ronmcdon

I still don't think you've answered my second question.
Again, let's say the victim's mind is malfunctioning, and they are an idiot.
How is that relevant?

It's one thing to say that the victim being transgendered may have provoked the attack
(which would confirm the assumption of this being a hate crime).
It's another thing to question why the victim chose to be trans gender in the first place, and presume there's a likelihood that they chose to be such b/c of stupidity and malfunctioning of the mind.
Why did you feel the need to say this?

I can't speak for others, but it's not my intention to throw insults.
Just intrigued with your rationale behind why your earlier post, and that's why I'm asking.
In all fairness, you can't expect to voice controversial opinions without pushing any buttons here or pretty much anywhere else.

I wouldn't go so far to generalize that the root of the problem lies within the current generation.
I do feel that this is possibly the result of poor upbringing, which is going to happen everywhere, all the time.
I also feel that if you live in a ghetto, you will inevitably expose yourself to some of the worst examples of human behavior.
Poverty usually does that (ppl love to say racism is the cause, but I don't find that reasoning too compelling).
It's not an optimal environment to bringing up kids.

We just see more of this now, possibly b/c of cell-phones w/ video recording capability & the attention that youtube presents.
If you didn't see so much of this 10 years ago or further back,
doesn't necc mean it did not happen or that the world was a better place then.

bb4_96

I don't know how the legal system works everywhere else but around here the best the legal system can do about a situation like this one is about 6 years of status hearings and maybe a reasonable conviction some time down the road. Maybe 90 days depending on how crowded the jail is.

I got my ass handed to me when i was in high school over some dumb shit. I was in the ER for a stint. 4 years later the court got me $100 for my hospital bills and not a single one of the four guys saw a cell for a single night.

I'm not the only person around here with a similar story and I don't know how it is everywhere else but it seems as though locally at least the legal system is pretty much worthless. I think it varies based on court system load. If Baltimore is a rough area then those girls may never see a cell. Maybe a fine or some community service 10 years down the road.

It's the assumption that the legal system is going to take care of everything that is the problem. Enough bad people already know for a fact everything that I just said and use it to their advantage every day. All the while people go on about their business assuming they are protected by the legal system.

Otto347

All the more reason for public execution...................

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ronmcdon

The thing is, you don't even know if jail/prison works as punishment.
I'm willing to bet this wasn't the first, nor the last time the said perp will get in legal trouble.

civil lawsuits do have the potential to be more effective.
nobody likes to get sued for their money.
not sure how it works, if they don't have money to begin with.

gearhead55

I think this is the key. Stuff like this always has happened, but the development of cell phone cameras has just made everything more visible.

Yea i think you're right. Like i said earlier, thats why in a situation like the one in this video anyone with a conscience has to get involved.

BTW you mentioned how the legal system works where you live, where do you live? I'm sorry to hear that the guys that out you in the hospital never saw legal justice.

singlecamslam

ghetto pieces of shit will always be ghetto pieces of shit. I would lay both of them out in a heartbeat, than the camera man.
I also like how the camera man is telling them to flee because the police are coming. "Yall better get outta here the police are coming" Thats aiding criminal charges. fucking piece of shit.

KiLLeR2001

It's relevant because I am questioning this person's history of rational decision making based on the factual knowledge that he went ahead with a sex change operation. On top of that notion, this person was also intoxicated during this whole ordeal. Regardless, what the black females did in this video is still intolerable. What I am getting at is that there is a possibility that the victim did something to set off the black females that society (their ghetto society) may deem as a justified action.

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Daniel.

No. Whatever She did or did not do, it didn't warrant a beating of that measure. (Unless she did something similar to those girls previously, which is obviously not the case in this situation.)

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KiLLeR2001

No? What are you saying no to? Did I say that whatever she did or didn't do warrants a beating of this magnitude? No I did not.

And even if the victim did the exact same thing to these black girls a week earlier (for argument's sake) that STILL does not make the actions of the black females justifiable. But this dances along the lines of religious beliefs, and we won't get into that here.

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Daniel.

You're denser than I am when I haven't shit for a week.

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ronmcdon

I think that's a bit of a stretch there.

Many transgendered individuals can perfectly hold jobs, satisfying social relations, go to college, etc.
If they can do that, chances are they should be okay with not getting into regular fights at fast food establishments.
(unless there are records to prove the said individual always gets in trouble).
Being 'intoxicated' is a more plausible factor that she may have been rash,
however, again no mention of prior records that she got in fights b/c of it.

Now let's look the said perp.
Looking at her prior history, this isn't the first time she's been accused of assaulting another person, in the same establishment no less.
Looking at what happened at the McD's, the old lady who tried to separate the fight also got punched by her.

There's only so much benefit of the doubt you can reasonably give.

Even if said victim threw the first punch & started the whole ordeal,
the perp would still be in deep shit in going far & beyond what would be expected of self-defense.
Plus punching the old lady (& the possibility of fleeing the scene before the cops arrive) is entirely unjustified.

The perp here has zero credibility imo.

4DOOR_LIFE

everyone needs to lighten up. you guys are getting a little too carried away arguing about all of this.

there are ignorant people everywhere who fight over anything. no use arguing about it, seeing as it won't change anything.

Matej

Everybody knows it would only constitute as a hate crime if the attackers were white.

JDMStanced

f....this just made me sick

!Zar!

I've seen white, asian, black, latino, and so on get in skuffs like this all the time. So I must say that this is nothing new. Nor is it expected to be only, 'black people.

By the employee being there and witnessing this happening, that makes him a part of it. So instead of him trying to break the situation up, he recorded it and put it up on youtube? lol WAT

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ding ding ding

Future240

Got to love media for that.

It would also happen if the person being attacked was homosexual.

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LB 180SX

that crazy how the media broadcasts these videos and shows their bias opinions based on what is seen.. like it was mentioned , no one really knows what caused this in the first place.. yea it should have been stopped and yes its terrible that someone gets beaten that bad, but we see shit like this everyday and no one gives a shit, especially when its a minority issue, they only make examples of situations that are viewed by many, otherwise its just another person getting beat and no one cares..bet they will get a harsh sentence as suppose to it being the other way around..

Ramonesfreak2010

MD represent!

I KID!!!!!

I live in MD, and its just not Baltimore. I live in Silver Spring, and some parts are dangerous. While I was driving today, some guy and his "crew" were about to J-walk until they saw me and that was about to turn. The car in front of me was turning as well. The dude who was about to cross pulled up his arm, pointed it at the guy in front of him, and pretended he was firing a gun while saying "Baow baow" (something like that). He did it to me too. Nothing serious but yea... thought i'd share. I find it sad.

bb4_96

+1 there would be no repeat offenders

I live in northern illinois. Things like my scenario are fairly frequent. Next month my wife has to serve as a witness in a property damage incident she witnessed in 2004. The case has been in courts for 7 years now.

If they don't have money the victims get less. It happened to me. Civil lawsuits do nothing to people with nothing to lose. People without a penny are the ones out causing trouble.

There has to be an effective means of punishing perps/isolating them from better adjusted members of society. As far as I can tell jail is pretty cush other than the obvious drawbacks. If you had a crummy life to begin with jail isn't that bad at all. The fact that I can say that honestly is an indicator that the system is broken. And the fact that there are so many repeat offenders is also an indicator the system is broken.

I think we as a nation need to make petty crime less appealing. You would think felony assault would be a big deal but if it was, this wouldn't continue to happen. I don't think there would be much less of this if people were punished more effectively. Toss these girls in the cell with some real violent offenders for a couple weeks in the federal pen and see how much they want to go back.

As much as I'd like to see something effective take place I know some publc defender is going to hash out a deal and these girls will be back out on the street in at best a few months time.

rb25_s13*CHUKI

I woulda dropped those stupid bitchs, this isn't a racist comment but black girls have big fukin mouths and egos. They think they are the shit and talk the most shit out of any other race., I remember this one big ass bitch in high school tried to put hands on me like she was a dude. I put hands on her right back like she was one. Like a great rapper once said. "Ill never hit a woman no! But ill slap the shit out a bitch".

rb25_s13*CHUKI

You'll needa. Go before the police come blah blah blah. Bitch ass foos too, some people on this earth are fucking dumbass fucks who need to be put to sleep. I grew up with lots of racial tension and this kind of shit does nothing but feed it.

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s13poop

that was pretty bad to watch it gave me a headache

I hope those dumb broads serve McJail time Get a Mc Double Fine for all that non sense

SMH at society...

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Otto347

That is the problem, our legal system needs a swift clean up. Or more like a common sense branch that all cases go through to see if they are even worth the courts time in the first place.

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fyneyoungstunna

Damn, I leave D.C. And this is how bad you let thE Baltimore people get?
Now I hear even the dc people are scared of Baltimore? WTF they were trash when Baltimore first started and only getting worse. If your not an of from dc you won't really understand that statement...


Ok, I saw the world taking a turn for this way back in I think it was 02 or 03 when the video of the girl getting beat to DEATH by basically the whole neiborhood came out on YouTube. Reason they did it; said she was a snitch. After that video I seriously started supporting vigalanty justice, I would have bombed that whole hood Men women and children; kill the tree at the roots.

Now I can kinda add light in a way, as to why some of us guys don't step in:
If your big guy like me (6'7 pushing 300lbs) when you use force the world is quick to label you as a monster. I intervened in my schools back field when 4 girls and two guys were trying to stab another girl because she didn't live in "their hood". I broke two assailants arms and collapsed a lung of the other, not because of I went berserk, but because they just weren't going to stop attacking the other girl unless they were put out of the fight. Keep in mind that they were all armed. That made me a targe at school, thank god for friends! Maybe that will shine some light?
Now I do agree that all the people that stood and watched should be beaten and thrown in jail; i mean fuck it's a "HUMAN" life in jeopardy when did we become disposable?

!Zar!

Really depends on where you grow up. I see tons of Viet/Filipino/Korean/Mexican/Black chicks go crazy in the bay area.

Thus result from my study is that ALL women are crazy.

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Pro ViZIon

I like how it all turns into a "HATE CRIME" just cause they were black.

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rb25_s13*CHUKI

@ !zar! I see your study haha makes sense, yea around here there's a few crazy flipps and hispanic chicks but the majority of the crazys are black chicks, or them crazy dope fiend white chicks

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holemilk00

What????? Its a hate crime because the victim was transgendered, which at this point in the laws eyes is grouped with homosexuals. THATS why it is a hate crime.

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ronmcdon

Just b/c you're transgendered doesn't necc entail that you must also be homosexual.
Tbh, I'm not so sure you can call it a hate crime.
Maybe I missed something but I don't see how this started b/c the perp found the transgendered intolerable.
The perp could have begun the assault, just b/c she's a bitch.