MoReRyCe

that was me in the White evo that hit the Yellow s2k....

I did all the proper things that could have been done.. you can ask any and all the instructors and so on that were there on track.. rumors were going on that im a stupid driver.. lol.. so funny.. but theres alot more to it than that..

atleast im ok... first accident in 5 years and ifrst accident on a track ever... lol so crazy... never had the airbags go off.. but atleast everyone is ok.. and yes i do agree.. definetly certain people did not belong in the advanced group.. and it was very chaotic out there wayyy too many cars...

Paul ill see you out there at the private event... with the other evo.. peace!

PS: ill post wut happened shortly...

MoReRyCe

Was going through a long left hander in the rear then through a slight left then i had to slow down as i approched magic mountain with a yellow flag... i let off befroe getting there and got to the top and noticed there was a giant dust cloud.. i figured a car had under steered into the dirt.. the car infront of me goes right through the middle of it then i proceed to go into the cloud as far away from the left side as possible.. ( Figuring he had gone into the dirt from under steering since thats where the dust cloud came from..) went into the cloud at maybe about 25-30mph in about 20ft of 0 visibility i see a wheel of a car just sitting perpendicular to me just blocking the way i was going..... i try to adjust but the split second was too fast... instead of directly t-boning him i manage to hit his rear wheel with quater panel and i hit my passenger's side front.. airbags go off.. car behind me was on my tail and managed to go into the dirt to avoid hitting me.. which im glad for..

and thats my side of what happened...

Paul2x

LOL Just like Cole Trickle and Rowdie Burns!

Seriously though,
If it happened to you, it could have happen to anyone.

MC is one of the best/fastest Drivers I know out their,and does more events than most of us combined. If anyone has seat time, it's this guy.

Only so much u can do, Shi*t happens

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mehsilvia

Definately tragic, and thank you for providing your side of the story.

Our "Come to Jesus" drivers meeting we had was definately a bit passionate and therfore sided on the "stupid driver" deal.

Thanks again for being man enough to share with us.

Glad to hear no serious injuries.

MomentumGT

We're running at 2750lbs. with driver and half a tank with max hp at 312whp and 255 DOT R/RA1's all the way around. There are other rules that limit your hp levels such as side skirts, body kit, solid suspension links, etc...its mess I had to have somebody calculate everything for me as I was getting the solution of 340whp. lol. The car actually only puts down 260hp so we're far from the limit. Hope to see you out there.

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MoReRyCe

thanx man... btw... i saw your car at horse theif mile a while back at the SRT event.. i was in the white evo with black wing and jdm rear bumper.. it was my frist time there and i followed you for a few laps.. fun stuff.

mehsilvia

LOL, id never think to ask all you damn S2000 & Evo drivers if your on ZILVIA!!!!! There's a ton of you on here

Thats awesome. I do remember you, and another Evo out there on track. It was my first time at HTM as well. Alot of fun running with you out there.

MoReRyCe

lol yea i used to have an s13 and 14...

tacotacotaco

Its cool that you came here

i figured a car had under steered into the dirt.. the car infront of me goes right through the middle of it then i proceed to go into the cloud as far away from the left side as possible..

Figuring he had gone into the dirt from under steering since thats where the dust cloud came from..

I think thats the mistake right there but like its said shit happens hope everyone can get their cars back up for another event

steve shadows

figuring is failing in my book

if you see yellow slow way down.

There were a lot of guys out there racing the sand.

No one was being timed and they were hauling ass right past yellows all day long.

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Daryl

Whatup AJ! The S2 is taking a break from the track until it gets new coilovers. I'm starting to lose interest tracking the car - need SRC's or Motons! How's your ride doing?

brokeAs240sx

So when things like this happen, everyone's just responsible for their own damages?

What about ppl contacting other ppl's cars?

Was there car contact in every group? or just the intermediate-fast+ ones?

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tacotacotaco

I wish stusa would release an official statement because from the meeting they labeled the white evo as an idiot blowing by the yellow flags.
It doesnt matter how much seat time anyone has if they still can't run a regular track day safely. I know everyone is out there to go fast and learn. Maybe this is something that would be more expected from the lower groups but i think a driver in advanced figuring is just being stupid.

MomentumGT

Yes sir. You take care of your own damages no matter who's at fault...so I've been lead to believe.

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tacotacotaco

yeah when your on track your basically on your own. In hpde events there shouldnt really be any type of contact let alone a full on slam since its just running the track not racing.
If its racing then yeah sure thats a risk you run.
Im sure if you rear ended someone goin into pits or hit a parked car exiting from just being an idiot and not paying attention then it would be honorable to help with the damages.

MoReRyCe

yea that whole part about figureing was my mistake.. but i did slow down from 70 mph to 25 mph... thats a big slow down..... i didnt want to get rear ended by the bmw behind me so thats why i didnt come to a complaete hault .. although yes the meeting they had was very stupid.. i even talked to the old guy and he said that he was sorry for labeling me like that... tommy ( owner of stusa) was out there talking to us and telling the s2k driving that he took the wrong line and so on... but again.. its everyone who was invloved's fault.. and all we can do is learn.. and there was only one yellow flag.. it was at magic mountain... i was told by almost all of the intructors that they would have done the same... the only one that told me something different said that when i go through a corner and something is happening.. never look in your rear view mirror... its always about what is ahead... and i will definetly take that into consideration next time...

but if anyone has anything to say to me or any questions feel free to PM me ill answer back be it good or bad.. i dont mind.. learning is listenning..!

thanx guys

MoReRyCe

i will talk to tommy from stusa and see if it is possible for that to be done..

Jung918

How many yellow flags do you need?

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Lost Hill is such a common place to eat crap...

For those who haven't been on the course it's a high 3rd gear right with an elevation change... It's blind going over the apex of the turn...
So you can't see what's going on on the other side until you are already half way through the turn...

Even though it sucks and whoever is at fault doesn't matter... I don't expect that to happen in the Advanced group...
I think that there were so many people who wanted to sign up for intermediate but ended up registering for advanced because there was no room in any other group... Maybe STUSA should open another intermediate group...

Or use lap times to move people from one run group to another... So cars that run similar lap times will run with each other...

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steve shadows

You can only make the track so safe without detracting from the experience.

I personally loved stusa, it was a basic immersion course in driving hard. Some of the cars even in intermediate class were just far too slow.

I was wary of passing some people in my group because they seemed totally unaware that I was even trying to pass. They just wanted to cruise around the track taking in the damn scenery.

If you wanted to just "learn" I think beginner would have been the group for that.

Ill admit some of my indecisiveness early in the day in passing got a miata behind me pretty peeved, I did let several slower cars pass in the first two sessions and had sloppy lines but it was my first track event at bwillow. after Lunch I was rock solid, had a lot of fun chasing down the g35s and passing one of them at 'drag strip' before mazda star a couple times.

Next time I go I'm planning on fast intermediate. Might not be until Feb-March though with funds.

I still had a blast and I appreciated the chaos of it all

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ESCALVANTE

YuCa: I'm the owner of the red S2000 and yes my fenders are pulled and flared all around.

Daryl: I was thinking that not having timing would be a common gripe but DAMN!! Car to car contact???
Anyhow, not having timing would just require that we get our own timing devices... more money to spend.
How did Nitin's car compare to your car? The reason I ask is to compare times considering you are hitting 2:05's. I figure if Nitin was at least hanging with you, he must have been getting faster around that track.

Nitin: How did the car feel with the shorter gear ratios???

What alignment specs are you guys running?

MoReRyCe

yellow flags dont mean hault and stop.. i slowed down of the throttle and even on the brakes.. i knew something had happened and i proceeded with as much caution as i could think of in 5 seconds of seeing the flag.. if it was a red flag i would have come to a stop as safely as i could but it was a waving yellow like many that day...


Flag: Yellow Flag
Signal: Caution


It tells drivers to slow down and hold current positions until further notice. The yellow flag indicates that there has been an accident, track has been partially blocked or unsafe. The yellow flag will remain out until the officials have determined that it is safe to continue the race.

tacotacotaco

when i see a yellow flag that means theres danger and lookout for a potential accident. slow down enough to control your self incase shits on the track blocking you. I guess this can go on until an official statement from the instructors who saw what happened. In that case maybe we should ignore yellow flags since they were just waving em all day from people spinning out after all most of the time they spin off the track or theyre just dippin tires into the dirt off turns. Problem is that your in the mindset that your disregarding and figuring since theres been false alarms all day. Track events like these are designed to be safe and the moment i see a yellow flag i wanna know that no matter what i wanna be able to not come blind around somewhere and risk my car or put any kind of FIGURING into my decision. I dont wanna be an ass but there are no real excuses that you could come up with to hit a car at an HPDE event. i spun out in a turn with cars following close to me to actually look into my eyes and they didnt even need a yellow flag to know that we can hit, you at least had a yellow flag for 5 seconds so sucks you had to come blind over that hill figure they dipped some tires off the road, Think the yellow flag was a bullshit call because theyve been waving them all day figure other cars are doin so why not you and shit lemme drive through a blind dust cloud.

And this is the last youll hear from me posting about the contact in this thread.

Daryl

Sal, too bad you couldn't make it. Sorry to hear about the car. There was suppose to be timing that day but they decided not to rent them out.
I haven't had a chance to upload my videos yet but I know Nit has a video where we ran into each other.

MoReRyCe

hey i completely understand where you are coming from but i dont know where you are getting the idea that i was ignoring flags... if i was ignoring the flag i would have hit the car at 60mph not 25....

and i do beleive atleast 95% of the people i know would have done the same thing i did.. so im sorry if you misunderstand what happened but you werent there...

ESCALVANTE

It did suck but my car is ready now. In fact, I am trying to get my car ready for the next track event with some more parts. I just sourced a real good deal on a seat and if those rails are still available, I'll pick them up ASAP. I just need to source is an FX70RR and I'll be good ...an ASM bumper would be nice too.
Have you decided on which coilovers to go with?

kognition

Damn i want to see some exciting video bufoonery now!
These pics look like it was musical cars out there!

ESCALVANTE

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MoReRyCe

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQjHk6Z5xCc[/ame]

good example of the dust and how it can happen to anyone...

steve shadows

look.

Maybe I am not "el hardcoro road racer" but in an event that is NOT BEING TIMED and is simply a track day, if you see dust or dirt slow way down?

Your trying to validate the idea of racing through a completely blind situation by giving an example of some other driver who fucked up on the same course?

Me and Nittin were in the car trailing you guys, we could see the dust flying up from 2 turns back! and we crested the hill after the yellow at 15 mph seeing the flag and rolled past you guys at less than 5. We were only 4 cars back too. There is no excuse for racing through a blind zone unless you honestly did not see the yellow, that would make a lot more sense.


Either way I hope you the best, it's a shitty situation for everybody involved. Ive crashed cars on the street enough to know what I was doing was not safe or out of my normal driving habbits so I learned from it. There has to be something that you take away from this situation instead of beliveing it HAD to happen.

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