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ZilviaBot · 08-13-2007, 10:10 AM

Japan's top two auto makers have a long and sordid history of ripping off each other's successful designs. No sooner had the Nissan Cube become a run away success in its home market than Toyota came up with the similarly boxy bB (Scion xB). Many years earlier, after the Toyota HiLux Surf (4Runner) proved a hit with, well, surfers, Nissan restyled their Terrano with nigh on identical lines, hoping to ride on the coattails of the Toyota. And let's not get in to the Supra vs. Z and Celica vs. Skyline wars.

Now, just weeks after confirming that Toyota does indeed have a successor to the lauded AE86 in the pipeline, Best Car magazine claims to have evidence that Nissan has got a team working on building a new Silvia. Like the final 2002 S15 Spec R Silvia the new car is reckoned to be powered by a turbocharged two-liter good for 247 HP, but will just be 10 kgs heavier at one and a quarter metric tons (2450lbs).

The new range should sell for between 2.5 and 2.8 million Yen ($21,000 - $23,700), but not until 2010. Best Car's scoop ties in nicely with photographs of a shortened Z, most likely a mule testing a new, smaller FR drive train, taken at the ring earlier in the summer. If the new Silvia is indeed to be based on a modified Z/Skyline LM platform, expect a similar wheelbase of 8' 6", but smaller overall dimensions, around 14' 4" long by 5' 8" wide.
Chances of Nissan bringing a concept car, possibly derived from the URGE shown in Detroit last year, to October's Tokyo Motor Show? 60-percet according to the magazine.
[Source: Best Car]

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SiI40sx · 08-13-2007, 10:22 AM

First one to post in the new section!! WOOT!!

k's_silvia2.0 · 08-13-2007, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SiI40sx

First one to post in the new section!! WOOT!!

What thats cool.
Firts to post ftw.

*exitspeed* · 08-13-2007, 10:25 AM

This section is taking away from my established RWD thread. REPOST!

http://www.zilvia.net/f//showthread.php?t=127041&page=9

Lock.

**West** · 08-13-2007, 10:40 AM

Curse you! You beat me to the news! Granted I had to setup the feed and and all that stuff.

Baka Sama · 08-14-2007, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by WeST

Curse you! You beat me to the news! Granted I had to setup the feed and and all that stuff.

Actually I was the first to say something about the new silvia on here with pics... So hurray for me!

Post 700!

*exitspeed* · 08-13-2007, 10:53 AM

That's cause I'm top of this stuff like a prostitute on a Sat night.

**West** · 08-13-2007, 11:06 AM

I will agree, you posted that news within 3 minutes of it being released!

*exitspeed* · 08-13-2007, 11:16 AM

I try to keep threads going like that. I know if I don't like seeing multiple threads of the same thing posted I'm sure you don't.

turtle m3th · 08-13-2007, 01:39 PM

The roof line looks like a 1st gen eclipse, the ass looks like a civic, and the heads look kind of like that from a celica. The worst of all worlds??? WTF is going on?! Thank god these are only concept photos, haha...

drift freaq · 08-13-2007, 01:49 PM

I saw that pic in a Japanese mag two years ago, this is old news.

woohoo 6500 posts. LOL

**West** · 08-13-2007, 02:35 PM

The picture is old, yes. However the news might be legit. Only time will tell.

*exitspeed* · 08-13-2007, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by WeST

The picture is old, yes. However the news might be legit. Only time will tell.

The news is new. People can deny that these cars are coming, but it's true. There are a half dozen cars that have been confirmed that the manufactures are working on in the RWD coupe segment.

MrChow · 08-13-2007, 02:39 PM

that new hach is going to how much?? Nuts. Can't wait for the FR cars.

Like the new section. I love keeping out with the FRnews.

bardabe · 08-13-2007, 03:15 PM

yes im digging the new hatch too. ha ha =) makes me wanna sell my coupe and make myself a little Type X. ohhhhhhhhh yeah *drool*

**West** · 08-13-2007, 04:04 PM

Im just stoked as all hell to see some buzz around affordable RWD cars these days. It will give me a nice option between the Fuji/Toyota or this new Nissan, dont think Id buy the Hyundai tho will be interesting.

bamaboy · 08-13-2007, 06:34 PM

i'll be in line to buy one of these. it should complement the Z nicely if I even have it by then.

*fliprayzin240sx* · 08-13-2007, 06:56 PM

they build a 247 HP, rwd car that weights less than 2500lbs for less than $25k, they got me sold!!!

kouki_s14 · 08-13-2007, 07:11 PM

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but will just be 10 kgs heavier at one and a quarter metric tons (2450lbs)

they screwed up the conversion 1.25 metric tons = 1250kg = 2756lbs which is still pretty light but its not under 2500lbs

whoever did that seemed to have mixed up US tons(2000lbs) and metric tons(1000kg)

cmcdougle · 08-13-2007, 10:19 PM

2400 lbs would be wayy light. If they make a coup version, I'm buying one. No question.

Farzam · 08-14-2007, 04:45 AM

I want something less super futuristic.

They should just remake an S15

bigOdom1 · 08-14-2007, 04:49 AM

i posted it first in the premie chat but got no responses

irax · 08-14-2007, 04:33 PM

that car looks nasty

drift freaq · 08-14-2007, 05:25 PM

^^^^^ I tend to agree, something that looks along the lines of the Altima coupe would be better. Given these choices I would take a 350z any day of the week instead.

SiI40sx · 08-14-2007, 05:52 PM

For being a prototype I love it. It has massive potential. The bodystyle looks good to me so far. They just need to fix the rear and rooflines a little.

h23 · 08-14-2007, 06:57 PM

It IS just a concept car so if it goes into production it will be toned down quite a bit. And if it is going to keep the silvia name, it would probably be more based off the s15, than that ugly thing up top.

drift freaq · 08-14-2007, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by h23

It IS just a concept car so if it goes into production it will be toned down quite a bit. And if it is going to keep the silvia name, it would probably be more based off the s15, than that ugly thing up top.

You would hope. Though you fail to realize that the S chassis series is dead. The new Silvia will be based off a current modern chassis series that Nissan builds now. The S chassis series is old tech. Yup face it our cars chassis's are no longer modern in the car world. In fact though its heavier the current Z chassis is a pretty damn amazing chassis. It handles like a chassis 600-700lbs lighter than it is. This is in part due to the amazing stiffness of it.
This is why a new Silvia would most likely be based off a shortened version of the same chassis series.

**mrmephistopheles** · 08-16-2007, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by irax

I think this new ugly Zilvia should be called Ladyboy....

You'd want one for yourself then, huh?

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Originally Posted by drift freaq

You would hope. Though you fail to realize that the S chassis series is dead. The new Silvia will be based off a current modern chassis series that Nissan builds now.

Yes and no.
Calling the S-chassis 'dead' isn't necessarily accurate - they can always revive the chassis name.
Sure, the S13 and S14/15 chassis designs are obsolete, but that doesn't mean the S-chassis hasn't continually done that since the original Silvia, onward to the S110, S12, and on...

I welcome a newly-designed S-chassis, even if it's a reworked Z chassis. It's still the FM platform, which falls in line with Nissan's business plan that's been going for years now.

I've claimed for years that I plan to NEVER buy a new car, simply because it's a poor economical decision... but a car like they're describing may get me to change that plan.

drift freaq · 08-16-2007, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mrmephistopheles

You'd want one for yourself then, huh?

Yes and no.
Calling the S-chassis 'dead' isn't necessarily accurate - they can always revive the chassis name.
Sure, the S13 and S14/15 chassis designs are obsolete, but that doesn't mean the S-chassis hasn't continually done that since the original Silvia, onward to the S110, S12, and on...

I welcome a newly-designed S-chassis, even if it's a reworked Z chassis. It's still the FM platform, which falls in line with Nissan's business plan that's been going for years now.

I've claimed for years that I plan to NEVER buy a new car, simply because it's a poor economical decision... but a car like they're describing may get me to change that plan.

Well while it will be named Silvia I do not think it will have a S designation. In the past when Nissan has changed the essential chassis it has lost the chassis series designation while retaining the namesake of the car. To give you a classic example of what I am talking about look no further than the Z aka Fairlady. The Z32 and Z33 are in no way related to the S30 chassis series that did run up into the 80's but was killed at the end of that decade. I.E.the s series chassis variation that was the Z was ended though the S series chassis that was the Silvia went on). Yes the Silvia chassis designation ran for an extremely long time but that was due in part to the fact that the chassis series itself was ahead of times when it was first concepted in the early sixties. The Fairlady was also in fact derived off that chassis series as well.
Though Nissan has completely come up with new chassis designations for all their cars do not doubt it will be the same with the New Silvia.
That said I welcome the reintroduction of a Silvia as I feel its a market segment Nissan should not ignore. You may have misconstrued my setiments about this. Its not that I do not welcome this its that given above stated facts Nissan would not make a S16. Its also that I feel the current projected look does nothing for me taste wise,again which is why I stated that the Z has a much stronger pull on me.

axiomatik · 08-21-2007, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by drift freaq

Well while it will be named Silvia I do not think it will have a S designation. In the past when Nissan has changed the essential chassis it has lost the chassis series designation while retaining the namesake of the car. To give you a classic example of what I am talking about look no further than the Z aka Fairlady. The Z32 and Z33 are in no way related to the S30 chassis series that did run up into the 80's but was killed at the end of that decade. .......

Using your same logic, the Z33 should have had a different designation because it shares nothing with the z32. I'm willing to bet if Nissan released a new silvia/240, it will have a s-chassis designation.

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ZilviaBot Zilvia.net Bot Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 199 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Another Cheap FR Sports Car? Nissan joins the fray Filed under: Sports/GTs, Japan, Nissan Japan's top two auto makers have a long and sordid history of ripping off each other's successful designs. No sooner had the Nissan Cube become a run away success in its home market than Toyota came up with the similarly boxy bB (Scion xB). Many years earlier, after the Toyota HiLux Surf (4Runner) proved a hit with, well, surfers, Nissan restyled their Terrano with nigh on identical lines, hoping to ride on the coattails of the Toyota. And let's not get in to the Supra vs. Z and Celica vs. Skyline wars. Now, just weeks after confirming that Toyota does indeed have a successor to the lauded AE86 in the pipeline, Best Car magazine claims to have evidence that Nissan has got a team working on building a new Silvia. Like the final 2002 S15 Spec R Silvia the new car is reckoned to be powered by a turbocharged two-liter good for 247 HP, but will just be 10 kgs heavier at one and a quarter metric tons (2450lbs). The new range should sell for between 2.5 and 2.8 million Yen ($21,000 - $23,700), but not until 2010. Best Car's scoop ties in nicely with photographs of a shortened Z, most likely a mule testing a new, smaller FR drive train, taken at the ring earlier in the summer. If the new Silvia is indeed to be based on a modified Z/Skyline LM platform, expect a similar wheelbase of 8' 6", but smaller overall dimensions, around 14' 4" long by 5' 8" wide. Chances of Nissan bringing a concept car, possibly derived from the URGE shown in Detroit last year, to October's Tokyo Motor Show? 60-percet according to the magazine. [Source: Best Car] Â* ReadÂ\|ÂPermalink \| Email this \| Comments More...

08-13-2007, 10:25 AM	#4
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08-13-2007, 01:39 PM	#10
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08-13-2007, 01:49 PM	#11
drift freaq R.I.P. Aya, always love Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Los Feliz/Hollywood Posts: 18,558 Trader Rating: (215) Rides Gallery: drift freaq Feedback Score: 215 reviews	I saw that pic in a Japanese mag two years ago, this is old news. woohoo 6500 posts. LOL __________________ "Having a lot of tracks on a song is like putting stickers on a car to get more horsepower" New Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uebV1OnbRsw Buy my mounts! http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/51531...ns-mounts.html http://zilvia.net/f/tech-talk/317539...e-mouts-6.html

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West OMNOMNOMNOM Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Denver, CO Age: 40 Posts: 6,456 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: West Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The picture is old, yes. However the news might be legit. Only time will tell. __________________ West - Zilvia.net - Toyobaru.net - NapkinSketch.com

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West OMNOMNOMNOM Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Denver, CO Age: 40 Posts: 6,456 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: West Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Im just stoked as all hell to see some buzz around affordable RWD cars these days. It will give me a nice option between the Fuji/Toyota or this new Nissan, dont think Id buy the Hyundai tho will be interesting. __________________ West - Zilvia.net - Toyobaru.net - NapkinSketch.com

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drift freaq R.I.P. Aya, always love Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Los Feliz/Hollywood Posts: 18,558 Trader Rating: (215) Rides Gallery: drift freaq Feedback Score: 215 reviews	^^^^^ I tend to agree, something that looks along the lines of the Altima coupe would be better. Given these choices I would take a 350z any day of the week instead. __________________ "Having a lot of tracks on a song is like putting stickers on a car to get more horsepower" New Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uebV1OnbRsw Buy my mounts! http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/51531...ns-mounts.html http://zilvia.net/f/tech-talk/317539...e-mouts-6.html

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SiI40sx BANNED Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bass bumpin, mind trippin Age: 35 Posts: 3,394 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: SiI40sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	For being a prototype I love it. It has massive potential. The bodystyle looks good to me so far. They just need to fix the rear and rooflines a little.

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h23 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Minnesota Age: 32 Posts: 206 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	It IS just a concept car so if it goes into production it will be toned down quite a bit. And if it is going to keep the silvia name, it would probably be more based off the s15, than that ugly thing up top.

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