articdragon192

25mph isn't racing through a yellow. Needless to say, in the previous track events I've done, I've seen yellow and I've only slowed down and kept an eye out. A yellow flag isn't a red flag. Red flag means stop. Yellow means slow down. And if he did slow down, then he did the right thing. Especially if it's a drop to 25mph. Granted, there's a dust cloud, but at times at leaves you guessing what happened and where the source of the cloud is. 25mph is pretty slow IMO. Some people can't even hold that speed limit through a construction zone, so I think he did the right thing.
Shit happens. Not everything is forseeable. It's unfortunate a car got hit but you take that risk when you go to any track event, race or practice related.

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steve shadows

If your suddenly driving through blind fog do you slow down more? or keep going at a constant speed.

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Of course you slow down when you're driving through the cloud of dust. But 25mph isn't suddenly.

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steve shadows

so your saying he had even more time to react?

so it wasnt suddenly

remeber Im going to be a lawyer one day if I dont go broke haha

can we just get back to the jack off session in this thread regarding how much of a kickass time it was, rather than picking apart some Evo's crash on a Nissan forum?

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Haha, I'm sorrrttt of glad I missed the car paint swapping party now.

This brings up an interesting point tho (at least to me).

At other events I've participated in, yellow flag meant slow down to about half-speed, or less... considering he went from 70mph -> 25 mph, that's a lot imho.

Of course, if he slowed down more, maybe something could have been avoided... however, what was stated, if anything, at the drivers' meeting? Since I wasn't there, I don't know, but usually it's along the lines of "half speed"/"cruising speed" when you see a yellow.

Another potentially bad situation could have happened, similar to the video he posted.

5mph may have saved him from hitting the s2k, but he noticed a car behind him... that car may not have known to slow down that much & ended up rear ending him.

And to go totally off on a tangent, perhaps if the driver in the s2k clutched in ("both feet in" like they tell you every time you go out to a car event in regards to spinning out), he wouldn't have stalled out & be able to pull off the side of the road.

And lastly, things like this "shouldn't" be happening at all in the intermediate & up levels.

Glad you guys had fun tho

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Jung918

the s2k driver spun and ended in the dirt. He got hit and from that ended on the road.

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brokeAs240sx

Hold on...

- So s2k spun onto dirt.
- Evo goes thru turn @ 25mph onto the dirt to hit the s2k?

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brokeAs240sx

Jung918... doesn't match MoReRyCe's recount of what happened, which seems to make more sense...

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tacotacotaco

We need the full s2k perspective. Then an official statement. A recreation. Some CSI jackets. eye witness testimony, and a blacklight because theres always semen at the scene. Well anyways looking at the damage from both parties it seems like a pretty damn good hit to bend the suspension on the s2k like that.

Next track event i should be rolling in with a full alignment and corner balance.

brokeAs240sx

I'd imagine some drivers got scared shitless... but semen huh? hmmmm, I'll get some ppl on it:

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ESCALVANTE

Anyone have pics or video of crash or the aftermath??

Lesson learned: If you see a dust cloud, be sure to slow down, maybe even stop and remain visible to others on track.

Anyone going to Streets of Willow on Jan 5th or 6th?

tacotacotaco

you can find some pics in here http://picasaweb.google.com/sgharibian/ButtonWillow

im gonna push to try to get in on the streets event but right now christmas aint letting me plan that far ahead.

Nikeboy355

Yes there are pictures but this shouldn't be the point of the thread... The point of these threads I open on GRIP events is to encourage more people to come...

And to develop s-chassis cars to be able to run with cars that are much more expensive...

Wait till you see Daryl's video chasing a modded Porsche GT3... Driver skill and car development to race with the big boys...

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ESCALVANTE

Good thing the drivers didn't get hurt.

What spring rates are you guys running on these S chassis cars?

tacotacotaco

I think we just about talked the buttonwillow thread down. Maybe a new thread should be started to talk just about any track events and experiences for the so cal group.

On a side note i found my alignment spec sheet from hiros when i ran streets. That was back during early summer since then i dropped my subframe and put alum bushings in. I know that my alignment isnt the same anymore because my steering wheel is a lil to the right and the bushings made the subframe sit closer to the frame also some of the camber bolts in the rear i wasnt able to match back to original position measuring. It sucks i didnt make time for an alignment before the track. i know this time around i had way more pronounced oversteer. Hopefully once i know my alignments all good im gonna go from there to dial out my suspension. im also looking to get an ats carbon lsd 1.5 way and move to progress sways.

MoReRyCe

Steve and everyone.. i just want to thank you guys for everything be it good or bad.. this is a definite learning experiance for me being my first accident ever.. its very difficult to really make oppinions on what could have happened but its very useful listenning and understanding everyone.. again thank you guys..

as for the s2k.. no he wsnt sitting in the dirt when he spun.. he went on the track... there was a trail of coolant from my car that trailed from a few feet farther than the right side away forn the middle of the track.. so he was a considerable distance from it.. if i would have gont into the dirt i would have stayed in the dirt.. and my car would have dirt all over it from the dust... i did talk to lenard the s2k driver and he did think he was in the dirt.. but we made it clear he wasnt.. none the less.. this thread is now dead..

again.. thank you everyone with all the advice .. please dont be afraid to say wuts up if you guys see me on track... !

tacotacotaco

Im running silkroads 8/6 i had them set i think at 4 clicks upfront 2 out back. Streets i ran them full soft with very good results
The guy in the white kouki was running tanabe 7 i think 8/10 at full soft. His car was def handling better than my car gripping a lot harder on the same tires.

ESCALVANTE

This incident will prove helpful to all of us as we are probably going to be more cautious next time out.

Will you be attending the SOW event in the beginning of January? Will your car be out of the shop by then?

Maybe we shold make a Socal Track Junkies thread like the one we have on the S2k boards?

tacotacotaco

i was just thinking the same thing. I guess it should be posted in the motorsports thread. Ill start one up

ESCALVANTE

I'll see you over there.

tacotacotaco

ok its up lets move on over

Nikeboy355

This is what Steve and I saw...

Video (164MB)... right click and save...

http://nitinj.com/Images/240SX2/Butt...acts S2000.mpg

Pics...

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MoReRyCe

My car wont be ready but ill be out there with my other evo... its stock but still lots of fun..

january 11th is the next one im going to its a private event, paul2x has more details on it..

steve shadows

glad I wont be there haha

naw I kid kid.

I need to get some more parts for the bish before I track again.

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MoReRyCe

lol ass...

fo sho.. like i said dont be afraid to say wussup!

steve shadows

afraid of what? you calling me afraid? haha

take care

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MoReRyCe

just watched the video.. thanx for posting it.. brings chills ... lol

articdragon192

Just making sure, you the guy with the fastest time on R-comps at gmr?

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yea that would be me....

b4racing

It’s funny how the guy claims 25mph and everyone believes him. Do you have pictures to prove it? If everyone saw the damage to the evo and the s2k, it is obvious that the damage was not done at 25mph.

Also, this idea of not stopping because of being afraid to be rear-ended is crap. If you were going 25mph as you so claimed, the car behind you would have been able to react and stop at that slow of a speed. And if you want to say that he was tailing you through a dust cloud, obviously ignoring the yellow flag as you did, then you are right—you both don’t belong in the advance group.

Let’s just call it what it is. The driver with "5 years of racing experience" thinks he’s too good to slow down for the yellow flags.