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Buc-town · 03-31-2011, 02:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LoneStarSilvia

... Do you see them getting sued by Ferrari, Lamborghini, Bentley? They've bashed some of their cars and you don't hear about them going after the BBC.

TG offends and entertains people, that's what they do. Would you rather watch Car & Driver TV all day instead?

+1, I agree

rodneyfromtrini · 03-31-2011, 02:12 AM

well clarkson had his foot down all the time while driving the car so u would think that would make the battery run down faster....top gear is a great show and if u watch it cuz u really want a review about a car then ur an ass...

raz0rbladez909 · 03-31-2011, 07:41 AM

I for one actually enjoy Top Gear, not for serious car reviews, but for entertainment. If you say that Top Gear sucks for not providing serious reviews, thats like being mad at Jersey Shore for not teaching life lessons and family values. If you didn't have Top Gear, what other car show would you watch? That shitty bull run show? lol

WanganRunner · 03-31-2011, 08:56 AM

No one should be taking anything that cast says/does seriously.

They aren't in the business of reviewing, period. They're automotive entertainment, not automotive journalism.

This is the equivalent of someone suing Jon Stewart for making fun of them.

daryl337 · 03-31-2011, 10:19 AM

I love that show.

you can all suck dicks. Big ones.

tricky_ab · 03-31-2011, 10:34 AM

So if you don't agree with your statement we can "suck a dick" huh? Are you sure you're really 25?

Anyways, if Top Gear out-right lied about certain aspects, I think that's a fair enough reason to sue for damages. We already know the show is scripted to hell and a shot of them pushing an electric car off the track was probably too hilarious to turn down.

(Used to love Top Gear, hate the shitty, scripted comedy-lite it is now and has been for a while)

lucky7 · 03-31-2011, 11:18 AM

scripted or not, Tesla is a fucking joke of a company. do you think they make any money selling cars? fuck no. they sell their carbon emission credits or whatever to companies that build/sell gas hogs.

BustedS13 · 03-31-2011, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tricky_ab

(Used to love Top Gear, hate the shitty, scripted comedy-lite it is now and has been for a while)

this, a thousand times this

Pure_JDM · 03-31-2011, 12:07 PM

Tesla should get the fuck over it. Period. Thanks for the wasted site space though. Maybe we should start a whiny bitch thread... or a complaint of the day... or a useless information/facts thread...

1337 · 03-31-2011, 12:34 PM

didn't bently refuse to give them a car to test against the mercedes and rolls royce? that's what tesla should have done if they didn't want any bad press.

Daniel. · 03-31-2011, 12:38 PM

This has been said before, but I just want to reiterate that this is most likely just a PR stunt.

Matej · 03-31-2011, 08:31 PM

Mr. BustedS13, when did you become a car person?

Gnnr · 03-31-2011, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matej

Mr. BustedS13, when did you become a car person?

He just has a boner for Domestics.

BustedS13 · 03-31-2011, 10:30 PM

Mr. Matej: my dad took me to gokart tracks way too often when i was a kid

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gnnr

He just has a boner for Domestics.

i like em all bromeo

axiomatik · 04-04-2011, 02:28 PM

You guys don't seem to know what libel is.

Quote:

Defamation (libel) is the communication of a statement that makes a claim, expressly stated or implied to be factual, that may give an individual, business, product, group, government, or nation a negative image. It is usually a requirement that this claim be false and that the publication is communicated to someone other than the person defamed

If Top Gear had simply stated that they don't like the car, and said why, there would be no case. Libel does not apply to opinion. But they factually mis-represented the Tesla by staging the event, preying on the general public's greatest misgivings about electric cars. This would be the same as reviewing a pickup truck and loading 700 lbs of bricks in it, and then showing a shot of a broken axle, even though the load didn't really do any damage at all. Then, later, trying to cover it up by saying "well, this is what could have happened". It was presented on the show as the actual outcome, that this $100k car can't even drive 60 miles on a charge, and thus, isn't at all practical for real driving. (Of course, they omitted the the fact that flogging any car around a track will greatly reduce its range, hell, a Veyron can only run for 15 minutes at top speed, which, coincidentally, is only 63 miles)

Gnnr · 04-04-2011, 02:32 PM

BBC Pockets > Telsa Pockets
BBC Lawyers > Telsa Lawyers

ronmcdon · 04-04-2011, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by axiomatik

You guys don't seem to know what libel is.

If Top Gear had simply stated that they don't like the car, and said why, there would be no case. Libel does not apply to opinion. But they factually mis-represented the Tesla by staging the event, preying on the general public's greatest misgivings about electric cars. This would be the same as reviewing a pickup truck and loading 700 lbs of bricks in it, and then showing a shot of a broken axle, even though the load didn't really do any damage at all. Then, later, trying to cover it up by saying "well, this is what could have happened". It was presented on the show as the actual outcome, that this $100k can't even drive 60 miles on a charge, and thus, isn't at all practical for real driving. (Of course, they omitted the the fact that flogging any car around a track will greatly reduce its range, hell, a Veyron can only run for 15 minutes at top speed, which, coincidentally, is only 63 miles)

That's probably the best explanation yet, thanks.

Top Gear should definitely be held accountable on this instance.
Seems like too many posts here are about praising or bashing Top Gear, which is irrelevant.

codyace · 04-04-2011, 03:06 PM

By the time this hits the courts, Tesla will be out of business. Who cares.

TO me, Top Gear is entertaining. Is it factual? No. Realistic? No. But what else is even close to it (car wise) that is entertaining? I get a kick out of the beater challenges, scripted or not. Trust me, I'd love to film our beater car challenges, and our woods racing and nitrous rental cars...but the bottom line is, the generic car audience wouldn't find it funny...only abotu 5% of us...

daryl337 · 04-04-2011, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tricky_ab

Are you sure you're really 25?

... and this comment reflects why you probably do not like top gear.

Your sense of humor is on par with a rock.

thrax · 04-04-2011, 05:18 PM

Compared to some of the other lies and things the BBC has done this is pretty tame.

slowvia · 04-04-2011, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by axiomatik

You guys don't seem to know what libel is.

If Top Gear had simply stated that they don't like the car, and said why, there would be no case. Libel does not apply to opinion. But they factually mis-represented the Tesla by staging the event, preying on the general public's greatest misgivings about electric cars. This would be the same as reviewing a pickup truck and loading 700 lbs of bricks in it, and then showing a shot of a broken axle, even though the load didn't really do any damage at all. Then, later, trying to cover it up by saying "well, this is what could have happened".

Kind of like the ASPCA commercials that show perfectly healthy animals and just play sad music? Guess we should sue them too.
Look, we all know that Top Gear is a terrible place to get information about a car. Weve all seen them test a car we really like, and then trash talk it because of some minor detail that Clarkson doesnt like.
Bottom line? Top Gear is entertainment TV, not journalism. AND, electric super cars COULD be the shit, just give it time and dont be such closed minded Americans.
/Rant

RNGWLD · 04-04-2011, 09:46 PM

I love top gear. Own all the seasons, watch em regularly. Have repeated several episodes many times.

That doesnt mean Im a retard who needs to swing on Clarkson's balls. Change their british accent to a deep-south redneck one and you'll see how much of what they say when politics/personal opinion is involved is just retarded bullshit. "Global warming is faaakeee boohoo our country is the greateesstt" etc etc.

Im all for Tesla. Why would I be against a company that wants to make cool electric cars?

theicecreamdan · 04-04-2011, 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by axiomatik

You guys don't seem to know what libel is.

If Top Gear had simply stated that they don't like the car, and said why, there would be no case. Libel does not apply to opinion. But they factually mis-represented the Tesla by staging the event, preying on the general public's greatest misgivings about electric cars. This would be the same as reviewing a pickup truck and loading 700 lbs of bricks in it, and then showing a shot of a broken axle, even though the load didn't really do any damage at all. Then, later, trying to cover it up by saying "well, this is what could have happened". It was presented on the show as the actual outcome, that this $100k car can't even drive 60 miles on a charge, and thus, isn't at all practical for real driving. (Of course, they omitted the the fact that flogging any car around a track will greatly reduce its range, hell, a Veyron can only run for 15 minutes at top speed, which, coincidentally, is only 63 miles)

Second, that person must prove that the statement caused harm. Defamation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tesla is going to have to show that the episode caused harm.

1337 · 04-04-2011, 09:55 PM

does that rule even exist/pertain to them since they are in the uk?

Gnnr · 04-04-2011, 10:12 PM

This whole thing is gonna make for some great episodes. Remember when they held a grudge against the Morris Marina Owners Club, lol

ericcastro · 04-04-2011, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by LoneStarSilvia

Really man, Tesla? Who gives a rats ass about Tesla. How can you 'slander' anelectric sports car, the term electric sports car slanders itself.

I think maybe you should look at some of the electric sports cars out there.
things kick ass in drag.
And dont the new F1 cars run part electric charge engines with electric boost or some shit??
They actually got some pretty cool stuff going

Quote:

Originally Posted by statickx991

that is so stupid since they are suing him for talking about his experience with the cars. they need to face it. they look nice but they are a polished pos. dont get me wrong id love to have one and do like a sr swap in it

The show straight up lied.
They staged a bunch of BS about Tesla, and should be sued accordingly.
I am sure electric Tesla cars have computers in them, and GPS and all kinds of other shit that would let them know at Tesla that the car never ran under 25%.

And for me, i just got bored of top gear a couple years ago.
Dont really know why, havent really thought about it, just got boring.

Gnnr · 04-04-2011, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericcastro

And dont the new F1 cars run part electric charge engines with electric boost or some shit??

Sort of but not really. Its a Kinetic Energy Recovery System (KERS) and it just takes wasted brake energy and stores it in a battery where it can be used for an additional 80bhp boost to the rear wheels later. You are not required to run it, and not all cars are running it, you can design a faster car without it as designing a car around the system can be a handicap, and its not very green either. Its just the FIA doing it for PR.

More info than you care for I'm sure......

ericcastro · 04-04-2011, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gnnr

Sort of but not really. Its a Kinetic Energy Recovery System (KERS) and it just takes wasted brake energy and stores it in a battery where it can be used for an additional 80bhp boost to the rear wheels later. You are not required to run it, and not all cars are running it, you can design a faster car without it as designing a car around the system can be a handicap, and its not very green either. Its just the FIA doing it for PR.

More info than you care for I'm sure......

I could use a 80 hp kintetic energy boost, lol

I will just trail brake all the way to the start line, free 80 hp, lol

Walperstyle · 04-05-2011, 01:39 AM

April Fools anyone? holy crap you all seriously fell for it.

BustedS13 · 04-05-2011, 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walperstyle

April Fools anyone? holy crap you all seriously fell for it.

does canada operate on a different calendar or something?

03-31-2011, 08:56 AM	#34
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03-31-2011, 10:19 AM	#35
daryl337 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pac NW Age: 35 Posts: 589 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I love that show. you can all suck dicks. Big ones. __________________ This is my clever and witty signature.

03-31-2011, 11:18 AM	#37
lucky7 Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Oakland (OT) Michigan Age: 36 Posts: 3,353 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: lucky7 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	scripted or not, Tesla is a fucking joke of a company. do you think they make any money selling cars? fuck no. they sell their carbon emission credits or whatever to companies that build/sell gas hogs. __________________ -Dane

03-31-2011, 12:38 PM	#41
Daniel. Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: San Jose, CA Age: 36 Posts: 3,713 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Daniel. Feedback Score: 0 reviews	This has been said before, but I just want to reiterate that this is most likely just a PR stunt. __________________

04-04-2011, 02:32 PM	#46
Gnnr Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: S. FL Posts: 3,960 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	BBC Pockets > Telsa Pockets BBC Lawyers > Telsa Lawyers __________________

03-31-2011, 02:12 AM	#32
rodneyfromtrini Leaky Injector Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NJ Age: 32 Posts: 145 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	well clarkson had his foot down all the time while driving the car so u would think that would make the battery run down faster....top gear is a great show and if u watch it cuz u really want a review about a car then ur an ass...

03-31-2011, 10:34 AM	#36
tricky_ab Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: It's dark, and hell is hot! Posts: 9,413 Trader Rating: (23) Feedback Score: 23 reviews	So if you don't agree with your statement we can "suck a dick" huh? Are you sure you're really 25? Anyways, if Top Gear out-right lied about certain aspects, I think that's a fair enough reason to sue for damages. We already know the show is scripted to hell and a shot of them pushing an electric car off the track was probably too hilarious to turn down. (Used to love Top Gear, hate the shitty, scripted comedy-lite it is now and has been for a while)

03-31-2011, 12:07 PM	#39
Pure_JDM Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Denham Springs, LA Posts: 814 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Tesla should get the fuck over it. Period. Thanks for the wasted site space though. Maybe we should start a whiny bitch thread... or a complaint of the day... or a useless information/facts thread...

03-31-2011, 12:34 PM	#40
1337 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2008 Location: sjca. Age: 33 Posts: 341 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	didn't bently refuse to give them a car to test against the mercedes and rolls royce? that's what tesla should have done if they didn't want any bad press.

03-31-2011, 08:31 PM	#42
Matej Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 9,423 Trader Rating: (39) Feedback Score: 39 reviews	Mr. BustedS13, when did you become a car person?

04-04-2011, 03:06 PM	#48
codyace Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poconos, PA Age: 36 Posts: 8,030 Trader Rating: (58) Feedback Score: 58 reviews	By the time this hits the courts, Tesla will be out of business. Who cares. TO me, Top Gear is entertaining. Is it factual? No. Realistic? No. But what else is even close to it (car wise) that is entertaining? I get a kick out of the beater challenges, scripted or not. Trust me, I'd love to film our beater car challenges, and our woods racing and nitrous rental cars...but the bottom line is, the generic car audience wouldn't find it funny...only abotu 5% of us... __________________ *Want Air Conditioning in your SR20 Swapped car? Check out www.sr20acbrackets.com for more information! Quest Alternator Conversions for SR20!* Check my Group Buy! Tired of lousy internal gates? Go external wastegate with one of my manifolds, Check out my group buy

04-04-2011, 05:18 PM	#50
thrax Leaky Injector Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 139 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Compared to some of the other lies and things the BBC has done this is pretty tame.

04-04-2011, 09:46 PM	#52
RNGWLD Leaky Injector Join Date: May 2009 Location: Tortuga, Libertalia Posts: 131 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I love top gear. Own all the seasons, watch em regularly. Have repeated several episodes many times. That doesnt mean Im a retard who needs to swing on Clarkson's balls. Change their british accent to a deep-south redneck one and you'll see how much of what they say when politics/personal opinion is involved is just retarded bullshit. "Global warming is faaakeee boohoo our country is the greateesstt" etc etc. Im all for Tesla. Why would I be against a company that wants to make cool electric cars?

04-04-2011, 09:55 PM	#54
1337 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2008 Location: sjca. Age: 33 Posts: 341 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	does that rule even exist/pertain to them since they are in the uk?

04-04-2011, 10:12 PM	#55
Gnnr Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: S. FL Posts: 3,960 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	This whole thing is gonna make for some great episodes. Remember when they held a grudge against the Morris Marina Owners Club, lol __________________

04-05-2011, 01:39 AM	#59
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