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SicBastard · 02-22-2007, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gavster

So, I didnt get done what I wanted this weekend, and even hit a small road block. My pan is a tad too shallow to clear, so I would need to rework everything

How can it be too shallow to clear? Clear what? You can recess a dry sump pan anywhere you want till it hits the crank!

I'm installing a corvette LS1 into my 98s14 and have been investigating many of the same issues. After talking to a couple of guys that do nothing but pan fabrication, I've learned a few things.

#1 making/modifying a wet sump pan is risky buisness. The fluid dynamics of a pan are impossible to predict. And can lead to both serious windage and oil pressure problems.

#2 unless you just plan on handing ARE $1-2k. dry sumps are a rediculous pain in the ass. and will probably end up costing you over $1k anyway. One benefit that wasn't mentioned before is that you can gain a few more horsepower by going with lower tension piston rings if you are dry sump. But it also wasn't mentioned that if you throw a simple belt that your engine goes *boom* with no oil pressure.

#3 if you plan on modifying a wet sump pan at all get an ACCUSUMP. Hell get one even if you plan on drifting with a good stock wet sump. Not only do they prevent spun bearings, but can even be used as preoilers. Pretty cool. I just picked up a manual valved 3QT one from a circle track dude complete with mounts for my cage for $130.

Gavster · 02-22-2007, 07:31 PM

Good post Sicbastard,

I think I did decide to stick with dry sump as you mentioned, based on the trickery with wet sump, haha. The problem with the pan was that it didnt clear the mains/crank support etc underneath since those parts *barely* protrude past the block....i just need to mod it, and the pan def clears everything else so. Im sure I will be spending 1000 plus on the oil sys alone...I mean, the ATI crank damper with a oil drive pulley on it runs 700 by itself so...eh...i know im in deep

It will come out well though, I promise!

Slidin240Wayz · 02-22-2007, 07:40 PM

So did you cut too much off of the oil pan?

Carlos

BlackZenkiS14 · 02-22-2007, 08:14 PM

wow, im subscribing to this thread! This is one of the baddest builds i have ever seen!!

SicBastard · 02-22-2007, 08:32 PM

Those ATI balancers are expensive! But a really good idea too. Especially on an engine like the RBs with their hell for long cranks. Plus they are rebuildable, and a lot of pro builders claim that they are worth some hp just by smoothing everything out at high rpm. Like I said before, make sure that your piston supplier knows that you're running a boosted engine with a dry sump. One nice thing about the extra weight of the dry sump system is that you can put it anywhere. Stick your Sumptank/Air seperator back where the gas evap shit is behind the rear passenger wheel!

PS. I really dig your cage. It's nice to see someone finally install a harness bar at the appropriate height for once! You may want to consider adding some more bars down from the main hoop in addition to the X. I know that NHRA regulations require that the main hoop supports be no more than 7-15 degrees off 90 from the hoop. The X is more like 45 degrees off.

Something I've been having trouble getting a straight answer on is where is the best place to attach the harness. I've heard some say far away to allow a little "stretch" on impact. And other more reputable sources say as close as possible to the seat (the harness bar) because there is a reduced chance of deformation (less likely to have a change in the tension of the harness) on impact. I can't make up my mind.

RUTH'LESSDET · 02-22-2007, 08:53 PM

This is a crazy build I love it more pics please

Ameer · 02-24-2007, 06:31 PM

I agree with RUTH'LESSDET

corey240 · 02-25-2007, 05:26 AM

damn man iv been following this thread since it started and i already thought it was coming along awsome and your welds were nice, i finaly got to do my first welding ever yesterday and i suck. you cannot appreciate a fine weld until you try it for the first time, yours are beuts

illvialuver · 03-03-2007, 03:21 AM

I am fiending for some mor eprogress pics!!!!

kouki_s14 · 03-06-2007, 07:09 PM

What dry sump pump, lines, kit, etc are you planning on using? ARE stuff? Price? Are you mounting the resevior in the trunk?
Just curious so i know what to expect if i decide to go this route with the new build. Any info on this would be great, thanks.

Henry

BLITZZZ · 03-06-2007, 07:21 PM

thread is going downhill!!!! need more pics! keep this thread alive!

S13FREEAAK · 03-06-2007, 08:32 PM

Give him some time. Its not as quick of a process as everyone seems to think.

SicBastard · 03-06-2007, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BLITZZZ

thread is going downhill!!!! need more pics! keep this thread alive!

This Ain't "Unique Whips" Jag-Off. And there aren't 36 guys working 24 hours a day 7 days a week on this project.

s14unimog · 03-07-2007, 07:46 AM

Props all around sir!!!! Great Fab. work!!!!

Gavster · 03-07-2007, 09:27 PM

Haha keep yer britches on! Ill get updates ASAP, but im honestly waiting to paint it, and the weather has owned me 2 weekends in a row...65 degree week days and all of a sudden 35-40 on saturday and sunday leaving me to do nothing lol. Good news is, this saturday and sunday its suppossed to be 70, so I should at the least get the car primed inside and out!! Stay tuned!!!

About the dry sump...Im not using a kit, but making all of my own stuff. My own pan, getting a pump anf making a bracket, setting up the drive on the crank, etc. its gonna be good, but still gotta source a lot of it! Ill keep you posted though

Thanks to everyone for still keeping up with this....school is whipping my ass, got a new job, etc etc but i still find the time so just bear with me!

illvialuver · 03-10-2007, 11:08 PM

ive been checkin your thread on the weekly and sometimes daily and just to be disapointed, but atleast i kow when you post pics it wwill be worth the wait.

SicBastard · 03-11-2007, 01:10 AM

Gavster, what was it about your RB26hybrid intake that you didn't like?

Gavster · 03-13-2007, 11:44 PM

SicBastard, the ports on the rb25 part arent totally in a linear pattern, so the fitment, runner to runner on the two halves leaves a bit to be desired, but it could be cleared up with some porting! I think I will do something a little more extreme

But, if anyone wants it I could easily sell it(read make an offer if you are interested, itll be cheap)

To everyone that has been patiently awaiting updates...this is a pretty big one! The weather finally cooperated and since its spring break...I have been making major progress! The car is finally primed all the way out! Its so nice to have a car sitting out in my garage thats finally all one color..it looks sooooo much better and is far more inspiring to me. This thurs I will have the interior painted and the bay painted too so watch for more updates! Heres a short synopsis of whats been going on:

This sunday, my friend who paints came over to help me prep n prime the car! The guy doing the spray for me is really awesome even has 2 cars he has sprayed in a local museum! Anywho, we primed the interior and engine bay sunday and then tonight we primed the rest! For those wondering about the pink....we sprayed it on to aide in blocking out the primer, look for the shout out

Enjoy, and thanks for always keeping up with this guys, its inspiring!! Now, the pics:

First light the car has seen in a long time!!

A lil more bondo on the tranny tunnel to smooth some things out

Inside as of sunday afternoon

Gettin ready to spray primer tonight:

Jon doin' his thing

Woot!

Of course he had to sign it lol

Cupid has me roped in on this one haha

Obligatory shout out!! Zilvia.net!

Looking bueno!

Thanks guys, keep watchin it!!

-Gav

sr20boostn20 · 03-13-2007, 11:50 PM

wow lookin fresh

JewGal · 03-14-2007, 02:35 AM

Dean loves Zilvia.net? Well, Zilvia.net loves Dean too.

speedfiend · 03-14-2007, 09:57 AM

Ive been following this thread since the begining but havent really posted anything. I just wanted to say that things are coming together great and give you mad props on all the hard work you have put into the car. I love when people take on chellenges like this instead of handing their car to a shop to do it for them. +a million for the excellent DIY work. I could only wish to have the welding skills that you have. Keep the updates coming and I cant wait to see the final product. Good luck with all the work.

240trainee · 03-14-2007, 10:42 AM

hell yea man

s13speeddrft · 03-14-2007, 02:17 PM

i'm lovin this thread. keep her rollin' man, great job!

swift_style · 03-14-2007, 02:35 PM

when this baby is running, update up please!! I wanna see the end results

S13FREEAAK · 03-14-2007, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swift_style

when this baby is running, update up please!! I wanna see the end results

He just did an update?

Give the guy some time, I'm sure he is not really concerned about when other people want updates.

s14unimog · 03-14-2007, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S13FREEAAK

He just did an update?

Give the guy some time, I'm sure he is not really concerned about when other people want updates.

True. But, I'm sure he is glad to read that people are interested in what he is doing and I'm sure it gives him more motivation to finish. A write up like this deserves praise and enthusiasm!

If you don't have something nice to say, then Shhhhhhh....

Gavster · 03-14-2007, 11:51 PM

thanks guys for your continued support....i know lots of people on here got used to my weekly updates but they have gotten a bit slower....hang in there and keep watchin!

SO a question to the masses....im buying my aero shortly...VS version 1 or Origin stylish....whats the verdict?

Ian · 03-14-2007, 11:58 PM

Why did you primer it all smooth and then paint on it? lol

Don't get either, do something different! Maybe BN blister kit! Or Msports and slam it

s13speeddrft · 03-15-2007, 12:53 AM

out of those 2....my pick is origin.

Gumballf355 · 03-15-2007, 02:00 AM

Origin Stylish...

02-22-2007, 07:40 PM	#303
Slidin240Wayz Post Whore! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Everywhere Age: 36 Posts: 5,427 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	So did you cut too much off of the oil pan? Carlos __________________ Support Zilvia by purchasing a sticker!

02-22-2007, 08:14 PM	#304
BlackZenkiS14 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: "St. Chuck", MO Age: 35 Posts: 2,091 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	wow, im subscribing to this thread! This is one of the baddest builds i have ever seen!! __________________ -Kyle

02-22-2007, 08:32 PM	#305
SicBastard Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New York, NY Posts: 803 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Those ATI balancers are expensive! But a really good idea too. Especially on an engine like the RBs with their hell for long cranks. Plus they are rebuildable, and a lot of pro builders claim that they are worth some hp just by smoothing everything out at high rpm. Like I said before, make sure that your piston supplier knows that you're running a boosted engine with a dry sump. One nice thing about the extra weight of the dry sump system is that you can put it anywhere. Stick your Sumptank/Air seperator back where the gas evap shit is behind the rear passenger wheel! PS. I really dig your cage. It's nice to see someone finally install a harness bar at the appropriate height for once! You may want to consider adding some more bars down from the main hoop in addition to the X. I know that NHRA regulations require that the main hoop supports be no more than 7-15 degrees off 90 from the hoop. The X is more like 45 degrees off. Something I've been having trouble getting a straight answer on is where is the best place to attach the harness. I've heard some say far away to allow a little "stretch" on impact. And other more reputable sources say as close as possible to the seat (the harness bar) because there is a reduced chance of deformation (less likely to have a change in the tension of the harness) on impact. I can't make up my mind. __________________ BURN OUT IN YOUR FACE! 1998 S14 LS7/T56 swap in progress, build thread: http://zilvia.net/f/tech-talk/147301...d-gto-pan.html

02-22-2007, 08:53 PM	#306
RUTH'LESSDET Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NYC Age: 41 Posts: 905 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	This is a crazy build I love it more pics please __________________ 91 Sil80-Sold, LS2 Powered 1997 240sx-Traded, 2005 350z-Sold, Whats next?

02-25-2007, 05:26 AM	#308
corey240 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cumberland, Maryland Age: 32 Posts: 508 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	damn man iv been following this thread since it started and i already thought it was coming along awsome and your welds were nice, i finaly got to do my first welding ever yesterday and i suck. you cannot appreciate a fine weld until you try it for the first time, yours are beuts __________________ Email: [email protected]

02-22-2007, 07:31 PM	#302
Gavster Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Charleston, SC Age: 35 Posts: 512 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Good post Sicbastard, I think I did decide to stick with dry sump as you mentioned, based on the trickery with wet sump, haha. The problem with the pan was that it didnt clear the mains/crank support etc underneath since those parts barely protrude past the block....i just need to mod it, and the pan def clears everything else so. Im sure I will be spending 1000 plus on the oil sys alone...I mean, the ATI crank damper with a oil drive pulley on it runs 700 by itself so...eh...i know im in deep It will come out well though, I promise!

02-24-2007, 06:31 PM	#307
Ameer Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Los Angeles,CA Age: 31 Posts: 181 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I agree with RUTH'LESSDET

03-03-2007, 03:21 AM	#309
illvialuver Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: M-A-R-S... MARS BITCHES Age: 38 Posts: 5,065 Trader Rating: (35) Feedback Score: 35 reviews	I am fiending for some mor eprogress pics!!!!

03-06-2007, 07:09 PM	#310
kouki_s14 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,550 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	What dry sump pump, lines, kit, etc are you planning on using? ARE stuff? Price? Are you mounting the resevior in the trunk? Just curious so i know what to expect if i decide to go this route with the new build. Any info on this would be great, thanks. Henry

03-06-2007, 07:21 PM	#311
BLITZZZ BANNED Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 134 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	thread is going downhill!!!! need more pics! keep this thread alive!

03-06-2007, 08:32 PM	#312
S13FREEAAK Drifterella Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 2,435 Trader Rating: (14) Rides Gallery: S13FREEAAK Feedback Score: 14 reviews	Give him some time. Its not as quick of a process as everyone seems to think.

03-07-2007, 07:46 AM	#314
s14unimog Nissanaholic! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: In a place, near a river, over a lake Age: 34 Posts: 2,415 Trader Rating: (22) Rides Gallery: s14unimog Feedback Score: 22 reviews	Props all around sir!!!! Great Fab. work!!!! __________________ Fuking ginger bread man stole my wallet... SHIFT*lock_slide to side d3m3rs0n: if i have a baby im naming it Brandons Fault Emerson

03-07-2007, 09:27 PM	#315
Gavster Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Charleston, SC Age: 35 Posts: 512 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Haha keep yer britches on! Ill get updates ASAP, but im honestly waiting to paint it, and the weather has owned me 2 weekends in a row...65 degree week days and all of a sudden 35-40 on saturday and sunday leaving me to do nothing lol. Good news is, this saturday and sunday its suppossed to be 70, so I should at the least get the car primed inside and out!! Stay tuned!!! About the dry sump...Im not using a kit, but making all of my own stuff. My own pan, getting a pump anf making a bracket, setting up the drive on the crank, etc. its gonna be good, but still gotta source a lot of it! Ill keep you posted though Thanks to everyone for still keeping up with this....school is whipping my ass, got a new job, etc etc but i still find the time so just bear with me!

03-10-2007, 11:08 PM	#316
illvialuver Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: M-A-R-S... MARS BITCHES Age: 38 Posts: 5,065 Trader Rating: (35) Feedback Score: 35 reviews	ive been checkin your thread on the weekly and sometimes daily and just to be disapointed, but atleast i kow when you post pics it wwill be worth the wait.

03-11-2007, 01:10 AM	#317
SicBastard Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: New York, NY Posts: 803 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Gavster, what was it about your RB26hybrid intake that you didn't like? __________________ BURN OUT IN YOUR FACE! 1998 S14 LS7/T56 swap in progress, build thread: http://zilvia.net/f/tech-talk/147301...d-gto-pan.html

03-13-2007, 11:44 PM	#318
Gavster Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Charleston, SC Age: 35 Posts: 512 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	SicBastard, the ports on the rb25 part arent totally in a linear pattern, so the fitment, runner to runner on the two halves leaves a bit to be desired, but it could be cleared up with some porting! I think I will do something a little more extreme But, if anyone wants it I could easily sell it(read make an offer if you are interested, itll be cheap) To everyone that has been patiently awaiting updates...this is a pretty big one! The weather finally cooperated and since its spring break...I have been making major progress! The car is finally primed all the way out! Its so nice to have a car sitting out in my garage thats finally all one color..it looks sooooo much better and is far more inspiring to me. This thurs I will have the interior painted and the bay painted too so watch for more updates! Heres a short synopsis of whats been going on: This sunday, my friend who paints came over to help me prep n prime the car! The guy doing the spray for me is really awesome even has 2 cars he has sprayed in a local museum! Anywho, we primed the interior and engine bay sunday and then tonight we primed the rest! For those wondering about the pink....we sprayed it on to aide in blocking out the primer, look for the shout out Enjoy, and thanks for always keeping up with this guys, its inspiring!! Now, the pics: First light the car has seen in a long time!! A lil more bondo on the tranny tunnel to smooth some things out Inside as of sunday afternoon Gettin ready to spray primer tonight: Jon doin' his thing Woot! Of course he had to sign it lol Cupid has me roped in on this one haha Obligatory shout out!! Zilvia.net! Looking bueno! Thanks guys, keep watchin it!! -Gav

03-13-2007, 11:50 PM	#319
sr20boostn20 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Lake Tahoe, CA/ LI NY Age: 35 Posts: 423 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	wow lookin fresh

03-14-2007, 02:35 AM	#320
JewGal Leaky Injector Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Glendale Posts: 97 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Car looks EVIL (in a good way). Dean loves Zilvia.net? Well, Zilvia.net loves Dean too.

03-14-2007, 09:57 AM	#321
speedfiend Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Destin, Fl./Houston, Tx. Age: 36 Posts: 1,190 Trader Rating: (66) Feedback Score: 66 reviews	Ive been following this thread since the begining but havent really posted anything. I just wanted to say that things are coming together great and give you mad props on all the hard work you have put into the car. I love when people take on chellenges like this instead of handing their car to a shop to do it for them. +a million for the excellent DIY work. I could only wish to have the welding skills that you have. Keep the updates coming and I cant wait to see the final product. Good luck with all the work.

03-14-2007, 10:42 AM	#322
240trainee Post Whore! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 34 Posts: 3,861 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	hell yea man __________________ Team Pterodactyl SHARK ATTACK!!! LookoutDrift

03-14-2007, 02:17 PM	#323
s13speeddrft Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: orange county/ davis Age: 33 Posts: 235 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: s13speeddrft Feedback Score: 1 reviews	i'm lovin this thread. keep her rollin' man, great job! __________________ http://s165.photobucket.com/albums/u63/ajhartma/ 1990 240sx hatch....currently monster truck status, with sunken battleships. Junkyard Scavenger

03-14-2007, 02:35 PM	#324
swift_style Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: CA Posts: 445 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	when this baby is running, update up please!! I wanna see the end results

03-14-2007, 11:51 PM	#327
Gavster Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Charleston, SC Age: 35 Posts: 512 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	thanks guys for your continued support....i know lots of people on here got used to my weekly updates but they have gotten a bit slower....hang in there and keep watchin! SO a question to the masses....im buying my aero shortly...VS version 1 or Origin stylish....whats the verdict?

03-15-2007, 12:53 AM	#329
s13speeddrft Zilvia Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: orange county/ davis Age: 33 Posts: 235 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: s13speeddrft Feedback Score: 1 reviews	out of those 2....my pick is origin. __________________ http://s165.photobucket.com/albums/u63/ajhartma/ 1990 240sx hatch....currently monster truck status, with sunken battleships. Junkyard Scavenger

03-15-2007, 02:00 AM	#330
Gumballf355 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Jose, CA Age: 41 Posts: 605 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Origin Stylish...

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