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spooled240 · 09-20-2016, 06:17 PM

I wouldn't mess with a GE block. You can get vvti GTE's for $2k and that already comes with the FFIM, oil squirters, bulletproof internals and the Aristo A350 trans that you could sell for a couple hundred.

s13_st · 09-20-2016, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Corbic

Are you like 16?

I don't think you've ever swapped anything. If you had, you'd understand how silly you sound.

You are seriously rebuilding the POS C16 turbos? Why? They are garbage. You don't need a twin disk, ECU, FMIC, exhaust or anything to run those chokers.

You are looking at all of this backwards.
Also, fuck the 1JZ.

Proper Build-

Start with a USDM VVT-i 2JZ for $500
The VVT-i is worth 50hp once tuned.

Now all your parts and specs will be easy to acquire. Have a custom turbo manifold built for $1,200-$1,500. Modify your stock intake, get some turbo valve covers.

Now buy the Collins adapter and clutch setup. It's like $1,600 and comes with a clutch. Have a 1pc shaft made at your local. Now you can run a CD009 for $500. It's stronger, cheaper and better shifting then a R154 and a W58 is a pile of shit.

If your gonna build, use Manley Pro H-beams.

Best to use a cam driven mechanical fuel pump and FIC injectors.

Run a MS3 Pro for a stand alone. Or AEM if your a dork.

My friends 2JZ build is coming along nicely. Entire swap he'll be about $10k deep and making 1k WHP with billet main caps. He is doing all the fab work and assembly himself.

If you are going to keep the stock turbos or run a W58, save your time and money. You'll struggle to get past 350whp.

Just swap a RB25 or 5.3/LS1/ Ford 302.

Jason made 390whp on his stock block RB25 before saying fuck it and going 2JZ. He had maybe $5k into that swap. But once again, he did all the wiring and fab and used a Z32 ECU.

All I did was read several different writeups and walkthroughs to do the jz swap. And other tips for some of its weak points. So don't shoot the messenger. You are entitled to think w/e you want, I won't argue with you. If you have more experience then hats off to you. Not running an intercooler with a car that has FI is silly to me. But thanks for taking the time for posting.

Corbic · 09-20-2016, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by s13_st

All I did was read several different writeups and walkthroughs to do the jz swap. And other tips for some of its weak points. So don't shoot the messenger. You are entitled to think w/e you want, I won't argue with you. If you have more experience then hats off to you. Not running an intercooler with a car that has FI is silly to me. But thanks for taking the time for posting.

Who said that? I said FMIC.

They come with a stock SMIC. Just have that rebuilt....

rawgarage · 09-22-2016, 02:26 AM

Hahahahahhah

tricky_ab · 09-22-2016, 08:11 AM

...I sure do miss cheaper SR parts...

Corbic · 09-22-2016, 08:17 AM

OP ran off and is hiding from his shame.

inopsey · 09-22-2016, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Corbic

Also, fuck the 1JZ.

whats wrong with the 1jz

smoked240 · 09-22-2016, 03:07 PM

Rb25 swap down to a 1pcs driveshaft and a stage 2 clutch for 5k

Corbic · 09-22-2016, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by inopsey

whats wrong with the 1jz

What is right with it?

It's the RB20 of the JZ world.

You are talking about saving like $300 to have an inferior engine.

tuzzio · 09-22-2016, 03:39 PM

If youre 20K deep into a JZ swap it better be making some serious numbers.

An auto 2jz swap is 2K.

I could see $10K being a much more realistic number for a reasonably modded jz

Corbic · 09-22-2016, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by tuzzio

If youre 20K deep into a JZ swap it better be making some serious numbers.

An auto 2jz swap is 2K.

I could see $10K being a much more realistic number for a reasonably modded jz

$6-10k is the number.

Engine and Trans maybe cheap, but everything else will nickel and dime you.

simmode1 · 09-22-2016, 04:28 PM

At $20k, just buy a fucking Supra or some equivalent.

Dafuq is wrong with you?

Corbic · 09-22-2016, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by simmode1

At $20k, just buy a fucking Supra or some equivalent.

Dafuq is wrong with you?

But it won't have rebuilt C16 turbos!

Also, a TT Supra is more like $40k these days.

inopsey · 09-22-2016, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Corbic

What is right with it?

It's the RB20 of the JZ world.

You are talking about saving like $300 to have an inferior engine.

maybe the 2jz is superior for lag and not torque

1jz thread making full torque around 3k rpm 300 whp on a real dyno

http://zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=500787

2jz making about 400 hp on a number jet dyno (about the same whp as on e real dyno dynamics dyno) full torque at about 5200 rpm

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/sc-1...automatic.html

im going to stop here since we all should know not to question the internet god named corbic

Corbic · 09-22-2016, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by inopsey

im going to stop here since we all should know not to question the internet god named corbic

That's the only thing intelligent you posted.

So you want to compare a VVTi Manual 1JZ on a Mustang Dyno with whatever small ass stock location turbo to a Non-VVTi Automatic 2JZ with a PT6262 on a Dynojet.

6262 is also a what, 700hp Turbo and he's only making 450? Omfg lag?

I'm sure your going to spout off some internet nonsense about 1JZ heads but the realty is they don't flow any better then the 2JZ NA heads. I'll take the off the shelf pets and 500cc of displacement thank you.

Fuckers pay $3k+ for 200cc stroker kits. Why would I pay more to get a smaller displacement engine made from harder to get parts?

inopsey · 09-22-2016, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Corbic

That's the only thing intelligent you posted.

So you want to compare a VVTi Manual 1JZ on a Mustang Dyno with whatever small ass stock location turbo to a Non-VVTi Automatic 2JZ with a PT6262 on a Dynojet.

6262 is also a what, 700hp Turbo and he's only making 450? Omfg lag?

I'm sure your going to spout off some internet nonsense about 1JZ heads but the realty is they don't flow any better then the 2JZ NA heads. I'll take the off the shelf pets and 500cc of displacement thank you.

Fuckers pay $3k+ for 200cc stroker kits. Why would I pay more to get a smaller displacement engine made from harder to get parts?

ok heres a stock 2jz with stock turbos

still only gets full boost at 4k rpm while the 'inferior' 1jz is 1k rpm earlier

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/perf...n-numbers.html

shouldnt you be trolling a mustang form with all your shit talk of displacement being such a great advantage to make power?

Corbic · 09-22-2016, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by inopsey

ok heres a stock 2jz with stock turbos

still only gets full boost at 4k rpm while the 'inferior' 1jz is 1k rpm earlier

http://www.clublexus.com/forums/perf...n-numbers.html

shouldnt you be trolling a mustang form with all your shit talk of displacement being such a great advantage to make power?

"Full Boost" what the fuck are you even blabbering about.

You are comparing two completely different modified engines on two completely different dyno systems.

How is a 1JZ going to make more power if everything is the same except the displacement?

Here ya go.

http://dustrunnersauto.com/1jz-vs-2jz/

As far as trolling. If you are so worried about how soon you get "full boost", just do what I did....

conrad_s13.5 · 09-23-2016, 02:26 PM

if it means anything...

I spent less than 7k to do a proper 1jz swap, and its been the best choice Ive made with this shitbox s13 so far.
Mods: FMIC, Competition Clutch, 1pc driveshaft, exhaust, bigger intake, stock boost.

I planned to upgrade turbo, injectors and shit eventually but stock is everything I always wanted my built SR's to be.

I daily this car, drive it to the track, drive the track, drive home and to work the next morning.

In 2.5 solid years of abuse Ive replaced a powersteering pump (I may or may not have been at fault for destroying) and an ALT.
Both parts which and can be bought locally. Another plus

1JZs are neat.

simmode1 · 09-23-2016, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Corbic

But it won't have rebuilt C16 turbos!

Also, a TT Supra is more like $40k these days.

Geezus fucking Christ.. It's been so long since I've even bothered to look... Looked at local CL to verify and shit yeah... there was a damn N/A listed for $40k. Bihhhhh...

Ok well, anyways... there are a number of other cars I'd prefer to spend $20k on rather than JZ swapping a 20-30 year old shit box.

$10k is my limit as far has how much I'd want to pour into a 240.

Corbic · 09-23-2016, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by simmode1

Geezus fucking Christ.. It's been so long since I've even bothered to look... Looked at local CL to verify and shit yeah... there was a damn N/A listed for $40k. Bihhhhh...

Ok well, anyways... there are a number of other cars I'd prefer to spend $20k on rather than JZ swapping a 20-30 year old shit box.

$10k is my limit as far has how much I'd want to pour into a 240.

This goes back to just grab a SC300, they come with 2Js lol.

I'd build a Boostang. Sucker is basically a badass drag/street right from the get go. Easy to build rear and suspension. If you want Auto a th400 is dirt cheap.

This guy built a 200mph 1000whp stang for like $10k total.

Corbic · 09-23-2016, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by simmode1

Geezus fucking Christ.. It's been so long since I've even bothered to look... Looked at local CL to verify and shit yeah... there was a damn N/A listed for $40k. Bihhhhh...

Back in like 2005 Super Street listed their top $10k used car picks. It was like EM1 Si, NA Supra, GSX, and Impreza RS.

They then had their $10k S13 build to show how it could stomp stock Evos and STis.

09-22-2016, 08:11 AM	#35
tricky_ab Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: It's dark, and hell is hot! Posts: 9,413 Trader Rating: (23) Feedback Score: 23 reviews	...I sure do miss cheaper SR parts... __________________ Instagram Back for round two... 4 doors this time around...

09-22-2016, 03:07 PM	#38
smoked240 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: North Dakota Age: 30 Posts: 1,066 Trader Rating: (4) Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Rb25 swap down to a 1pcs driveshaft and a stage 2 clutch for 5k __________________

09-22-2016, 04:28 PM	#42
simmode1 Post Whore! Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Addison, TX Posts: 5,526 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	At $20k, just buy a fucking Supra or some equivalent. Dafuq is wrong with you? __________________ "Simplicity is the key to brilliance." - Bruce Lee

09-23-2016, 02:26 PM	#48
conrad_s13.5 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: STL Age: 34 Posts: 1,533 Trader Rating: (6) Feedback Score: 6 reviews	if it means anything... I spent less than 7k to do a proper 1jz swap, and its been the best choice Ive made with this shitbox s13 so far. Mods: FMIC, Competition Clutch, 1pc driveshaft, exhaust, bigger intake, stock boost. I planned to upgrade turbo, injectors and shit eventually but stock is everything I always wanted my built SR's to be. I daily this car, drive it to the track, drive the track, drive home and to work the next morning. In 2.5 solid years of abuse Ive replaced a powersteering pump (I may or may not have been at fault for destroying) and an ALT. Both parts which and can be bought locally. Another plus 1JZs are neat. __________________ cONtRol FReAkS

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09-20-2016, 06:17 PM	#31
spooled240 Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 4,143 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	I wouldn't mess with a GE block. You can get vvti GTE's for $2k and that already comes with the FFIM, oil squirters, bulletproof internals and the Aristo A350 trans that you could sell for a couple hundred.

09-22-2016, 02:26 AM	#34
rawgarage Banned from the Marketplace Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: h o u s t o n Age: 32 Posts: 5,990 Trader Rating: (75) Feedback Score: 75 reviews	Hahahahahhah

09-22-2016, 08:17 AM	#36
Corbic Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: US Age: 37 Posts: 8,027 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	OP ran off and is hiding from his shame.

09-22-2016, 03:39 PM	#40
tuzzio Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Western Mass. Posts: 2,254 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	If youre 20K deep into a JZ swap it better be making some serious numbers. An auto 2jz swap is 2K. I could see $10K being a much more realistic number for a reasonably modded jz