BustedS13

i totally don't give a shit, they can all come over if they want.

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DataXUnknown

Are you talking about ILLEGAL or LEGAL immigration?

Legal, yeah they can all come over too I don't mind.

Illegal however, I would shoot every single one that tried. Taking advatage of all our shit costing the taxpayers millions

dOMEmE

......ever poked your head in the drive thrue window of your favorite fast food spot? well odds are there ILLEGAL immigrants making your food...people stocking food at supermarkets, yup them too....they all work with illegal papers but make no doubt about it they also pay taxes...so i guess you can say there paying double taxes right? they probably work harder than you and make less...all they want is to make a living to support there family...if you have any mexican friends go and shoot there parents then! odds are there parents are hella illegal.

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DataXUnknown

Just to make this clear I'm not going to shoot anyone, I was just useing that term to get a point across.

A lot of the illegal immigrants do not pay taxes at all though, and thats what makes people very angry.

Working harder than me? I've worked in a warehouse in Santa Ana, CA where 90% of the workers there were of mexican decent, and I'm sure almost all of them were illegal. I worked just as much as the hardest mexican working there (100+ hours for 2 weeks).

I'm sure I have some friends parents that are illegal, or their grandparents

dOMEmE

i did say probably, im a warehouse worker too......and honestly i doubt its alot of immigrants that dont pay taxes....most of them got smart and got fake papers to work and pay taxes to get there tax returns....

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Killa_D

Even then most illegals don't even do tax returns so ever wonder where all that money goes? Why do you think the government doesn't give a shit about illegal people? Do you seriously think the government doesn't know where illegal people work/live? hell yeah they do they just benefit way to much. What happens when an illegal gets into trouble you may ask, (crimes, DUI, and other shit) their asses get sent back to where ever they come from. Most people are just way too ignorant and don't know better.

I LUV MY S13

Really??

well im illegal and tag all over thee streets..

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I really hope you're kidding.

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I LUV MY S13

of course i was, i was born here and hate bitch ass taggers..i was responding to that dumbfuck that wants to "murder" illegal immigrants..

statements like that pisses me off, i have a few family members that are illegal immigrants (from mexico), they do work hard, they are good people, and they honestly don't cost tax payers much money at all....

its those few apples that spoil the bunch i guess you can say..

my uncle has lived in this country for almost 10 years now. hes married, he works, owns a house, has 2 babies, and is one of the greatest persons i know...works at an autoshop partime and is in charge of some of the onion and strawberry fields in fresno, makes a fair amount doing it also..yeah and for those who claim that mexican immigrants take up jobs, he is willing to hire anybody that WANTS to work out there..if anything the mexican immigrants are taking the jobs that people dont want, you guys think its so bad, well do your research and lookup the benefits of illegal immigrants..

gaining citizenship aint easy

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Brian

Is it supposed to be easy?

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codyace

So let me ask this (devils advocate)

Lets assume all of these illegals become legal citizens, and then just end up on our social network services anyway? They are an equal burden on taxpayers, accept for hte fact that they are now almost guarantees protection.

I mean it's a tough situation either way. I look at it from the 'capability' perspective, not the 'cost'...as either way they could end up 'costing' us.

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amdnivram

this statement is implying that people aren't already using social network services that don't even need it. Instead of pointing at those who are afraid to protect themselves people should see those who are fully capable and blame them for being lazy and a parasite on the economy. I'm sure not all the people who get financial help are immigrants, hell im positive that most are legal.

IM sure waiting a couple of years and being in dept is easier than risking your life and going through horrendous conditions in order to have a better life.


is there anyway i can combine my two since i posted one before see the other quote =/

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codyace

Not implying anything:

My comment was in relation to those who say

'zomg illegals are a drain on our tax dollars and they get them without being legal'

vs

'well lets assume we legalize them all, and then a bunch of them are put onto legal support....

What's really the bigger 'toll' on the taxpayer?

Trust me, I'm A HUGE propoent of the 'underemployment' statistics vs the 'unemployed' statistics. There are PLENTY of people who are capable of work (again like above, capability) who simply view jobs as 'beneath them' and would rather be jobless or collect. ....but that's a debate for another thread hehe.

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ronmcdon

Think it depends on the party in question trying to get over.
You figure ppl who have money, education, & can actually afford to wait for years, already have such a difficult time coming over.

What are the odds that somebody who doesn't have time or $$$.
They can't afford to wait.
They might not even have the option to deal with the immigration process.

Ppl just take the most practical route available to them.

ericcastro

Maybe you should aim that gun over at the Tobacco industry first.
Medical is where our money goes.
And the majority of our medical problems come from things we doto ourselves.

Plus, everytime an immigrant buys something, he pays taxes unless he is in oregon.

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BustedS13

plenty of stupid things cost taxpayers millions, but mexicans seem to be the only one everyone would like to murder.
really don't see why somebody looking for freedom and opportunity should be murdered.

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ronmcdon

idk who the hell would want to come over,
esp with the economy in the shitter these days.

well maybe texas aint so bad.
unemployment was like 12.6% last i read.

dOMEmE

trust me RONMCDON its shittier over there.

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Touge Noob S13

Its shitty over there if you are poor. Otherwise if you have money you live a life similer or better than the US....

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PinkPanther

Untill you are kidnapped and murdered.

dOMEmE

92% of mexico is poor......

and yes you are right on this one...lol..tourist get there ass kidnapped and they dont live there, imagine how scared the rich natives are. if i was rich in another country i would not live in fear everyday of my life,ill just move my happy rich ass to the US...and by doing that its making there country of origin even poorer...

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DataXUnknown

Well I agree, there are plenty of stupid things that cost taxpayers millions. There are debates for those as well, this is specifically a debate on mexican immigration. Someone looking for freedom and opportunity, sneaking and getting free shit while others have to pay is not freedom and opportunity.

If a sandwich shop gave out free sandwiches to those whom are mexican, and you had to pay for one (not being of mexican decent) wouldn't you be pretty ticked off? Just because they are looking for freedom and opportunity doesn't mean they should get free healthcare and social security and drivers licenses and all that financial aiding.

Whatever happened to equality?

BustedS13

what are all these free things illegal immigrants are getting?

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dOMEmE

haha! yea i want to know too.....reperations???

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cc4usmc

It was never supposed to be about equality of things, just rights. Everyone has equal right to get what everyone else has, they've just got to work for it. That goes for people of all colors, races etc. Supporting people who needed help was never meant to go higher then it needed, but we can all see how that has turned out.

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PinkPanther

food and shelter in our jails, courtesy of you and me.

BustedS13

there are quite a few people in jail for no reason that i do not care to pay for. people in jail for simple possession/use of marijuana come to mind. i'd wager there are more people serving time for marijuana-related "crimes" than illegal immigrants in jail.

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PinkPanther

Agreed. Maybe we need to stop buying so many goods from China and have them produced in jails.

dOMEmE

you do know that the prison population is like 60% black right? then mexican then white...and the other % is "other"...

and shelter!? wtf...like 20 people live under one roof in a mexican household...shelter here in LA is mostly for black people and the cracked out white people...SKIDROW in la, you should visit it sometime...

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spooled240

I understand they are just seeking a better life but I think they should at least pay taxes like everyone else since they enjoy all the benefits of the welfare system, food stamps, etc. especially since america is going bankrupt lol

then again there's a lot of lazy ass americans and their welfare fraud...at least a lot of the illegal immigrants are hard workers.