! i couldn't fit the 12's that i wanted so i was stuck with 10's <img src="#/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('> but they surpirised me non-the less. &nbsp;u can find them on-line for as little as $110 for the 12's a piece or 99 for tens..... don't over look these they are spectacular subs i have a pic of those and how much room they took up in my trunk..... i think.... so if ur interested lemme know. the box u could probably find for like 100 if u wanna go bandpass...... but u dont have a trunk with these subs in there.... they require a bit of air space... and they require a ported box.

dragon240sx

Hey, sounds like they are pretty good quality for their price range! If I can get them for around $100 a piece that'd be awesome! I'd like to see that pic if you have it. So you said they require a bandpass box? As long as it'll fit in the trunk that's no problem because I don't use my trunk for anything anyway...Thanks for your help!

i sent a few pics...... they can be in a ported box but i'd recommend a bandpass..... cuz they kick major ass in there... 10's will fit for sure.... 12'z won't u'd need a custom box for twelves

dragon240sx

Ah, okay...so bandpass box it is <img src="#/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> Thanks for the pics. What series did you have? All I saw on Crutchfield.com for the Vega series was some 10's that were $178 a piece...where else should I look for them?

well if ur interested in the tens i'll look to see where the best place is to get them on-line.... and i'll get back to u

dragon240sx

Hey, I got another question...I know Fuzzy Ewok mentioned Orion subs, but have any of the rest of you heard them? I had another friend tell me they're really good and showed me a place I can get some XTR's for only $99!

silvia240

For me, i like clean crisp bass, i also listen to rap and r&amp;b, i dont like that crazy bass that never stops. &nbsp;Mine hits hard as #### but its very clean. it all depends on the person. so listen to different kinds of subs and get what you like the best. &nbsp;

i listen to all kinds of music.... and some speakers just DONT play well with certain types of music my set-up is mostly for rap and hip-hop music i have pioneer and kicker speakers.... they work wonderfully for rap/ hip-hop techno.... and the like.

whateverjames

i have 2 10&quot; polk dx's ($180/pr on sale) and a 360 rockford punch amp. i'm running it in 2ohms because i'm a cheap bastard, but i didn't plan on buying these subs. in 2 ohms i'm pushing 520 watts, and i need about 80 more watts to get the subs' full potential. they sound good but they aren't extremely loud. i listen to metal, and the double bass drums sounds great. anyone know a place to amps cheap online?

Fuzzy Ewok

Blah, it figures...internet error right as I post a long one. <img src="#/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> Well, I'll sum it up real quick...

You can visit the Orion site at http://www.orioncaraudio.com if you like. Even the lowliest Orion speakers and amps (Cobalt series) are based on competition quality products. And the Cobalt series will kick the shit out of a lot of stuff out on the market right now. <img src="#/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> Orion sponsored cars have a tendancy to win a lot of competitions, and they've decided to only make high quality products.

If you can get XTR's for $99.00 a piece you're doing well...I think you'd be very happy with them. <img src="#/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> They're a fine speaker, to say the least.

Obviously I'm biased towards Orion, but the truth is that all of the brands and products listed in this thread are excellent and would serve you well. Don't get too worried about making &quot;the right choice&quot; as I think you'll be very pleased with anything you get off the list here. <img src="#/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

Orion makes very high quality stuff, but you do pay for it...they're not usually cheap. My suggestion would be to browse their site and use the &quot;Dealer Locator&quot; on their main page to find a store near you that carries their brand. They are very picky about whom they allow to sell their products, hence the rarity of seeing them. Go into a store and ask questions about them...they'll be able to tell you anything you'd like to know. That way you can find out if the brand is right for you.

One last thing...while you're browsing the site, check out the enclosures section. They've got some designs for a couple of nice custom bandpass boxes, as well as an innovative and space-saving setup for two XTR Pro 10&quot;s (XTR and XTR Pro are similar enough that they'd work well in that setup). If nothing else, you can get some great ideas for custom boxes. <img src="#/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

Good luck and happy hunting!

LegendZ28

I don't understand why people are so into bandpass and ported boxes really, I always liked sealed boxes. They may require more amp power to sound nice but they are alot cleaner and require less space.

My friend has some eclipse subs in a sealed box and it has the best bass I have ever heard in my life, like I couldn't hear myself think over the bass. I need to ask him about his setup but he's dissapeared, he told me his entire setup cost a little over 2k though, so it sure wasn't cheap.

misnomer

Dunno how much this will help, though I'm putting together a somewhat cheaper system for my '92 s13 hatchback. Made new baffles to fit 6.5&quot; Infinite Kappa components up front &amp; placed tweets in door panels. 4x6 Kappas in back (both purchased from Crutchfield's). Kenwood head unit. I'm borrowing my sister's MTX Blue Thunder 8&quot; subs and Profile amp at the moment, though plan on switching over to sealed-box Kappa 10&quot; subs once I come across the money. I listen to primarily rock and country (oh I feel so alone. . . <img src="#/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> ), but music isn't the #1 goal of my car. If anybody has any questions on the s13 speaker setup (bypassing amps, etc), gimme a hollar. Haven't had time to find the rear speaker amp yet, but it's gotta go too <img src="#/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

Grant

I never was a fan of orion until my friend and I put a system in his tacoma, although it was one XTR in a ported box it could be heard from 2 blocks away and it was clean and clear. I also like the kicker comp vr's but the XTR's were able to hit cleaner and lower in my opinion (I have owned a kicker compVR before). I am not that crazy about bass anymore so my next sub will be either a JL or diamond audio since they are pretty well known for their sound quality. &nbsp;Anyways, hope this helps, cant wait to get rid of those #### factory amps on my car.

lunatik

Misnomer,
&nbsp; I used to have infinity Kappas in my truck. &nbsp;They were kind of expensive, and I really didn't like them too much. &nbsp;I will never buyanother pair of kappas, fortunately they were stolen from my truck, And I bought some Mb quartz. &nbsp;there are better speakers, at lower prices than the kappas. &nbsp;Shop around before you buy them!

my240likenoother

well to let you people know i have been into this for about 8 years and i have &nbsp;2 ,12&quot;JLw0's and i runing 600 watts to it and i sound great and i can also reach 140db's
i only have $1,200 in to it and it looks good too

if ne1 has some Q's just ask and i will love to help

misnomer

I did shop around, and found the Kappas on sale, that's why I bought them :-)