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Arizona's Next Immigration Target: Children of Illegals - Yahoo! News


"Anchor babies" isn't a very endearing term, but in Arizona those are the words being used to tag children born in the U.S. to illegal immigrants. While not new, the term is increasingly part of the local vernacular because the primary authors of the nation's toughest and most controversial immigration law are targeting these tots - the legal weights that anchor many undocumented aliens in the U.S. - for their next move.

Buoyed by recent public opinion polls suggesting they're on the right track with illegal immigration, Arizona Republicans will likely introduce legislation this fall that would deny birth certificates to children born in Arizona - and thus American citizens according to the U.S. Constitution - to parents who are not legal U.S. citizens. The law largely is the brainchild of state Sen. Russell Pearce, a Republican whose suburban district, Mesa, is considered the conservative bastion of the Phoenix political scene. He is a leading architect of the Arizona law that sparked outrage throughout the country: Senate Bill 1070, which allows law enforcement officers to ask about someone's immigration status during a traffic stop, detainment or arrest if reasonable suspicion exists - things like poor English skills, acting nervous or avoiding eye contact during a traffic stop. (See the battle for Arizona: will a border crackdown work?)

But the likely new bill is for the kids. While SB 1070 essentially requires of-age migrants to have the proper citizenship paperwork, the potential "anchor baby" bill blocks the next generation from ever being able to obtain it. The idea is to make the citizenship process so difficult that illegal immigrants pull up the "anchor" and leave. (See pictures of the Great Wall of America.)

The question is whether that would violate the U.S. Constitution. The 14th Amendment states that "all persons, born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States." It was intended to provide citizenship for freed slaves and served as a final answer to the Dred Scott case, cementing the federal government's control over citizenship.

But that was 1868. Today, Pearce says the 14th Amendment has been "hijacked" by illegal immigrants. "They use it as a wedge," Pearce says. "This is an orchestrated effort by them to come here and have children to gain access to the great welfare state we've created." Pearce says he is aware of the constitutional issues involved with the bill and vows to introduce it nevertheless. "We will write it right." He and other Republicans in the red state Arizona point to popular sympathy: 58% of Americans polled by Rasmussen think illegal immigrants whose children are born here should not receive citizenship; support for that stance is 76% among Republicans.

Those who oppose the bill say it would lead to more discrimination and divide the community. Among them is Phoenix resident Susan Vie, who is leading a citizen group that's behind an opposing ballot initiative. She moved to the U.S. 30 years ago from Argentina, became a naturalized citizen and now works as a client-relations representative for a vaccine company. "I see a lot of hate and racism behind it," Vie says. "Consequently, I believe it will create - and it's creating it now - a separation in our society." She adds, "When people look at me, they will think, 'Is she legal or illegal?' I can already feel it right now." Vie's citizen initiative would prohibit SB 1070 from taking affect, place a three-year moratorium on all related laws - including the anchor baby bill - to buy more time for federal immigration reform. Her group is racing to collect 153,365 signatures by July 1 to qualify for the Nov. 2 general election.

Both sides expect the anchor baby bill to end up before the U.S. Supreme Court before it is enacted. "I think it would be struck down as facially unconstitutional. I can't imagine a federal judge saying this would be OK," says Dan Barr, a longtime Phoenix lawyer and constitutional litigator. Potentially joining the anchor baby bill at the Supreme Court may be SB 1070, which Arizona Republican Governor Jan Brewer signed into law in April. It is set to take effect July 29, but at least five courtroom challenges have been filed against it. Pearce says he will win them all.

renegade_ewok

Thats about the worst copy/paste ever.

alpha180sx

really? no one is perfect.

kingkilburn

This is going to get the government of Arizona removed. This is NOT a state's rights issue and they are pushing way to hard against the Federal government.


This is in the wrong section btw.

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ronmcdon

the 'cut & paste' is just fine.
(if it isn't, at least be constructive enough to state the reasons why)

I do think a more appropriate forum would be Loud Noises.
Ppl are prob going to get riled up about this.

Have to think about this one, AZ has some interesting stuff going on these days.

kingkilburn

They are fascist at this point.

You have to have your papers for fear of deportation. Now they are denying papers to LEGAL citizens.

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ranger240

oh yeah compare things to the nazis..... magnitude doesn't matter when examining history



guess what? it was illegal for the mothers to be here... hence the kids shouldn't have legally been born here


other countries don't award birth certificates to non-citizen births, let alone ILLEGAL presence on their soil.


sure it sucks that your parents broke the law when you were born, but guess what? you were supposed to be in mexico or canada or ireland or wherever the hell your parents are citizens of..


will it be a disaster/mess to implement? ABSOLUTELY

does this law make perfect sense? ABSOLUTELY

do i care what kingkillburns or whoever's retort to mine will be? ABSOLUTELY NOT

hey guys we should go on the gold std. btw

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kingkilburn

I have German citizenship for being born there so you are once again wrong.

The citizenship of the mother is irrelevant.



Comparing a little fascism to a lot is a fair and correct.

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handinpants

Finally, someone who speaks logically. I have been waitingfor this for a long time. As far as it being unconstitutional, well I find it funny the illegals understand the word unconstitutional, but they don't understand the word illegal

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Exactly. In the US, if your are born here, your an American. In any other country in the world, if you are born there... you are whatever your parents are.

So if your a Turk born in Germany, your still a Turk, even if your family has lived their since the Ottoman Empire invaded 300 years ago.

If your Dad was Korean, and his ancestors brought to Japan as slaves, and your born their... your still a Korean.

If Mexicans are so worried about "immigration rights" then why is Mexico so hard on its own illegal aliens from Guatemala, Honduras and Nicaragua. Why are they not instantly giving Citizenship, free health-care and college benefits once they cross the boarder? Are their Children instantly made Mexican citizens?

If you even actually been to real Meixco, and not a Cruise Resort, the check points, random searches and constant questioning by "Federal" police is beyond anything a common American can begin to understand.

First thing Google Pulls Up -

Michelle Malkin » Police state: How Mexico treats illegal aliens

ronmcdon

Just a matter of time before those ne'er do wells in AZ set up concentration camps and attempt to summon the devil.

Matej

As a legal non-citizen US resident, I support what Arizona is doing.

spools420a

As a person living in AZ I support what AZ is doing,I'm ot much for immagrants trashing are land and economy leading to our biggest econimical disasters in hystory for arizona,Our land is being destroyed and our money is all being sent out to familys in forign countrys and were getting boycotted for trying to not fall into a depression?
http://www.bettorschat.com/forums/ra...tucson-az.html











this is one of a few immigrant trafficking highways from the mexican border to arizona in the senora desert.


And people think AZ's to strict about our immigration laws lol please,If they dont want to be so targeted by the community and being unwanted then maybe they should,..um maybe clean up after themselves for starters.

cc4usmc

I love it, way to set the example Arizona. Three cheers for Arizona!

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kingkilburn

If this is what you guys want then get the law changed that makes the children citizens. I still wont agree with it but to deny them what is(currently) rightfully theirs is just wrong.

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HyperTek

It will pass, then none-AZ residents will go over there and boycott, because they know whats right for AZ people when they do not live there.. lol


I support AZ in wanting to clean up, they are just protecting themselves.

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cc4usmc

I think it's funny how thing in one state can be legal but in another it's not. We're all part of the same country yet we're divided in so many ways.

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I LUV MY S13

its called federalism and it makes sense..i dont want the to be governed the same way someone 3,000 miles away is..

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kingkilburn

This is a Federal law.

If you are born on American soil or to American parents you are American.

There is no interpretation to be made. No debate to be had.

If the problem is illegal immigration then heavily guard the ports and borders. Neither of those are Arizona's right or prerogative to do.

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cc4usmc

"Under Section 5 of the 14th Amendment, Congress has the power to prevent the children of illegals from automatically becoming citizens."

14th Amendment | LII / Legal Information Institute


So this isn't one of those thing that can't be changed. I'm quoting the Heritage Guide to the Constitution, btw.

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kingkilburn

Under section one:

No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States


Congress does have the ability. Arizona has no authority, not even an opinion on the matter.

Until the Constitution is amended or Federal law is changed Arizona is again breaking the law.

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You're a Fascist!

No you're a Fascist!

Maybe we're all just a little Fascist

FascistFascistFascistFascistFascistFascistFascistF ascistFascistFascistFascist

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cc4usmc

It's all your fault.

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upsdude

i love how california is drowning in debt and swirling the bowl, meanwhile its politicians are making resolutions to boycott another state...bunch of pandering whores.

ericcastro

Dude, you are So wrong about that, lol.
fucking Christ you're off.

California doesn't do anything smart.
A large part of the dept comes from letting other states take our film industry away for the last several years.
Entertainment is a 3rd of CA economy.

Dont expect CA to ever do anyting smart as far as government issues, lol








Yeah, shits crazy.
The dude leading this thing is actually tied into the KKK in his past.
Im not sure, but i would assume this is also involved with a big TEA PARTY following?
You hear about he mural on the school building the other day?
There were white children, latino and black children painted on the side of an elementary.
People kept driving by and yelling n****r and sp*c out their windows.
So the fucking school decides to paint all the people white!!!!

Are you fucking kidding me!!!!!!

As a mexican American of SEVERAL generations.
I would be so hurt and pissed if i got pulled over because of my race.

Kinda like,...."well, there was a robbery in the area so we are pulling over all black people and running their ID's"

Complete BS.
Unconstitutional.

And i dont know any white person in La that would take the 1 1/2 hour bus to Malibu, walk a few miles to work and be there at 6am to work 8 hours in the hot sun, then go home the same route for $10 an hour.
You cant get an mountain dew drinking obese white american to work a full time job as is, and you want them to go the extra mile?............

c'mon son.
just cause the economy is bad, doesn't mean we need a witch hunt AZ

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ranger240

HAHAHA you're damn right i am
(edit: thats the case for germany, im sure there are ''other countries'' out there that dont have such laws, so until someone proves me wrong, that there are no countries with such laws, then i'm not 'expletive, christ off')

i was going to pull a rush limbaugh style move, you know, say something as fact then look up an example to support it after the fact. based on 130 whatever countries in the world i'm sure one or two have stupid laws like that. but do you know what? i got lazy.

this is a car forum and one thing is for certain, you can put all your effort into crafting perfect little zilvia essays on why your opinion is right (im guilty of having done such in the past), but that doesnt change the fact that doing so accomplishes little to nothing. its like we're all playing intelectual poker with full tilt-style play money. sure some people win but in the end we're all just wasting time. we SHOULD be calling our congressional representatives or whatnot, moving something in the direction we see fit however minute that move is. alas, we'd all rather accomplish nothing except beat down some anonymous online ideological objector like a bunch of asses.

damn i just wrote another worthless political quazi-essay on zilvia

have fun accomplishing nothing guys

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kingkilburn

OOOOO Ninja edit lol


Many countries have the same type of laws regarding natural born citizenship.
Jus soli - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




A lot of people in this thread should read this before discussing the article IMHO. It just helps to know the laws and precedents before jumping to conclusions.
Birthright citizenship in the United States of America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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kingkilburn

ranger240

I love how even after being called out you are still pompous.

I would hope that you fact checked any and all of your public statements.

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lou's40sx

My solution is to let all the illegals be legal, and make them pay heavier taxes to obtain their citizenship. Gather up all the illegals, let them build us new freeways and tracks, tax the heck out of them. Boost the economy, raise the living standards, we all win.

andisan

I agree with you sir, imagine how much money will be produced from 12 million illegals we have now if we charge them $10,000-$20,000 for the fine and to process their papers. and then a yearly tax fee for obtainning a green card or a renewal fee for the green card every year. . . . . just an idea

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