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Silvette · 06-29-2011, 11:34 AM

I hate HATE hateeeeeeeee knockoffs, see here; http://zilvia.net/f/off-topic-chat/3...varrstoen.html

vas570sx · 06-29-2011, 11:44 AM

While I agree that there is nothing sexier than a set of real wheels, I cannot justify spending $2-$3k for wheels when I'm just gonna smash the car up at the track.

Touge Noob S13 · 06-29-2011, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vas570sx

While I agree that there is nothing sexier than a set of real wheels, I cannot justify spending $2-$3k for wheels when I'm just gonna smash the car up at the track.

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vas570sx · 06-29-2011, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Touge Noob S13

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let me clarify:

while looking good on the track, when that dude breaks a wheel, he's out 6-700 bucks.

if i were to bend/brake one, im out 100 + shipping..

like i said, i know it looks good, and i wish i had that kind of money to throw away, however, i feel like even if i did have the money, i wouldnt buy crazy wheels for a drift car.

for a daily? yes

for drifting? no

RB180sxChris · 06-29-2011, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JVD

I had megan coils on my S14.

They sucked asshole.

Tons of people on here will recommend them...because they don't know any better.

Poor people buy poopy parts.

lmao this is true!!!!

word sux · 06-30-2011, 07:32 PM

my buddy picked up an s13 the other day that came with brand new in the box cs sport lca's and megan outter tie rods

I actually started cracking up when I saw them. The welds on teh cs sport lca's are a fucking joke there was even a hole in the weld were a gas bubble was.. the megan racing pillow balls are a joke the "pillow balls" look like they were designed by a drunk red neck no engineering at all. they just took a cast ring put the pillow ball in then pressed in a piece of steel on both sides to hold it in place. you could barely move it with your hand no wonder they fall apart very unsafe.

We held the outters side by side with my spl parts outters and had a good laugh

word sux · 06-30-2011, 07:32 PM

oh and the car came with god speed coils that were installed in the spring and the fronts are already blown out

reds13se · 07-28-2011, 10:34 PM

Very interesting topic knowing zilvia, but i may as well add my $0.02

I for one have no problem with knock off parts because it provides a cheaper alternative to parts i may need at some point in time rather than paying an unjustifiable amount of money to get about the same product. These knockoff products also push the original manufacturer(name brand) to come up with better and more innovative parts to stand out from being meshed in with all the knock offs. That being said, There is a there is obviously a scale as to how these parts will compare against one another as far as quality. This is where buyer be ware comes in to play. Many of the name brand products go through much r&d during the production stage, some knockoff brands may do the same, however some may not. Therefore it is completely up to the buyer to do his/her own "r&d" if you will to find out which knock off brand can be trusted to have comparability in durability and workmanship while being offered at a lower price.

**For those of you who lack reading skills or have a short attention span**

In summation(cliff notes), name brands maybe the best way to go about something in most cases, however there are usually cheaper products with comparable, if not just as much reliability aimed for those on a budget who aren't in a big dick contest with others.

pandaman415 · 08-08-2011, 05:27 AM

I don't mind them.

gerson408 · 08-08-2011, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericcastro

I think people should start saying cheap parts.

And on that note, how many people are currently against the cheap parts and are tracking their cars once a month or more?
I do, so I buy cheaper parts that work. No reason to buy a Dmax carbon fiber body kit for $2000 when a $300 genaric one will work just as good.

I just dont get where the line is then??
Everything has a name on it.
and everything is a copy of existing technology that was already there.

Maybe thats why you dont hear the professional level drifters talking about "no knock offs", cause they dont give a shit and run them on their personal cars all the time.

this guy speaks the truth.

h2v7 · 08-08-2011, 09:24 PM

can someone post

the best looking / cheapest 4lug wheel to buy!?

word sux · 08-08-2011, 11:31 PM

just went to check out a dudes build and he has had to replace all his megan arms and tie rod ends after 500 miles they all have tons of play in them already.

a friend just had one of the shocks on his godspeed coils actually brake. the shaft snapped

usdm180sx · 08-09-2011, 12:52 AM

I can't do knock offs it's not in my blood

bb4_96 · 08-09-2011, 08:08 AM

I just finished cutting and rewelding a no-name ebay brand t3/t4 downpipe to fit. I checked the listing on ebay to see what manifold it's supposed to fit... It just says it has good fitment. Same with the megan ic piping... fucking terrible fitment. At least they were deals on stainless and aluminum stock since they weren't plated/chromed. Pisses me off that i had to mod shit i just bought though.

namawon · 08-11-2011, 01:57 PM

Im running 4x4 status on my hatch because id rather save up and drive with a car that looks like a rc car than, buy low quality parts.

Te37 · 06-02-2012, 12:47 PM

FUCK varstoens!

That is all.

If god would not have allowed me to have the nice tes that i have now, i can sure as hell tell you that i would have oem wheels on here...be it s14, 350z, 370z...etc wheels.

blacksmith · 06-02-2012, 01:18 PM

I just hate it when people complain about not having money for parts and then go with a low quality coil/wheel/part etc.. If you would just save for a few months you could afford nice wheels, nice coils, and nice things in general. Even on a low income.

*!Zar!* · 06-04-2012, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vas570sx

let me clarify:

while looking good on the track, when that dude breaks a wheel, he's out 6-700 bucks.

if i were to bend/brake one, im out 100 + shipping..

like i said, i know it looks good, and i wish i had that kind of money to throw away, however, i feel like even if i did have the money, i wouldnt buy crazy wheels for a drift car.

for a daily? yes

for drifting? no

Wrong, if he damaged that wheel it would only cost about $150~ to fix.

So that argument goes out the window.

*Agamemnon* · 06-05-2012, 04:12 PM

Interesting article about Knock0offs and the people who buy them.
Are women who carry fake designer handbags big trouble? | Fox News

Quote:

Dan Ariely, a Professor of Behavioral Economics at Duke University, is publishing a book entitled, “The Honest Truth About Dishonesty: How We Lie to Everyone—Including Ourselves.” In it, he reveals research he and his colleagues conducted that provides useful insights into the psychological forces which drive lying.

One of the more fascinating revelations is that women who carry fake Louis Vuitton or Tory Burch handbags or wear fake Cartier jewelry, are more likely to lie, cheat or steal than other women.

Could that really be the case? Could handing over $50 for a replica handbag that should really cost $500 or $1,000 really signal deeper moral failings? Doesn’t everyone lie sometimes?

Most of us, Ariely explains, do indeed lie, sometimes. But the research he presents includes the fact that those of us who are willing to wear our lies around our necks (e.g. fake Burberry scarves) or carry them on our arms (e.g. those fake designer bags) are especially untrustworthy.

When you think about it, that makes psychological sense. People who buy knock-offs are willing to lie on multiple levels.

First, they’re willing to cheat the companies who created the designer items—and hold the intellectual property related to them—out of money that’s legitimately due them. Because those companies not only came up with unique—sometimes iconic—designs, they invested in advertising and marketing that made their brands household names. They harnessed genuine creativity and employed lots of people to make that happen.

Second, they’re willing to lie to everyone who gets a glimpse of their fake handbags or necklaces or sunglasses and thinks that they have the style sense, or the money, to select and buy those items. They’re desperate enough for that facade of style—that mask of chic—to break the law to achieve it. And they know what they’re doing isn’t above-board. After all, the fraudulent goods they’re buying are often sold by shady street dealers or fly-by-night websites.

Third—and probably most toxic—they’re able to lie to themselves. Because they can almost forget that they’re perpetrating a bit of a scam whenever they head out with a handbag that fools people into believing they have something they don’t and are something they’re not. They have the ability to think of themselves as entirely upstanding, when they’re ripping off companies who have to report real earnings to real stockholders and make real profits—or really go out of business.

Seen this way, the folks who lie just a little by buying knock-offs sound a little less innocuous than they might, otherwise. Still, though, they aren’t Bernie Madoff—making off with billions and leaving investors bankrupt. They aren’t Clark Rockefeller—the fake Rockefeller who fooled everyone into thinking he was a member of the legendary family.

No, they aren’t. But they are very distant cousins—and there are a lot more of them, capable of doing lots of harm, when taken together. And that’s really the psychological and economic point Ariely is making: Madoff isn’t our real problem. It’s the rest of us. The millions willing to lie and cheat and steal a little add up to a bigger economic and social problem than the outliers who take duplicity to the next level.

So, next time you see the stitching on a Louis Vuitton bag and realize it doesn’t quite look like the real deal, it’s fair to conclude that the person carrying it isn’t quite the real deal, either—and act accordingly

raz0rbladez909 · 06-05-2012, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Interesting article about Knock0offs and the people who buy them.
Are women who carry fake designer handbags big trouble? | Fox News

I can't wait for the responses from this one lol

irax · 06-05-2012, 07:22 PM

wait... its faux news....

ZX88 · 06-05-2012, 07:35 PM

so yeah dont buy isis turbo lines.....

redline racer510 · 06-05-2012, 10:28 PM

If it works good I don't mind it being a knockoff and I wouldn't rock a legit set of wheels on my drift car even if I had the money to do so. When i see a car destroy a set of nice wheels it makes me cringe.

Pinggg · 06-05-2012, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZX88

so yeah dont buy isis turbo lines.....

What happen to yours?

I haven't had a problem with mine..

codyace · 06-05-2012, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZX88

so yeah dont buy isis turbo lines.....

While I never wood, why do you suggest not to? It's not like you can screw up pre crimpd lines *that bad*

Corbic · 06-06-2012, 07:50 AM

More reason to hate on knock-off buyers...

Quote:

Dan Ariely, a Professor of Behavioral Economics at Duke University, is publishing a book entitled, “The Honest Truth About Dishonesty: How We Lie to Everyone—Including Ourselves.” In it, he reveals research he and his colleagues conducted that provides useful insights into the psychological forces which drive lying.

One of the more fascinating revelations is that women who carry fake Louis Vuitton or Tory Burch handbags or wear fake Cartier jewelry, are more likely to lie, cheat or steal than other women.

Could that really be the case? Could handing over $50 for a replica handbag that should really cost $500 or $1,000 really signal deeper moral failings? Doesn’t everyone lie sometimes?

Most of us, Ariely explains, do indeed lie, sometimes. But the research he presents includes the fact that those of us who are willing to wear our lies around our necks (e.g. fake Burberry scarves) or carry them on our arms (e.g. those fake designer bags) are especially untrustworthy.

When you think about it, that makes psychological sense. People who buy knock-offs are willing to lie on multiple levels.

First, they’re willing to cheat the companies who created the designer items—and hold the intellectual property related to them—out of money that’s legitimately due them. Because those companies not only came up with unique—sometimes iconic—designs, they invested in advertising and marketing that made their brands household names. They harnessed genuine creativity and employed lots of people to make that happen.

Second, they’re willing to lie to everyone who gets a glimpse of their fake handbags or necklaces or sunglasses and thinks that they have the style sense, or the money, to select and buy those items. They’re desperate enough for that facade of style—that mask of chic—to break the law to achieve it. And they know what they’re doing isn’t above-board. After all, the fraudulent goods they’re buying are often sold by shady street dealers or fly-by-night websites.

Third—and probably most toxic—they’re able to lie to themselves. Because they can almost forget that they’re perpetrating a bit of a scam whenever they head out with a handbag that fools people into believing they have something they don’t and are something they’re not. They have the ability to think of themselves as entirely upstanding, when they’re ripping off companies who have to report real earnings to real stockholders and make real profits—or really go out of business.

Seen this way, the folks who lie just a little by buying knock-offs sound a little less innocuous than they might, otherwise. Still, though, they aren’t Bernie Madoff—making off with billions and leaving investors bankrupt. They aren’t Clark Rockefeller—the fake Rockefeller who fooled everyone into thinking he was a member of the legendary family.

No, they aren’t. But they are very distant cousins—and there are a lot more of them, capable of doing lots of harm, when taken together. And that’s really the psychological and economic point Ariely is making: Madoff isn’t our real problem. It’s the rest of us. The millions willing to lie and cheat and steal a little add up to a bigger economic and social problem than the outliers who take duplicity to the next level.

So, next time you see the stitching on a Louis Vuitton bag and realize it doesn’t quite look like the real deal, it’s fair to conclude that the person carrying it isn’t quite the real deal, either—and act accordingly.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/...#ixzz1x0pZtrKL

*fliprayzin240sx* · 06-06-2012, 09:38 PM

WTF? Did you even read 8 posts above you???

Scionide · 06-11-2012, 11:28 AM

My take on knock offs is simple. If you are building a track rat s13 that you just want to be functional then they are fine. If you are wanting some different wheels for a daily, then by all means go cheap. I have had a cheap set of wheels on my tC for 4 years, everyone of them is bent curbed or beginning to show corrosion. I could care less about putting a set of XD9's on it, because daily. Now with that being said. A friend of mine just bought a Mk4 and said to me, "Im thinking about buying a CX Racing radiator for it." I had to refrain from hitting him. I guess my point is, if you are dealing with a high end build or a chassis worthy of spending rediculous amounts of money on, then by all means spend the money on the legit stuff, I know I will.

deolio · 06-11-2012, 05:47 PM

the way that people justify buying knockoffs is bullshit. just admit you're cheap.

i am cheap... some times.

TougeLove · 06-11-2012, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deolio

the way that people justify buying knockoffs is bullshit. just admit you're cheap.

i am cheap... some times.

im cheap, but im also not stupid. a good investment is in suspension, engine, brakes, rims (to a certain degree).

a bad investment is spending 1,200 on a authentic vertex kit that may get smashed up. or 2,000 on a pair of volks that you run into the wall.

all these "fake" wheels people keep bringing up still have to pass JWL VIA standards. same as volk, work, etc. YES volk may go beyond the standard, but im pretty sure the standard is safe enough

06-29-2011, 11:44 AM	#122
vas570sx Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: west palm beach Posts: 844 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	While I agree that there is nothing sexier than a set of real wheels, I cannot justify spending $2-$3k for wheels when I'm just gonna smash the car up at the track. __________________

08-09-2011, 12:52 AM	#133
usdm180sx Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: 562 Posts: 4,807 Trader Rating: (5) Rides Gallery: usdm180sx Feedback Score: 5 reviews	I can't do knock offs it's not in my blood __________________ -Norm!

08-11-2011, 01:57 PM	#135
namawon Zilvia Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Psl, Florida Age: 29 Posts: 161 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Im running 4x4 status on my hatch because id rather save up and drive with a car that looks like a rc car than, buy low quality parts. __________________ I'd walk a thousand miles with a broken spine before i'd change my mind.

06-02-2012, 01:18 PM	#137
blacksmith Leaky Injector Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: www.metalpolishpro.com Age: 35 Posts: 54 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I just hate it when people complain about not having money for parts and then go with a low quality coil/wheel/part etc.. If you would just save for a few months you could afford nice wheels, nice coils, and nice things in general. Even on a low income. __________________ www.metalpolishpro.com

06-05-2012, 07:22 PM	#141
irax Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Diego Age: 37 Posts: 4,248 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	wait... its faux news.... __________________ Drives a BRZ and is building a V6 S12 coupe.

06-29-2011, 11:34 AM	#121
Silvette Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The OC Age: 36 Posts: 248 Trader Rating: (5) Feedback Score: 5 reviews	I hate HATE hateeeeeeeee knockoffs, see here; http://zilvia.net/f/off-topic-chat/3...varrstoen.html

06-30-2011, 07:32 PM	#126
word sux Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: earth Age: 59 Posts: 1,138 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	my buddy picked up an s13 the other day that came with brand new in the box cs sport lca's and megan outter tie rods I actually started cracking up when I saw them. The welds on teh cs sport lca's are a fucking joke there was even a hole in the weld were a gas bubble was.. the megan racing pillow balls are a joke the "pillow balls" look like they were designed by a drunk red neck no engineering at all. they just took a cast ring put the pillow ball in then pressed in a piece of steel on both sides to hold it in place. you could barely move it with your hand no wonder they fall apart very unsafe. We held the outters side by side with my spl parts outters and had a good laugh

06-30-2011, 07:32 PM	#127
word sux Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: earth Age: 59 Posts: 1,138 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	oh and the car came with god speed coils that were installed in the spring and the fronts are already blown out

07-28-2011, 10:34 PM	#128
reds13se Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Fayetteville, NC Age: 29 Posts: 87 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Very interesting topic knowing zilvia, but i may as well add my $0.02 I for one have no problem with knock off parts because it provides a cheaper alternative to parts i may need at some point in time rather than paying an unjustifiable amount of money to get about the same product. These knockoff products also push the original manufacturer(name brand) to come up with better and more innovative parts to stand out from being meshed in with all the knock offs. That being said, There is a there is obviously a scale as to how these parts will compare against one another as far as quality. This is where buyer be ware comes in to play. Many of the name brand products go through much r&d during the production stage, some knockoff brands may do the same, however some may not. Therefore it is completely up to the buyer to do his/her own "r&d" if you will to find out which knock off brand can be trusted to have comparability in durability and workmanship while being offered at a lower price. For those of you who lack reading skills or have a short attention span In summation(cliff notes), name brands maybe the best way to go about something in most cases, however there are usually cheaper products with comparable, if not just as much reliability aimed for those on a budget who aren't in a big dick contest with others.

08-08-2011, 05:27 AM	#129
pandaman415 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: 626 Posts: 399 Trader Rating: (9) Feedback Score: 9 reviews	I don't mind them.

08-08-2011, 09:24 PM	#131
h2v7 Nissanaholic! Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: san francisco, ohio Posts: 2,194 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	can someone post the best looking / cheapest 4lug wheel to buy!?

08-08-2011, 11:31 PM	#132
word sux Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: earth Age: 59 Posts: 1,138 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	just went to check out a dudes build and he has had to replace all his megan arms and tie rod ends after 500 miles they all have tons of play in them already. a friend just had one of the shocks on his godspeed coils actually brake. the shaft snapped

08-09-2011, 08:08 AM	#134
bb4_96 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Under my car Posts: 785 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	I just finished cutting and rewelding a no-name ebay brand t3/t4 downpipe to fit. I checked the listing on ebay to see what manifold it's supposed to fit... It just says it has good fitment. Same with the megan ic piping... fucking terrible fitment. At least they were deals on stainless and aluminum stock since they weren't plated/chromed. Pisses me off that i had to mod shit i just bought though.

06-02-2012, 12:47 PM	#136
Te37 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Atlanta Age: 29 Posts: 618 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	FUCK varstoens! That is all. If god would not have allowed me to have the nice tes that i have now, i can sure as hell tell you that i would have oem wheels on here...be it s14, 350z, 370z...etc wheels.

06-05-2012, 07:35 PM	#142
ZX88 Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: ATX Age: 32 Posts: 2,946 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	so yeah dont buy isis turbo lines..... __________________ SNOW PANTS OR NO PANTS.

06-05-2012, 10:28 PM	#143
redline racer510 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: EARFF(earth for you idiots) Posts: 1,072 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	If it works good I don't mind it being a knockoff and I wouldn't rock a legit set of wheels on my drift car even if I had the money to do so. When i see a car destroy a set of nice wheels it makes me cringe. __________________ WARNING: User has a low tolerance for stupidity. Post at your own risk.

06-06-2012, 09:38 PM	#147
fliprayzin240sx Man w/ CTSV & a Car Seat Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Tampa Posts: 17,998 Trader Rating: (19) Rides Gallery: fliprayzin240sx Feedback Score: 19 reviews	WTF? Did you even read 8 posts above you??? __________________ If you think Zilvia has too many assholes... CLICK HERE!!!

06-11-2012, 11:28 AM	#148
Scionide Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Franklin, TN Age: 30 Posts: 29 Trader Rating: (2) Feedback Score: 2 reviews	My take on knock offs is simple. If you are building a track rat s13 that you just want to be functional then they are fine. If you are wanting some different wheels for a daily, then by all means go cheap. I have had a cheap set of wheels on my tC for 4 years, everyone of them is bent curbed or beginning to show corrosion. I could care less about putting a set of XD9's on it, because daily. Now with that being said. A friend of mine just bought a Mk4 and said to me, "Im thinking about buying a CX Racing radiator for it." I had to refrain from hitting him. I guess my point is, if you are dealing with a high end build or a chassis worthy of spending rediculous amounts of money on, then by all means spend the money on the legit stuff, I know I will.

06-11-2012, 05:47 PM	#149
deolio Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sacramento, CA Age: 32 Posts: 4,573 Trader Rating: (13) Rides Gallery: deolio Feedback Score: 13 reviews	the way that people justify buying knockoffs is bullshit. just admit you're cheap. i am cheap... some times. __________________

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