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Old 04-17-2007, 11:03 AM   #61
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For the sake of decency

VQswap.com is how should I say it not my cup of tea. My friends have inspected that setup and its shall I say not appealing. They want good money for a less than desirable kit, IMHO. The only thing they did thats nice was the the shifter bracket mod. They also work with Chris Kregorian aka Milano motorsports. that scares me . Do a search on Milano and Chris Kregorian if you wonder.

On the smog, you guys can read up on it yourself. Its on the web. If you swap in a newer engine sold in the United states with all smog equipment and take it to the ref they will clear it for smog and use. It will get a sticker and yes it will pass visual all the smog tech will do is look for all the required visual equipment.
If you eliminate throttle by wire it will not be smog legal as the system needs to see that to not throw a cel.
As far as engine weight goes. The engine itself is lighter than a KA the transmission is heavier. Though the transmission being the mid area of the car its not over critical. I will not claim a different weight balance setup. Until I have the swap done and have corner weighted the car. I.E. yes folks I am planning on doing the VQ swap.
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I just got this from the guy at vqswap.com:
i dont know the guy on zilvia we have a very nice kit you can see for yourself i also own sandimasauto.us and we tune chris milanos 350 BUT we do not have any relationship to him regarding our buiseness or any other products we have i have registered on zilvia and will post as soon as they let me but if you would like to post this for me that would be great thanks
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sick link bro! posi! I'm pretty darn sure you'll still have to use custom engine mounts with the 5spd though.
nah, that vq30det s14 with v mount above bolted everything in using the 5sp.

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I just got this from the guy at vqswap.com:
i dont know the guy on zilvia we have a very nice kit you can see for yourself i also own sandimasauto.us and we tune chris milanos 350 BUT we do not have any relationship to him regarding our buiseness or any other products we have i have registered on zilvia and will post as soon as they let me but if you would like to post this for me that would be great thanks
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and can you really expect the person selling the kit to say nothing less than they have a nice kit? Give me a break.
Its good he clearly states having no relation with Chris Milano. Yet, the car on my VQ swap was the back up car for Chris's Car at the Formula D Long Beach. hmmmm no relationship ok.
I have a first hand report on his mounts from someone that talked to him in person and checked out his swap in person. I am sorry but from the description I got I don't like it. Thats my perogative. I am not going to say any more here.

Oh yeah and least I forgot San Dimas Auto is all over Chris Milano's cars which basically means Chris is sponsored by San Dimas auto. hmmmm no relations or relationships? Ya, ok.
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I gotcha, that's actually what I wanted to know [if you had that info] by posting that. Thanks.
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[QUOTE=brainfood]Couple missconceptions in this thread that should be clarified.

VQ will not give you a 50/50 wieght distribution. If it wieghs a little more than a ka and we know the 6sp wieghs more than a ka trans. Even if it lower and pushed back slightly ka cars are usually 58/42 Even sr cars are only 54/46 most of the time or at most 52/48. If it keeps getting repeated in this thread that going VQ will give you 50/50 then it will go down as the word of god on internet forums even though it is a false statement. (if someone has a vq powered s14 and wants to prove me wrong please put it on the scales I am dieing to see it)

I didn't literally mean a perfect 50/50 ratio just referring to how close it could be with the VQ. I can't say what it would be w/o actually doing the swap and weighing it like some others posted. I'm sure it has to be better than the KA being it sits a little lower and is 1 piston shorter in length. Thanks for input I love this thread.
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I think that the vqswap.com parts look pretty good actually and I wouldnt hesitate to buy the 6sp shifter relocater and crossmember from them. I think I would do custom motor mounts though. But for $800 it looks like a pretty good setup. I assuming that it uses stock z33 mounts, and will it work with stock headers for smog reasons? I might think about this swap in the new car, gotta start piecing it together. Would make for a great daily setup in my s13
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FYI smog isn't legal without the OEM ecu......
Just to clarify for people doing the swap......
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Couple missconceptions in this thread that should be clarified.

VQ will not give you a 50/50 wieght distribution. If it wieghs a little more than a ka and we know the 6sp wieghs more than a ka trans. Even if it lower and pushed back slightly ka cars are usually 58/42 Even sr cars are only 54/46 most of the time or at most 52/48. If it keeps getting repeated in this thread that going VQ will give you 50/50 then it will go down as the word of god on internet forums even though it is a false statement. (if someone has a vq powered s14 and wants to prove me wrong please put it on the scales I am dieing to see it)

I didn't literally mean a perfect 50/50 ratio just referring to how close it could be with the VQ. I can't say what it would be w/o actually doing the swap and weighing it like some others posted. I'm sure it has to be better than the KA being it sits a little lower and is 1 piston shorter in length. Thanks for input I love this thread.

although a lot of the weight balance issues can be cleared up by suspension, there is no way out of the box that it would be 50/50. I will weigh mine once its running to give you a proper weight. But I HIGHLY doubt it will end up heavier than a KA by more than 40 pounds... 40 pounds is the stock car battery and you can move that shit around.
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I think that the vqswap.com parts look pretty good actually and I wouldnt hesitate to buy the 6sp shifter relocater and crossmember from them. I think I would do custom motor mounts though. But for $800 it looks like a pretty good setup. I assuming that it uses stock z33 mounts, and will it work with stock headers for smog reasons? I might think about this swap in the new car, gotta start piecing it together. Would make for a great daily setup in my s13
Ok since your going to go there. Lets look at this objectively. First off look closely at the engine install pics. You will see that the engine sits way forward, in fact its almost, if not farther forward than where the stock KA sits. So much to the point, that he had to make swaybar spacers for the oil pan and block to clear the sway bar. Hmmmm, excuse me we are not talking about a RB here. The VQ is a short engine. You should not even have to do that on a install.
Next up, yes his shift bracket does look really nice, but useless if you want to set the engine in your bay as it should be and not how he has done it. I.E. with the proper install it would be to long.
This is just looking at his swap and how its done. I have associates that have inspected it in person.
I am not even getting into the whole denial of the San Dimas auto sponsorship of Chris Milano and total involvement with him.

His whole swap from a mechanical standpoint, while it has some ok points still does not meet the criteria of being able to be sold to people IMHO. Nor does it meet the criteria of an ideal VQ swap, due to the stated reasons above.

P.S. I have experience in selling engine swap kits that work and are worth selling to the public.
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Well I went back and looked at the pics and the oil pan from what I can see (pics arent the best quality) restricts moving the motor much further back same with the intake manifold in these pics. You have to have enough room to tilt the motor back to get the transmission out when you want to do a clutch job. Granted if you were looking for ideal vq swap you could cut and box the subframe and also cut into the firewall or run a custom intake manifold to provide more clearance there. But then you are talking about a lot of extra work. You might as well do another swap for all that work ls1/1jz, something cheaper and more reliable with more stock power. Kinda defeats the point of the vq swap if you are going to go to such great length to set it further back. These are all my opinions and they are based on the pictures in this thread and vqswap.com website I have not examined the car in person so I dont know anything other than what I can see from the pics. I am thinking for a easy reliable setup for cheap its not a bad kit. I am curious to see the mounts because I think if I did it I would make custom mounts. But other than that I am sure the kit is a solid kit and will be a good option for most guys.

Edit: I am not even going to get into the milano thing, I would never buy this kit if it was designed made by milano. Point of his response to that was it is not, San Dimas is not Milano auto just one of his sponsors, maybe he should sponsor somone with a little more tact in representing the industry/scene/sponsors but it really has no direct effect on the quality of the kit or the reliability of the company making the kit.
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Bryan, If your are ever in san diego you can come by and look at my engine bay and completely retract your statement. There is alot of room in this swap, pictures dont do it justice. Like litteraly the way the VQswap guys have it, you have soo much room you could change the clutch by just poping the hood, it is just that ridiculous. The way my (fred allen burge) have the swap it fits very snug against the fire wall while still having easy access to all sensors and clearance.
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This thread is full of great stuff guys. Thanks again for all the info. This is why I like Zilvia, knowledgeable guys that are straight to the point.

Speaking of the intake manifold clearance, I was thinking of getting an aftermarket one, or maybe fabbing one that faces angularly-forward, especially since I'm eventually going turbo, as this would cut out a few feet of IC piping.
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Bryan, If your are ever in san diego you can come by and look at my engine bay and completely retract your statement. There is alot of room in this swap, pictures dont do it justice. Like litteraly the way the VQswap guys have it, you have soo much room you could change the clutch by just poping the hood, it is just that ridiculous. The way my (fred allen burge) have the swap it fits very snug against the fire wall while still having easy access to all sensors and clearance.

Do you have their mount kit Ib? I would like to check it out and I would be the first to admit that all my opinions are based on those picks and not actually seeing the car in person I cant say anything for sure.
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for that I would look into using VQ30 intake manifold and modify it so the throttle body faces the front of the car and not the rear.

bryan no I have a fwd block they don't have a kit for that yet. I have bought Fred's swap but you can come by my house and check it out and check the clearance I have vs pictures. honestly it will be easy to see once you see what I have in person because it is a big difference.
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I was thinking about that, but it seems like it has a too small of runners and plenum for a high-rpm turbo motor. I think maybe I'll test that one out, and then fab a new one and compare the two. Will the 30 intake even fit the 35 though? I was told it wouldn't.

On the custom one, I thought of making the intake runners similar to the Kinetix SSV manifold but with a tapered plenum and angled throttle body, like you would see on an RB aftermarket manifold.
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Bryan, I am in the process of getting ready to do the swap myself. I am going to be doing my own custom setup. There is a good chance a kit will come out of it. I can say, it will sit as ideal as I can get it and as far back as I can get it. From all the information I have gathered the VQ engine itself is as light or lighter than a KA. The transmission is definitely heavier, hence the desire in doing this swap to set the engine back so as to keep the extra wieght more towards the center of the car.
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Bryan, I am in the process of getting ready to do the swap myself. I am going to be doing my own custom setup. There is a good chance a kit will come out of it. I can say, it will sit as ideal as I can get it and as far back as I can get it. From all the information I have gathered the VQ engine itself is as light or lighter than a KA. The transmission is definitely heavier, hence the desire in doing this swap to set the engine back so as to keep the extra wieght more towards the center of the car.

I gathered that you were doing the swap, I cant wait to see it I am sure it will be the best positioning possible without major mods. You are keeping the 6sp? and just customizing the linkage? Any plans to mod the subframe or firewall?
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does the frontier shorter rear linkage bracket work? has anyone tried it yet?
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Screw VQswap, I'm waiting for drift freaq's kit to come out. RWD or FWD drift freaq?
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I'm sure he will make a RWD kit first, and with my help IE him using my car as a basis he will be making a fwd kit.
BTW RWD upper pan + FWD lower pan = great clearance.
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I gathered that you were doing the swap, I cant wait to see it I am sure it will be the best positioning possible without major mods. You are keeping the 6sp? and just customizing the linkage? Any plans to mod the subframe or firewall?
yes, keeping the 6 speed makes sense. I will just run J30(3:92:1 gears) differential which has the ABS sensor to run the speedo already built in. I will install a clutch pack LSD in it(hehehehehehe).
Done right their should not be a need for firewall modification. Again this is a short V6 not a straight inline 6. Subframe modification? No reason seen at the moment.
Like Ib speculated RWD will be the first order. Of course having IB around with his car will allow looking into a FWD block work around as well.
Just to show how serious I am about this whole thing. My RB car is technically falling into the for sale catagory. I figure I would rather mover forward with somethng new.

P.S. As far as other peoples kits are concerned, I have seen people coming up with great ideas. I have not seen any one of them put something together that was cohesive in all areas of the swap IMO. Though some have come close. I applaud their efforts in these areas and in the whole thing overall.

This is not something I thought of doing this late in the game either. This has been on my mind for a long time, though I was sidetracked by other projects and work.
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Yeah in a few weeks I'm taking my car to Powered By Max and they are going to finish up the cooling setup,exhaust, transmission cross member for me. the way it is right now is the flipped s14 trans kmember and 1 bolt in on each side, which isnt bad but my car is deffinatly going to be abused and lots of clutch kicking so they are going to modify mine.
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i've seen the vqswap.com setup up close and I thought it was pretty cool, they do have the only complete kit right now, and I have to say it looked good and I was impressed with some of the smaller details like the 350z cluster and the hoses, wiring, etc. Maybe there are a few things I might have done differently like the mounts, but honestly I cannot really say too much about their setup as I have not done a vq swap yet and maybe there are some problems that will creep up during the process

I just thank everyone whos doing swaps right now because with each one we're learning better ways to do things.
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I love how VQswap is trying to bash me on engineswaptech because I told people that I gotten info from a reliable source that the setup was a little messed up and that a higher quality kit was coming out.

His original thread:
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Hey Drift Freaq, are you going to try to make this swap smog legal or is that a plan for something down the road maybe.

Also not directed at Drift Freaq just a general question. I was looking at the s14 with the vq swap in Modified Mag and something bothered me, so I throw this to you guys.
Does the Oil pan sit low on that car or is it just me?

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