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Yes, we beat chi town.

Amare is struggling. We need a cp3 .the turnovers were horrible.

FRpilot

you're telling me? i have amare on my squad and he is killing me. is he trying to be dwight howard with the TOs? i don't get how big men rack up the TO's unless they are pretending to play PG like Zbo here:



yesterday, he was averaging 5.7 TOs a game, and that was before he had his 8 TO game yesterday. he is now up to averaging 6.3 TOs per game. That's got to be some kind of record!

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on a side note clippers still suck

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Heard that^

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hornets unbeated. wtf?

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^ That's what I was thinking! Nice to see CP3 winning consistently again though.

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not that i'm a hater...

but do you guys also feel that every time the heat lose that it seems like big news? like "OOOO Heat loss tonight. i guess they aren't invincible after all"

i don't know how to explain it and i don't know if they media is making it seem like that or what, but every time they lose it just seems like big news. i know they aren't going to chase the bulls 72-10 record and i guess the media is making it seem like all eyes are on the heat (which it is).

Not sure if anyone has noticed, but Boston is playing terrific and so are the Warriors?!

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Phlip

You know what?
(and no, this rant will not be for you personally)
If I am a hater for having been sick and fucking tired of hearing about every shit that the Miami Heat takes since July 9, then I will be that.

-However-

Now that it is in the air as such, EVERY TIME they fall anything short the 82-0 that I feel ESPN has been promising me since the summer, then you're motherfuckin right I will KEEP mentioning it. They got pieced up on opening night, and all of a sudden the apologists who were PREACHING that they would not need any time to jell suggested that we treat them fairly and give it time to build. These same people were on the motherfucking BANDWAGON just 12 days ago!
Chris Paul touched them the fuck up last night (which, by the way when considering their loss at Boston, suggests that they will KEEP having trouble with ANY team with a good PG) and I didn't even listen for excuses for that one.

What bothers me is that -- though I hate the Warriors -- Monta Ellis is leading the league in scoring, the Hawks, Hornets and Lakers are all undefeated and 9 teams have records better than or equal to the all-fucking-mighty Heat, but NOBODY can talk about that on TV, we need to know what LeBron James had for breakfast and see that damned commercial a million times an hour. And I thought they were already crowned champions during the preseason, this whole experiment was supposed to have already been a rousing success... No one was supposed to notice the gaping holes at PG and Center, and ESPECIALLY not that Chris Bosh has been pretending to be a max-contract player on a shitty team in Toronto and NOW he will be exposed by a list of people.

Yes, as I said in my blog, if I am proven wrong, I am willing to eat crow on this one, but can we PLEASE let the shit play out before kissing the asses of a group who has done next to nothing?

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But Bro! It was a whopping 3 point blow out!!!! OMG!!! lol.

Oh brother! You can thank Jeff Van Gundy for that whole record shattering jazz.

Did you actually see the game or just catch the highlights and looked at the boxscore? Hell, I don't suppose you watch any Heat game so I can see how you can make that analysis.

Actually, they have been discussing this on your favorite network.

Hey, we have to wait for CP3 and Duncan or whatever the paranoid NY and Chicago fans where saying.

What don't you like about Bosh's game in the Heat lineup? He's been doing exactly what he needs to do so far. You want to see more Offense? Defense?

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Phlip

Any loss is a blowout on an 82-0 team slated to win the next 5 championships.
I would thank him for starting it, I BLAME ESPN for running with it.
Box scores/highlights... Game was not televised here. I have watched the games that were televised here, and my analysis stands. That you can't or won't see that Rondo and now Chris Paul gave them problems is bothersome.
They don't talk about basketball on HD Theater
No money left to fill those spots now, not to mention that Duncan is headed to the glue factory when he is done, like players who have been loyal to the organizations they vowed to win with do when they're done with hall of fame careers.
I don't like Bosh and his game period, didn't like it in Toronto. He is where he is now ONLY because he was not playing for a contender. He did as EVERYONE before him (Vince Carter, T-Mac) did when he padded his stats to get his money on the way out the door. He is not a back-to-the-basket PF, he is not big or strong enough and his jumper is absolutely not dependable enough to be counted on outside of 15ish feet.
In other words he is NOT...

1. Pau Gasol
2. Tim Duncan
3. Amar'e Stoudemire
4. Kevin Garnett
5. Dirk Nowitzki

He is kinda like Boozer without a jumpshot.
And don't get me started on THAT fucking fraud, I hate him worse.
Anyway... If you'd have put Bosh on a credible contender at ANY point in his career prior to now, and he would have had similarly puny numbers. And yes, 5.4 rebounds a game at power forward for a team without a real center is PUNY. I would forgive the 14 points as a 3rd decoy, but the only excuse for the lack of rebounds at his position would be a 75% team field goal percentage, lol. As he is, he is a poor man's KG, and the places where he has skimped most has been defensive intensity.


I savored the Patriots losing the 2007 Superbowl, I got a chuckle out of LeBron's failures in the Eastern Conference Finals the last 2 years, I LOVED the Yankees losing -- especially to the team whose success was stifled by their own -- I guffawed a little at Zenyata losing last night and now I can HONESTLY say I was never surprised that a "superteam" with one winner (Wade) and 2 sidekicks couldn't turn that corner.

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S13shaka

lol yall get ur hate out now bc at the end of the season when the heat steamroll through the east and the lakers its gonna be so sweet

Phlip

^^^ Please repeat that with a valid argument based on something that has ANYTHING to do with basketball and I will attempt to take it seriously.

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Oh please, let me tell you why we lost. Nobody was giving a fuck about the game. They where not being aggressive and playing passively. It was very unlike the previous 3 games. As I stated earlier, Arroyo needs to GTFO. House was 0/7 from the arch and Wade decided to give him the last shot from the 3 point line instead of my boy James Jones who has been hot since pre-season. I blame Wade on that call, he was driving and could have put it in and possibly draw a foul. But forget the last shot, they where playing a lax defense anyways. Its one thing when you lose and you're giving it your all or if we would have lost playing at the level of the previous 3 games, but we didn't. They gave a mehhh effort and NO brought the A game.

We got Deron Williams, Rondo, and Nash coming up. I hope they light it up too because we need that, but we need to bring the same intensity we've put up before and Wade stop turning the ball over.

Oh, its not ESPN?

Its a joke. Every "big name" free agent that is coming up is slated to come here according to some paranoid fans, lol.

Hey, 2 of those guys on the list are 7ft and 3 are natural centers. At this point I would rather put UD in the 4 spot as I know what he can do since I've been watching him his whole career. He can beast it and still does. He gets us everything we need. Bosh has to find his role on this team, part of me thinks the coaches haven't brought along far enough in that sense. You're saying that Anthony and Big Z aren't real centers? Fuck it, we handed Dwight and his team a 26 point ass whooping. But hey, I know you don't like Dwight anyways...hell, you don't like many players outside the Lakers.

What corner? Its only November.

Oh baby!

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im just going to quote this for awesomeness.

If you guys even make it to the East Conf finals, you WILL be systematically picked apart by the Celtics. I'm a Laker fan, but the Celtics at this point scare the shit out of me.

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Phlip

If that is not a cause for concern, then I don't know what is. Keep THAT shit up, and Spoelstra is gone by all-star.
Yeah, for Wade's sake, I hope the turnovers stop.
I also hope that the 300million dollar coup doesn't shy away from the ball in the closing seconds like they did against NO.
"trusting the role players" my nuts, prove to me that they're worth the cash collectively, a superstar takes that shot and not Eddie House.
God no, ESPN fell back when they ceased to be objective and stopped pretending to be, about when the Patriots and Red Sox were winning at the same time. When the Celtics won, it was over, now they just chase ratings, no matter how damning it is to their own reputation as "the worldwide leader in sports," fuck ESPN.
No, my issue is that it will no longer be good enough to be good enough to beat the best of your era. A culture of beta males is what this shit suggests to me, "I don't need to be as good as I can be, as long as we winning."
It is why I hate what rap has become as well. It will make the coming free agent classes a bunch of pussies, and what very little parity the league had will shift to even fewer teams.
I take solace in knowing that the Knicks will manage to fuck this up, like they always do though.
1 is a natural center who lucked into being drafted into a situation where he had to play the 4. The other 7-footers are soft-ass Europeans.
I like Dwight in general, but as a center he is incomplete at both ends... He too get carved the fuck up when he must actually defend the ball or the pick and roll, he chases after the ball for a highlight block or rebound, but could give an approximate fuck about actually stopping the play. To that ends, the Celtics are still the best in the league. His offensive shortcomings are known and do not need to be harped upon.


I will do the starting lineup as of right now.

When Bynum comes back, make his assessment that he is made of glass as the obvious, apply that he is a fucking IDIOT defending the pick and roll and chasing the ball (see D. Howard assessment above) on defense.

As a team, they anger EVERYONE by playing with the above-mentioned aloofness and it costs them games and came DAMN close to costing home court advantage last year. As a fan, this is the one item that will make you HATE your team, and I swear they do this shit to me to the tune of half of their losses EVERY year.
There, I have critical language for the Lakers, and I mean every damned word of it and more... You happy now?

The beauty is that the championship teams have ALL been coached by managers who cracked heads and made them get their shit together when it mattered.
According to the language coming out of Miami, there was to be no time to jell, it is championship level ball out of the gate or bust. Since we have the NWO down there in Miami, that is to mean that no losses are to take place, considering how much better than EVERY other team they are.

In all seriousness, though...
The only team in the league that I have any major worry over for the course of a 7-game series is Boston. With Rondo playing as he is, we have collectively not noticed his lack of a jumper, and damned if he is in need of it yet.
GOD I hate giving props to the Celtics, I hate you for that.
Every other team is a puzzle easily solved until I am shown otherwise.

Blake Griffin is still my rookie of the year, as long as he doesn't break himself monstering everyone in front of him.
I will not yet touch the MVP.


I will go play video games now.

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I wish more PFs today try to work on playing with their back to the basket, positioning and power, and the ability to shoot the midrange jumper. Too many skinny PFs nowadays want to play like point guards with the fancy dribbling and finesse game.

I hate this new breed of PFs who prefer to play soft and develop a 3 point shot. Leave that to the small forwards and guards.

I'm talking about "PFs" who like to shoot 3 pointers like bosh, bargani, troy murphy, mehmet okur, ak47 and short PFs who are forced to play that position like jamison, rashard lewis, gerald wallace, josh smith, jeff green, lamar odom.

As for Boozer, I always thought he played inside and out. I never really watched him play, but I can't imagine a guy that big playing soft.


a team must be serious at all times in order to win despite having talent.. or else they'll just be the Denver Nuggets

if that's a problem in Miami, they better get things together. That's the problem with LBJ's and the Cavs. He messed around too much throwing chalk in the air and dancing with his teammates on the bench. save the fun time for Halloween like the Celtics.


It's sad that people don't try to be the best they can be anymore. MJ and Kobe were like that along with many other greats in the past. Guys like LBJ, D12, and i'll even BD into the conversation can dedicate time to be even better than they are, but they are always goofing off making movies and commercials.

A guy like cp3 I can respect. The Hornets talent is lacking and cp3 is great, but he is only 1 man and can only carry so much on his shoulders. I was considering Melo to be the same and I'm sure he works on his game a lot, but he is missing defensive skills, 3 point shot, and to an extent being clutch. he is also an immature fake thug and a pussy.

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Boozer is another stat-padder...
He is notorious for TAKING rebounds from teammates or yelling at them when they won't have that shit. He is underheight for his position, listing him at anything 6'9" or better is overkill, he is more like 6'8" at best.
That is why he is such a jumpshooter, he is otherwise out of position. Yes, he is physical and strong enough to bang, but would often rather not. See how he reacts to an ACTUALLY good PF. He is the one who will bully the shit out of someone with equal or even better height than him, but when matched will go to something different or completely disappear. See last year's playoffs for example, was great on the pick and roll against an overmatched (coaching wise) Denver team, but mailed it in against LA.
Then not to forget that the whole "fuck Cleveland over" bandwagon started with Boozer. As person, snake shit and improprieties have followed him since Duke.

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oh he's one of those.. the way you describe his rebounding reminds me of troy murphy in his golden state days (and probably still the same today). murphy would snatch rebounds right out of a teammate's hands.

now that you mention it.. i think i recall viewing the jazz roster not too long ago and seeing one of their players listed as 6'8'' (could have been boozer and millsap) i just never thought of boozer since he seems tall and big.

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Millsap is 6'8" too, I think.

Boozer seems bigger because he is HUGE -- his listed weight is like 260 -- but he is not exactly tall for his position.

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heat are #1 heat are #1 heat are #1 heat are #1

Phlip

Actually, they're #4 in the conference and #3 in their own division.

That is using simple mathematics and their won/loss record... If you are basing your assessment off of emotion, I should advise that the NBA does not recognize that qualifier when awarding championships.

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Tonight's scheduled games of interest...

Cavs vs. Nets in a tard fight for the bottom of the east.

Clippers vs Hornets; Rookie of the Year watch... Clippers will lose, Blake will put up another double double and Emeka Okafor will find out the hard way that he had it easy against Chris Bosh, Udonis Haslem and what remains of Zydrunas Ilgauskas the other night. That said, he will resume his normal 13 points per game persona.

Jazz vs Heat; will that hole at the PG for Miami be exposed again? Will Chris Bosh continue to not show up?

Knicks vs Bucks in a "pretending we will make the playoffs easily" matchup.

Timberwolves vs Lakers; will the Lakers take Minnesota seriously enough to avoid their first loss coming in embarrassing fashion?

I am still genuinely concerned for when (not if, when) The Lakers start taking quarters and games off. I worry for when Lamar Odom goes back to inconsistency or how much the return of Bynum will upset things considering how little he has played compared to the money he has made in spite of it...
Fucker.


Jason Whitlock makes a good point that Bosh, if he DOESN'T get it together, should be traded for a goon, lest the Miami Heat become an embarrassing failed experiment.
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With the Hawks exposed as pretenders as well, now losing 2 straight, we now have 2 undefeated teams left in the league and -- barring that thing that Lakers fans have all come to HATE about them taking place tonight -- that should not change anytime in the next week or so.

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If Spo starts Arroyo, yes. Keep Wade on it.

At the pace they're bringing him along I expect it to be January when he "shows up".

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This can't be good to have to say, we know that Wade plays a million miles an hour and has an injury history. Putting more work on him is not a good thing.
January? I am hoping that the smiley you used their indicates that you're not happy about that, lol...

Between now and January, Miami will play Phoenix, Utah, Boston and the Lakers. Three of those games will be a murderer’s row that is this coming week. On the in-between, and just following, they will face a Grizzlies team that is not terrible on paper though they happen to be in real life, and twice against a Mavericks team that is good in both.
The schedule does not get easy for them again until the beginning of December. The consequences could be DIRE if Bosh doesn’t dislodge his head from his ass and LeBron doesn’t somehow cure himself of his insatiable need of the ball (yes, he still has it in hand entirely too much).

If LeBron and D-Wade do not cure themselves of their turnover problem soon, not to mention Bosh being on a timetable FAR more accelerated than “January,” Miami can take on up to 10 more losses between now and then.

Best case scenario would be them dropping 2-3. Most realistic is 5-7ish. All things said, Atlanta will NOT continue to have a better record than them beyond next weekend, no shit. Atlanta was lucky to have a weak schedule, and as soon as they saw mid-level contenders they folded.

Again, as a Lakers fan, the only team I am worried about as an as-constructed team is Boston, with or without the O'Neals playing worth a shit.
As a Heat fan, you should worry about them too, considering that you have to play them 3 or 4 times, plus a 7-game playoff series.

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Wade is not injury prone. He can take it. Additionally, he doesn't need to be playing that role against scrub teams and play their the whole season.

At Spo for putting him in with Haslem and putting Bosh at the 5, which does not work. Also since Spo is a defensive minded coach he's continuing to focus on defense first, which is fine but that is why it will take him longer to focus on Bosh and get him where he wants him.

That's a good thing. Going against scrubs isn't going to benefit us. I love playing the Mavericks, lets just say we have history. Hehe. Oh, and no one down here considers Orlando a rival in case anyone bought into that ESPN concoction.

lol, dire. Maybe you should be working for ESPN with this panic button attitude. I'm not placing the blame on Bosh for that one. Bosh was doing great and moving along nicely the whole pre-season and first few games, the staff just moved the focus elsewhere.

What are you talking about? Where has he been hogging the ball? Lebron is the least of my worries. He's been doing everything right since Game 1, surprising as that may be to you. Remove the hater shades for a moment please.

Lebron is not turning the ball over, its Wade. I'm not worried about that, Wade will get it under control, watching him his whole career I don't have reason to believe otherwise.

Dude, I still can't believe you guys are scared of them. Look, if it happens that its Lakers/Boston again this year, Lakers in 6. Real talk.

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"Injury History" ≠ "Injury Prone"
As the season progresses, the fact remains that Wade's style of play has driven him to miss a TON of games in the past, and the fact remains that one of those was a knee injury requiring surgery. The fact remains that NBA players' knees don't magically rejuvenate, they get worse with wear. Knees that have been injured before WILL be injured again, the focus is to be on delaying the inevitable.
Yeah, Bosh at the 5 will be lunch meat.
I never did, Dwight Howard is offensively unsophisticated and defensively one-minded. Vince Carter is a scrub pretending to be a superstar, always has been. They do not have a single other player on the roster ready for the primetime, damn what Rashard Lewis is being paid.
Concern is not panic. My issue is that Bosh has ALWAYS been exactly what he is right now. He needed the touches he got in Toronto and, in such, was never as good as he pretended to be. Bosh did fine in the preseason when it was just him and LeBron and there was no pressure in games that didn't count, much like his life in Canuckistan.
Watch the games. Ball movement is quicker and more decisive when LeBron is NOT in the game, that is a fact. That is a habit that was formed from being the ONLY option for so long. If he will be played like a PG, then he should be the PG. In his life, he has never HAD to play without the ball, so he never LEARNED. I am not saying he is a "ballhog" in that he hoists a fuck-ton a shots, rather that a lot of possessions go EXTRA long when the ball goes through his hands at any point.
This results in an offense that consists of isolations and not a lot of flow. Sure, they will get it together, but the fact remains that it'd better happen sooner than later, and January is "way later"
4.71 a game is "turning the ball over," wade is less with a still-high 3.57, but has the ball in his hand a lot less and has fewer assists as a result.
I never said we wouldn't beat them, I said that they are the team that most concerns me.

I see this more or less like the fable of the tortoise and the hare... Right now, you make it seem like nothing is a problem and that it will ALL be pulled together in the end and none of the writing that has been on the wall the whole time was ever as much of a problem as it was made out to be.

We've seen how these stories have played out before, and the fact remains that the Heat are not THAT deep a team either, injury or foul trouble -- which, given momentum in basketball, can be contagious among teammates -- and you're fucked.
Sure, rest on your laurels, display that cavalier (no, not the team, but it happened to them too... twice) "we are the Heat" bravado and you wind up being made to look silly like the 2004 Lakers and 2007 Patriots. Just being there is not enough.

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couldn't agree more Phlip. but that is actually assuming that they will go deep in the playoffs.

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