Corbic

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Breivik took years to plan out his attack. He spent about € 317,000 with nine credit cards for the attack, started planning for it in 2002, set up a fake geofarm company in 2009, acquired illegal weapons in Prague due to being denied service in the Norwegian military due to being declared mentally unfit in the same year, wrote a thousand page manifesto explaining his plan, and prepared and tested his bomb in the Norwegian wilderness after buying a farm a month before his attack.

The asshole here in Connecticut stole the guns from his mom to carrying out his terrorist attack, and had no fucking motive at all.

That's what separates our mass murderers from the Breiviks of the world, the Breiviks take years and are rare.

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Homicide - Firearms Research - Harvard Injury Control Research Center - Harvard School of Public Health

1. Where there are more guns there is more homicide (literature review).

Our review of the academic literature found that a broad array of evidence indicates that gun availability is a risk factor for homicide, both in the United States and across high-income countries. Case-control studies, ecological time-series and cross-sectional studies indicate that in homes, cities, states and regions in the US, where there are more guns, both men and women are at higher risk for homicide, particularly firearm homicide.

Hepburn, Lisa; Hemenway, David. Firearm availability and homicide: A review of the literature. Aggression and Violent Behavior: A Review Journal. 2004; 9:417-40.


2. Across high-income nations, more guns = more homicide.

We analyzed the relationship between homicide and gun availability using data from 26 developed countries from the early 1990s. We found that across developed countries, where guns are more available, there are more homicides. These results often hold even when the United States is excluded.

Hemenway, David; Miller, Matthew. Firearm availability and homicide rates across 26 high income countries. Journal of Trauma. 2000; 49:985-88.


3. Across states, more guns = more homicide

Using a validated proxy for firearm ownership, we analyzed the relationship between firearm availability and homicide across 50 states over a ten year period (1988-1997).

After controlling for poverty and urbanization, for every age group, people in states with many guns have elevated rates of homicide, particularly firearm homicide.

Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah; Hemenway, David. Household firearm ownership levels and homicide rates across U.S. regions and states, 1988-1997. American Journal of Public Health. 2002: 92:1988-1993.


4. Across states, more guns = more homicide (2)

Using survey data on rates of household gun ownership, we examined the association between gun availability and homicide across states, 2001-2003. We found that states with higher levels of household gun ownership had higher rates of firearm homicide and overall homicide. This relationship held for both genders and all age groups, after accounting for rates of aggravated assault, robbery, unemployment, urbanization, alcohol consumption, and resource deprivation (e.g., poverty). There was no association between gun prevalence and non-firearm homicide.

Corbic

Yes, cause Harvard does not have a horse in that race. ...

http://thecollegefix.mobify.me/post/11918

Corbic

You make the idiotic assumption that " crazy" people can't plan, plot and wait.

Why are you so sure this kid just "snapped" and that had he needed to wait s few days or actually seek out a weapon his homicidal motives would have wained and everything would have been fine. As your norweign shows, when people have these thoughts they become obsessed and spend years plotting and planning. They make videos, journals, post online and often are giving off plenty of warning.

Colorado Shooter had piles of journals and was in therapy.

Colobine kids made videos and had been in trouble

Arizona shooter was expelled from school because the facility felt he was unsafe.

The Norwegian, as you said, can't even join the military in a country where everyone must serve....


Nobody did anything.

The list goes on and on. Crazy is crazy. ..whether they are eating hookers cuz m mom didn't love them, crashing planes because God's will, drowning babies because the Devils in them, or shooting up a school cause fuck knows why... They are crazy and with out intervention the homicidal thoughts will just grow until they do something like this. ...


Why kids? Cause he was fucking crazy. ..

EnemyS15

I'm too lazy to do the follow up researching, but murder- suicides almost always have a motive. A leading FBI criminal behaviorist did the research and was featured on a show, on investigation disc channel, concerning the different types of murderers, including murder-suicides.

This nut job probably had an issue with mom and decided the best way to get back at mom. Was to cause pain and suffering to her by killing her and then going to her job and killing those innocent kids.

BOROSUN

crazies/murderers have a chemical imbalance and different brain patterns that can be spotted.

we need to start pushing technology in mobile health. maybe a portable brain pattern analyzer with a app to a mobile phone. then this data you will be able to crossmatch your brain pattern worldwide with others health or analyzed with a expert. with this app could also spot the crazies and they can be monitored closely.

Mobile Health Apps Under the Regulatory Microscope: The California Report | The California Report

example: the mother got a portable analyzer and submit her and son's pattern on the mobile app. days later she got a text concerning about her son's brain abnormal activity, actively crossmatching of a murderer and monitor him closely. she decides to lock up her weapons and kept a eye on him. maybe spend more time on him.

i say thats one step closer for preventive action rather than taking aways our guns.

1on1

This is really effed up:

Conn. school victims shot by rifle multiple times - Yahoo! News

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Bmxer300zx

I think you should watch minority report lol

Bmxer300zx

All i can say is ban guns, see what happens a crazy fuck will kill one way or another.
If someone thinks this was a spur of the moment thing and relized a weapon was in the house and sid "hmmm thank god for this gun cause i wouldn't be able to hurt people today" is retarded.
this kid obviously had thoughts of this before and was a sick twisted fuck.
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But ya banning guns will stop people from killing each other or innocent people. Makes alota fucking sense.
Lets leave the school shooting aside, lets look at the batman shooting what if someone in that crowd had a carry permit? got one clear shoot to that fuckers head, think it'd go the same?

Pactin

This was a really sickening event. I feel I can barely empathize those families, living with a gradeschooler myself. Thoughts and prayers go out to those affected.

Sorry, but your first sentence is contradicting itself...

I really tried my best to stay out of this topic, but to no avail. From what the news/internet is reporting, looks like people are at the Whitehouse with their "pitchforks".

On another note, was there any information regarding how the kid got ahold of the guns? I know they were his mother's, but were the guns not locked/in a safe/hidden/secured? or is the media simply jumping straight to "ban-mentality"?

Corbic

Here is a solution - why not just arm the teachers?

With school violence seemingly on the rise for the last 20 years, wouldn't that make the most sense?

I'm not even talking about the snub-nose in the desk, I'm talking straight up Isreali style with 4-10 teachers being trained, certified and approved to walk the halls and teach clases with a AR15 or Shotgun slung behind their back.


Have full rigorous LEO/Military training course that they have to complete every 3 summers, a points card showing they are keeping up on training, both weapon safety, situational response, threat assessment, CPR ect. Mandate schools are required to have 5% of their staff certified and open caring and this shit would end.

Rather then sacrificing themselves as human shields, cowering under desks or locking themselves in closets with scared students, they would actually be able to do something.

Welcome to Israel.









This irrational fear of guns is at medieval dogma levels in this country. They are tools. People need to work on solving the issue about the users and the device. Its like coming up with the mission statement of "we need to make cars safer because to many people are dying in drunk driving accidents". Media blitz mass shootings are going to happen every 6 months - finding ways to prevent this and deal with it when it happens is what needs to be focused on.

Bmxer300zx

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It was sarcasm.
point is banning guns won't solve anything. There will always be a way to get them, same as drugs or any other illegal matter.

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Despite militarized society, Israel has strict gun laws | JTA - Jewish & Israel News

Corbic do you even read the sources you link?

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Mythbusting: Israel and Switzerland are not gun-toting utopias

Mythbusting: Israel and Switzerland are not gun-toting utopias

Bmxer300zx

Corbic
it is a good point or have a officer at a school in the entry way, bet people would think twice of walking in guns blazing.
Why i said if someone at the batman shooting had a carry permit would've been different same as the mall one luckily that didn't go as he planned and the sound of officers changed the scenario.
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Why ban guns? so when a criminal comes into your home you a defenseless? Oh right 911 that'll stop him from shooting you.
All banning a gun will do is make us more defenseless againts an attacker/killer it will solve nothing.If a criminal wants a gun will be as easy as getting crack and a hooker on the corner.

Bmxer300zx

Also have you se security tapes oversea's of england police getting attacked by children with bats and rocks? and they turn and run cause they have no defense over them? of rocks.....

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How dare the police not have to ability to be tyrannical.


Yes, the "only if there were more guns there will be less gun violence" argument . Show me the studies?

Corbic

WTF are you trying to say? At no point did I say Israel was a free-for-all open cary State. Also you prove my very point. Israel has super strict gun laws, and is even running a full blown embargo/blockade on Palestine - yet violence is still an every day part of life.

Once again, re-read my post. I'm proposing teachers be trained and sanctioned to carry issued weapons in schools - just like young high school graduates are drafted, trained and sanctioned to carry weapons in their communities in Israel. I'm not advocated in anyway this will reduce violence in schools - but it will mean our kids, families and loved ones would actually have a fighting chance, just like a IDF recuite with a TAVOR is not going to stop the war on Israel, they at least give them a fighting chance.

Corbic

Please show me where I said either place was a gun toting utopia. I'm under no delusion of what life is like in Israel or where these pictures come from. I doubt you have even been to Europe, let alone Israel.

Bmxer300zx

studies?
I never said make more guns your twisting words now
Alota times people who have a permit to carry don't because of the hassle
I'm a firm believer in making it harder to carry, yes anyone with any criminal, mental, abusive background shouldnt be allowed. Anyone with a dwi or possesion of narcotics/drugs shouldn't and more. Those are all signs of irresposible person.
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I'm from maine when i move back i plan on getting a gun for my own personal use such as
firing range/ home protection/concealed i don't want my privalage and constitutional right tooken away due to some idiot sicko.

Corbic

I went to a HS of 3,000 students with over a dozen entrances - one officer could not possibly cover every conceivable entrance or the entire property. Having 12 of them would simply be impractical, then lets not forget about all of our feeder grade schools. Our policing staff for the county would need to add an extra 100 - 200 officers.

That is just not possible and irrational.

There is no reason you could not train an college graduated (teaching requirement) adult how to properly use a fire & maintain a firearm and respond to a hostile situation.

You'd be surprised how "little" training police officers and those kids in the IDF actually receive -

Bmxer300zx

I wana see what type of person you are 1 88 U
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If a man on security tape walks up to a family in a parking lot pulls out a weapon of any kind, knife, gun, pen, sword, rock , stick or i dont care and kills a member of the family ON TAPE 100% GUILTY
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Do you think the death penalty is "inhumane"?

Corbic

Already in effect nation wide, has been for +30 years.

Oh, but how do I know if you have a history of mental illness, thoughts of homicide or have or been abused in the past?


While a DUI is not a felony conviction - thus it won't negate from possession of a fire arm, it's also a "criminal record" which will negate your ability to get a CCW permit.

Usage, addiction, or criminal history of narcotics does negate ones ability to own a firearm and CCW - but once again, if you have never been convicted of cocaine possession - how do I know that?

No shit - the problem is, how does a gun store, or the State Police department know these things when you are buying a firearm or apply for a CCW? Data shows that CCW holders are some of the most law abiding citizens in this country - no surprise considering the background checks needed.

However, is the plan to start a "mental disorder" network for LEOs, Gun-stores ect to tap into? With 30-50% of the country suffering from some sort of mental disorder, 35% on mental-health medication and a continuing campaign against the stigmatism of mental-diseases, telling people if they try to get help will instantly label them for life is rather counter productive.

Corbic

Of course, its societies fault - he just needed love and understanding.

Bmxer300zx

understandable, but some schools have metal detectors and officers at them now not saying 1 cop to every 20kids but if there had been only one officer or security officer there could have changed everything. maybe the kid would've decided againts it, or not hard to say i just don't think banning guns will help.
Also to ban all guns is an enormous task there are so many in circulation its rediculous all you'd do is take guns from those who can protect and leave them in the hands of criminals/killers to have.

Bmxer300zx

Yes if someone wants a permit i think they should be able to open an record that shows you may have mental illness, therapy, mass depression or anything leading to something saying you are unstable.
now that still doesn't help the ones that just snap but i'm sorry you need to understand if a criminl wants a gun he WILL get one regardless of it being legal or not. Like i said give me 10mins in the city and i'll get you crack Wow so hard to do
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Maybe it's where people are raised i was brought up around guns and have respect for them and what they can do.

Bmxer300zx

your right we should feed him, bathe him, give him breaks to go play outside and maybe after 50yrs and hundreds and thousands of dollars he will see what he did wrong.
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I am against the capital punishment. I am a responsible gun owner. I am open to discuss meaningful gun control. I do not believe in a total gun ban.

Corbic

Seeing we can't shut the boarders down to stop drugs and terrorists - I doubt we'll be able to stop them from traffic guns as well. Street prices will just go up but you'll still be able to get them in every city.


Ban them and people will start to make them underground -just like meth. It's not that complicated, anyone with some hand tools and a Home Depot could make a zip gun. Get a drill press and access to a lathe and you'll have military grade hardware in no time. A Highschool Shop class can turn out AKs.

Full Auto Zip-Gun from Northern Ireland. Guns are illegal there but you'd know no it from the history of violence and murder.



From Russia, scratch built guns








Underground factory in the Philippines building illegal weapons - military grade.