gotrice240sx

any good? i would like to use it for drifting

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Yoshi

No.
Thankyoudrivethru ^_^

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andrave

yosi: so you have went back to back with a phantom grip versus other units in your car?
was that with the stiff spring kit or not?

sgm

so that means not good?
or good enogh to drift in

s13silady

if you want a cheap LSD then go phantom grip... but basically, if you take apart your differential and weld the gears together, you have a phantom grip right there too!

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Raine

Kaaz or Cusco are proven already... especially the new 16 plate Kaaz unit

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andrave

they are also a lot more expensive.
Why is welding the spider gears similar to a phantom grip?
They don't work the same at all from a mechanical standpoint. I don't think you understand that a phantom grip is not a "spool" type unit.
Again, if you haven't used it then why is everyone saying stupid shit about it? everytime a thread on the phantom grip pops up it is flooded with misinformation and opinions from people who know nothing about it.
If you haven't used it you don't know what the hell you are talking about.

zero.counter

I helaciously agree! How come I never hear info on the phantom grip LSD from an actual user. Everyone always touts "Kaaz, Tomei, Cusco" or some other $799+ LSD because that is what they have used and feel that it is the best. Or if they used the other big name LSDs, they states that anything less is crap.

Raine

Well I've tried both Kaaz and Cusco, so I think I fit "actual user"... but I never said Phantom was crap. At least direct your comment to whoever you're referring to.

I don't know if Phantom LSDs are good or not. I wouldn't know first hand. I haven't known or tried any car with a Phantom, and apparently there isn't that many in a 240sx either or we would have heard about it from an actual user... if they're even part of the forums. But I have read a few bits here and there about some unsatisfied Phantom users, and thus I only suggest what I know personally is "proven".

Do you have a Phantom LSD? If you do, then how is it? If you don't, then how much more info about the phantom unit (from a users point of view) do you have over us who haven't used one either? If you don't have a Phantom, then it's a little ignorant to defend it.

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docrice

Wow, 8 replies with no answer...and not a single person that replied has even used one...off to a good start

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RBS14

maybe the reason nobody has replied who has one is because nobody buys them cause they're pieces of shit! think about it genius. Does it sound too good to be true? Then IT IS!

was there ever such a thing as common sense?

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KiDyNomiTe

A friend of mine had one, its better than Open diff.

All it is, is 2 tiny plates with 4 springs in b/w. Basically works like the whole welding thing, but I would imagine better for the diff in the end. People say they ruin your car, but nobody has actually experienced that, at least with 240s.

My friend who had it said it was alright, he never did any sanctionized drifting with it, only messing around in warehouses and such, and well it works. He now has a Cusco LSD and says its much better.

So in other words, save for a Cusco, Kaaz, Nismo, or whatever else you want. But if you find one in a junkyard (but I guess you'd have to open every diff to find it) or cheap on eBay it'll be better than open diff.

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zero.counter

H22A swapped into a 91 Accord with a Phantom Grip installed by a newbie with no experience. It did improve the time and gave overall better grip.
I am going to pick apart your little comeback especially since my original post was not even geared towards you.

First of all, I am not some little piss ant teenager trying to be like the japanese and "Dorifto" like many here, and I don't mod to make people recognize me. I won't prove my experience to some person sitting behind their home computer that I don't even know or care to know. But, this issue will be discussed due to your ignorance in assuming that I have no experience considering that I don't even know who the hell you are.

(1)Do you have a Phantom LSD? If you do, then how is it? (2)If you don't, then how much more info about the phantom unit (from a users point of view) do you have over us who haven't used one either? (3)If you don't have a Phantom, then it's a little ignorant to defend it.
1. Yes I had. It is actually a great idea and works well, otherwise they would have been shutdown long ago for fraudulent claims, false advertisement, or bait and switch tactics.
2. Skipped since 1 was answered.
3. I did, you obviously did not know, and I was not the one to be ignorant but unfortunately...you were quick to draw a baseless conclusion. Weapons of mass destruction in Iraq??? Where.

Know I am sure of your age, you don't do you age group any justice. Go drift into a curb or something

RBS14, this is not a $60 turbo "As seen on T.V.". I guess all of the guys who believe that a name is everything are pretty shallow. There is something about many californians that is shared...

If I said that the RB series of engines were all shit and never even attempted a swap or driven an RB powered vehicle, wouldn't I look kind of silly?

Here is a good little saying, "Don't knock it unless you've tried it"!

If you want a little history on my views and how I have defended them in the past, take a look at some of my previous run-ins with hardcore body kit people around here.

You get what you pay for does not apply much, or our government would have a positive efficiency.

GoodBye

You can PM me for further comments or continue making yourselves look like ****.

Raine

You pick apart my post and specifically, so here you go.

1. Now you said that you've had experience with a Phantom before. Then great - speak up and help the guy out who's asking about it. You couldn've just explained your experience in your first post instead of wasting time bitching about "piss ant teenagers", as if that wasn't an ignorant assumption of your own?

And then now you're sure of my age. Another assumption.

Next you make a broad stereotypical reference to Californians, implying that in general we're shallow and that we believe that name is everything? Rewind and read my post. I didn't recommend either Kaaz or Cusco because "the name is cool dude!" (say that in a Californian accent, if you believe there's such a thing also). The guy needs an opinion and I told him mine based on my experience.

As for your "don't knock it til you try it" comment, sure I've heard of it. Sometimes you discover something goo dthat others haven't seen yet. Or sometimes you buy an LSD diff that ends up being not what you expected. The difference there is the amount of $$$ you spend on getting a new LSD and install, etc. You're right - this isn't a $60 turbo Ebay thing. Only us Californian's believe in that crap

Finally, I'd rather spend time researching more info on my car and helping others out here than checking up on your history.

So instead of listening to us ramble on, do some more research... try other forums too, there's loads of info and opinions on diffs. But one thing maybe mr.guy and I may agree on, is that so far you've only got one opinion from a "phantom" - experienced guy, and maybe more than one (me) from a Kaaz / Cusco. I say "maybe" because I'm not going to go back and count

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andrave

the only "complaint" I've heard is that they wear out the spider gears, which everyone makes a big deal out of.
you can get phantom grips for 300 bucks though, and you can get an unlimited supply of open diffs for like 5 bucks each, they don't exactly have a huge market out there.
That is assuming that after time it would ruin your spider gears.

So you could change out the spider gears every year and still have it be more economical.

Anyway I've talked to plenty of FWD users, and plenty of FWD drag racers are using them with lots of success... what I want is feed back from someone who used one in a 240...

Raine

At this point I'm waiting for that too

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zero.counter

I can know sleep better at night knowing that I, "ACTED JUST LIKE YOU".

Anyways dude, I said, "There is something about many californians that is shared...". I am always careful in making unbiased statements and in this alone I give you an example...MANY I SAID! Not all, or every or even entire...MANY!

If you don't interpret and aknowledge history, you are doomed to make the same mistake. Had you known anything about anyone, you would not have said anything.

BTW, you are not helping this post either, so shaddup.

Don't even try to flame me, you will get trashed...big time.

RBS14

Haha ur funny. Do you have one of those "big name" $900 diffs in your car? If so you know why i harp on these pieces of shit. If not, you defend shit like "phantom grip lsd's" like you are doing now. Hmmmm Californians..... seeing how as im from Alaska and just moved to cali 2 years ago what does your statement have to do with me?

I have read most of those posts of yours and that is why i take everything you say with a grain of salt because you are a tool. People like you are the reason why companies like GTP and VIS are still in business. Who cares if they blatently stole something and copied it, that's just how life goes right?

You seem to be proud of your ignorance..... i guess that's just part of being ignorant.

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Raine

Wow until this post, everything I've contributed to this thread has had some advice to the original thread poster. All you've been typing is flame, so maybe you should try being a little more helpful, or "shaddup".

...and your threat means as much as the fact that you have posted more than I have - nothing when it comes to knowing how a particular LSD (remember, what this thread was talking about?) feels like when you actually use one.

And what's with the "historical" reference? Your ignorance in knowing how a Cusco or Kaaz LSD feels or works does nothing to help this thread, and your arrogance in thinking that you can tell me that "I know nothing about anyone" applies right back at you. First you assume my age, then you assume I have the mentality of your tainted interpretation of a "Californian", and now you threaten me? LOL

...nice way to fill this post with

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sgm

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turboex

My boy ran one in his ford zx2 race car. at abou 250hp the thing flew apart blowing a hole in the side of his tranny during a launch on drag radials. For street i hear there ok, but i would not trust them after seeing my boys tranny.

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Dousan_PG

get it!
anything is better then open diff
weld the diff
phantom
spend for nismo or cusco or kaaz

get something.

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turboex

I am running a s14 VLSD, I have been hitting 1.7 60ft times with drag radials all year and it has yet to fail me. I dunno if its any good for drifting cause im not into that shit, but for the $180 I payed for it, it sure beats a open diff.

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SR20DET, custom top mount turbo manifold, Precision SC61 turbo, blitz bov, HKS intercooler, Tial 38mm wastegate, tenzo-r shu-4's, ton of other shit. with clean new paint!

docrice

how about we narrow down the topic a bit? since he doesnt want to spend $800 on a kazama/cusco/etc., lets talk about 2 options in the lower (~$300) price range: stock VLSD vs. Phantom Grip. Anyone have a good, valid comparison BASED ON FACTS/ACTUAL USAGE other than opinions? this option(factory VLSD) seems to have overlooked in comparison, and it fits the bill for price and quality pretty well. So, folks, how much difference is there between the Phantom Grip and the stock VLSD? I ask for his sake, plus i'm interested personally, being a college student with pretty limited funds and a distaste for 1 wheel burnouts....

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andrave

one of my friends has 300zx viscous and his car sucks...
it was a high mileage unit (like 100k or more) and I think his fluid is shot, he can do a one wheel peel for a few seconds before the other wheel finally starts to spin.
For drifting I'd have to say that wouldn't be so great since the whole point is to get both wheels spinning and sideways. And for launches, you aren't spinning the tires but for just a second, normally, so I can't think it would help much either.

As for the unit blowing apart, I'd have to question the strength of the ZX2 unit itself. I know for a fact that phantom grip units have been used in FWD drag hondas with rediculous power levels with no failures... thats like 700 hp and drag slicks.
And being an escort owner before I can vouch that the tranny used in the ZX2 is not a very robust unit. My scort zapped its tranny at around 75k and it was NA.

zero.counter

HaHa...whatever "dude"!

To give you (the thread starter) some info on how the phantom is used and what applications it has been used for, I have supplied you with a list of relevant links about the Phantom Grip LSD. There are some good and bad

Misc. Crap:
XtremeSaturn User
Phantom Grip's Press pages from various automotive mags.
SRT Forums
Automotive Forums
240SX Forums
NICO Forums

And then type in "PHANTOM GRIP" on this board after specifying your other search criteria.
Freshalloy

There are major mixed opinions on the cheapo LSD. But in a line, I have seen no problem. Your other option as stated before would be a VLSD upgrade and then when you have the money, go for the gold.

For the Raine chick, I have a specific type of 2-WAY LSD from a well known manufacturer which I believe is useless in this post to speak of. Since the question was about the Phantom, I gave intel from personal experience...albeit drag racing and not drifting. If there are any 240 users of this product, they have not made them selves obvious as I scoured across 13 different nissan forums where no one claims to have used one but think that it should be skipped in its entirety. I am a 240 owner who has used this product before, just not on the 240. Look, it is not the best, but for anyone out there, at least research the product and have some hard experience before knocking anything. Personally, since I have the money I purchased a clutch-type 2 way which is great. But If I was not able to drop the note for anything that high, I would have purchased either the VLSD from another car or the phantom grip lsd.

For anyone interested:
If the shoe fits, then wear it. If none of what I said was even true, then there should be no reason for anyone to even take offense to it unless there is some truth to it...and for those that like to argue, take a chill pill and remember that we are on the internet and it is useless.

zero.counter

I seemed to have missed your worthless little rant. I tell you what, you are not even worth my time as I have seen your posts and you tend to follow the crowd a bit. I take everything you say with a sack of BS.

Let me tell you something else, do me a favor and find someone else to TRY belittling. It is futile and again pointless to do so on me. And re-read the post I made of MANY not all or entire or even complete. Read man, READ! I did not elect Arnold, did you?

I do however, feel honored that you took the time to read my previous posts, thus bringing a tear to my eye. Looks like you have mucho amounts of time on your hands, so think about what I posted and stop being one-sided and narrow-minded. It does not help the situation any.


You never know, I may be in the Emergency Department where you will be taken after onE of youR street races, better be nice to me. Move Along...

For anyone replying to my posts, there are two choices I have:
A) Reply and look bad since I will no longer care to read since I have made my point.

B) PM me instead of trying to look like a hard-ass and worrying about your board reputation.

C) Be cool and ignore everything I said, carrying on about your business.

Your choice!!!!

To the thread starter, good luck in your decision and glad I could help!

RBS14

i bet you feel original restating everything i said in my above post but directing it towards me. Go buddy!

You didn't answer my question......... what diff do you have in your car right now?

I'd be interested to know.

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gotrice240sx

i dident think it would go this far but anyways i ordered the phantom girp lsd and its on its way so let me put it in an beat the shit out of it and ill let u guys know if its a pos or not thanx for all the help ppl

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Var

hey shut up you stupid monkey :hammer:

now it's my turn to get flamed. go for it dude..no im kidding.. dont

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