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nsn240 · 11-03-2007, 02:14 PM

Anyone using these for handling reasons as opposed to drifting?
I think they'd be pretty sick either way

B Love · 11-03-2007, 03:42 PM

Its overall a good deal. Plus they are proven to handle abuse.

veilside180sx · 11-03-2007, 04:39 PM

All of the questions being asked and answered are very subjective as to how "handle", "feel sick", "handle abuse". Everything is relative to whomever is obviously making the comment, and the experience level of the person involved. I would take most avg. person's opinions and throw it out the window because they are inexperienced and opinions aren't valid due to the lack of experience.

smokins14 · 11-03-2007, 04:39 PM

Man, I want to try these out and compare them to my JIC's.

jobestudios · 11-04-2007, 01:46 AM

The only thing that concerns me with these new waves of entry level coilovers such as pbmax/stance/kbee... Yes they all praise how easy it is to get replacement shocks, however how about 3-4 years down the road, will the company still be around or have had enough impact to have a surplus warehouse like the bigger brands?

B Love · 11-04-2007, 01:08 AM

Yea but thats just the same with any company. pbmax is has been in japan before it came here. But any company can fold and you would be left with no way to get things repaired.

*!Zar!* · 11-04-2007, 01:25 AM

It's annoying how everyone says the same thing when someone asks how it feels. "Dude it's SO stiff. Like you gotta be hardcore to handle it". In my eyes, and anyone who has common since, that means they suck. There is nothing cool about having a stiff as fuck car. Handling wise that's dumb. And people who buy a product based on such are just as dumb.

KA24DESOneThree · 11-04-2007, 08:57 AM

!Zar!, it's all in the idea that stiff means less roll, and that's kind of what the Japanese lower-end coilover manufacturers are designing, then having made God knows where. Stiffness artificially reduces roll which should be reduced through other means like upgrading sways.

I cannot believe that a coilover in this price bracket can have anything resembling proper bump response, especially at this stiffness level.

If you want a proper grip coilover, you'll have to listen to Steve or Ace. These Japanese-designed, ??-made cheapo aftermarket coilovers lack proper valving. Their stiffness is a liability when trying to walk the razor's edge of maximum adhesion.

This is why I'm location-apathetic. SD guys love PBM, LA guys love PG, TX guys love Viceroy, etc. There's a whole lot of unwarranted nut-swinging around here.

hitman · 11-04-2007, 09:14 AM

i like my car stiff. helps me control the car better. the pro drift cars have a lot of body roll but i dont have the skill they do so i have less body roll and its easier to control

B Love · 11-04-2007, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hitman

pro drift cars have a lot of body rolll

You built one?

drift freaq · 11-04-2007, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

!Zar!, it's all in the idea that stiff means less roll, and that's kind of what the Japanese lower-end coilover manufacturers are designing, then having made God knows where. Stiffness artificially reduces roll which should be reduced through other means like upgrading sways.

I cannot believe that a coilover in this price bracket can have anything resembling proper bump response, especially at this stiffness level.

If you want a proper grip coilover, you'll have to listen to Steve or Ace. These Japanese-designed, ??-made cheapo aftermarket coilovers lack proper valving. Their stiffness is a liability when trying to walk the razor's edge of maximum adhesion.

This is why I'm location-apathetic. SD guys love PBM, LA guys love PG, TX guys love Viceroy, etc. There's a whole lot of unwarranted nut-swinging around here.

Ahem, I am from LA and though I know Aaron and Lindsay and have nothing against them, do not lump me into this LA guys love PG generalization. There are to many 240 guys in Los Angeles with lots of experience and knowledge, that have nothing to do with PG, for you to be making this generalization.

I have posted numerously as well over the years about Koni's and Ground control. I have tried out several different brands of shocks as well. I do have a set of KBEE's on one of my cars right now to check them out. I also have Ohlins on one of my other cars.
I am building a set of Koni's because I want them. I do agree with Zar that most of the people jocking PBMAX are just saying they are stiff as hell which means they rock. You know as well as I that does not make the shock.
Though I will say your Generalizations about locations swinging to a particular manufacture are just that. Names will sell a brand there is no doubt. Though it does not mean everyone is on the same bandwagon.

Dousan_PG · 11-04-2007, 10:43 AM

yah fuck pg
no one gives a shit about us! we just be a group of friends. nothing else.
haha
the SD guys and PbM guys are solid doods
drove behind a lot of them at ASB3

good guys

excellent drifters

and seems their parts held up well to the many abuses

so yeah.
whatever works
put it on and drive!!!!

hitman · 11-04-2007, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B Love

You built one?

no lol, but if you watch forsberg at htm his car has a lot of body roll, or pics you can see how his bumper is angled towards the ground and shit. its for more grip since they go fast

Dousan_PG · 11-04-2007, 11:06 AM

werd
not all drift cars are stiff as dicks on viagra
many are pretty soft
all driver preference
the few d1 ones i rode in
koguchi's red 180sx is stiff
but zamurais and kenjis fcs are soft

driver preference.
duh.

B Love · 11-04-2007, 11:06 AM

WOOOOO I wanna go fast

drift freaq · 11-04-2007, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dousan_PG

werd
not all drift cars are stiff as dicks on viagra

lol breaking out the mad funny analogies.

SDS13COUPE · 11-04-2007, 11:22 AM

I got max coilovers on my coupe and love em. Definetly worth every penny.

tougemaster · 11-04-2007, 11:27 AM

Coilover are stiff if anyone keep saying how stiff they are then go with spring and shocks. THIS IS HOW COILOVER ARE!!!! even Tein Flex

*NemeGuero* · 11-04-2007, 11:35 AM

I like them. Sure they bounce a little, but they feel good and respond very predictably.

I traded my stance for these and no regrets. The problems I was having with Stance had nothing to do with my inability to properly assemble a coilover as Mel was pointing out.. It was due to a flaw in their pillow mount design.

My Max don't have that issue. Sure, the damping could be better, but its $1000 for coilovers. Am I going to be pushing the limits hard enough to notice the difference? No, I'm not a time attack racer. I just like to have fun with my car. I don't have the time or commitment to be a competitive racer, so I just go and slide for fun every chance I get.. and these are perfect for me.

If I wanted a professionally competitive ultimate handling machine, I wouldn't use these.. but for what I want, these are perfect.

B Love · 11-04-2007, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tougemaster

Coilover are stiff if anyone keep saying how stiff they are then go with spring and shocks. THIS IS HOW COILOVER ARE!!!! even Tein Flex

Hahah no one was complaining about the stiffness. and take some grammar classes

KA24DESOneThree · 11-04-2007, 02:18 PM

Look who's talking. It's "grammar."

*NemeGuero* · 11-04-2007, 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KA24DESOneThree

Look who's talking. It's "grammar."

lawlz, pwnanza

overb0ost · 11-04-2007, 02:59 PM

hey NemeGuero, did you sell your stance or return them?

i was thinking of going with PBM as well, but i'd have to trade/sell my stance.

*NemeGuero* · 11-04-2007, 04:45 PM

Sold 'em.

DoriftoSlut · 11-04-2007, 05:27 PM

I would hate to be in the aftermarket 240sx industry. You guys jump bandwagons by the hour.

I've been daily driving my GF S14 with Stance coilovers for over a year with 0 issues.

Aaron's tracked his for over a year. No issues.

Now the cool thing to do is to get the next new product. You guys are like girls.

Guess what, my FC runs Teins*. Remember when those were cool?

*With SWIFT springs and custom valved dampers and shock length. But still, they LOOK** like Teins.

**Not really.

drift freaq · 11-04-2007, 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DoriftoSlut

I would hate to be in the aftermarket 240sx industry. You guys jump bandwagons by the hour.

I've been daily driving my GF S14 with Stance coilovers for over a year with 0 issues.

Aaron's tracked his for over a year. No issues.

Now the cool thing to do is to get the next new product. You guys are like girls.

Guess what, my FC runs Teins*. Remember when those were cool?

*With SWIFT springs and custom valved dampers and shock length. But still, they LOOK** like Teins.

**Not really.

Heh, I never thought Teins were cool Lindsay. In fact I always felt they where on the cheap low end kinda sucky side.

Though you never liked or went for Koni's and Ground Control. I mentioned I was giving the KBee's a shot because a friend liked them and I need to replace a suspension that was coming off one of the cars.
As far as jumping around goes people have done it for years and you know that. Its nothing new. First it was Teins, then it was JIC,then it was Tanabe's and Silkroad(insert a few other Japanese brands here as well), then it was KTS, Then it was STANCE. Now its PBM. This is nothing new going on. Its just you finally noticing it happens. LOL

P.S. I did not list KBEE's in that little list because they are still coming in, though initial impressions by me and a few others(who were able to get some of the first batch) are real good at this point.

Wiisass · 11-04-2007, 07:20 PM

http://www.theoryinpracticeengineeri...topic.php?t=80

unlegendary · 11-04-2007, 07:30 PM

i have these in my car, and i don't really mind the bouncy ness. my friend,who has endless zeals, told me my car was stiffer than his and i was surprised. also, the top dogs of sddrift.com use these and they're holdin' fine! these things can go ridiculously low if anybody likes that and i tested the coilovers to see how low they can go and i was basically on frame. once you get these coilovers, it's time to invest in a fender roller :] if you like low height. i haven't heard of anybody rebuilding their coilovers yet so i don't know whats up with that. I'm sure if your local in SD, PSM will rebuild them for a fee.

in addition, if you really want ride comfort just get a less aggressive coilover or just get some springs. i'm not a picky guy, so i adapted to the bounciness pretty quick but thats just some cautionary stuff.

*NemeGuero* · 11-04-2007, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wiisass

http://www.theoryinpracticeengineeri...topic.php?t=80

inconclusive?

veilside180sx · 11-04-2007, 07:48 PM

Such a copout for lousy damping "get a less aggressive coilover"...the spring rates aren't all that bad for a quality shock/strut to handle.

They feel "stiff" because the damping isn't done right.

Inconclusive, but still offers more insight than somone's butt damper dyno. Someone else send there's to Lee @ Koni and have him test it.

11-03-2007, 04:39 PM	#63
veilside180sx Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 303 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: veilside180sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	All of the questions being asked and answered are very subjective as to how "handle", "feel sick", "handle abuse". Everything is relative to whomever is obviously making the comment, and the experience level of the person involved. I would take most avg. person's opinions and throw it out the window because they are inexperienced and opinions aren't valid due to the lack of experience. __________________ www.nissanroadracing.com

11-04-2007, 01:46 AM	#65
jobestudios Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bellingham Posts: 349 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	The only thing that concerns me with these new waves of entry level coilovers such as pbmax/stance/kbee... Yes they all praise how easy it is to get replacement shocks, however how about 3-4 years down the road, will the company still be around or have had enough impact to have a surplus warehouse like the bigger brands? __________________ -Jackson.Vaughn.Photography-

11-04-2007, 01:25 AM	#67
!Zar! Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: North Korea Posts: 14,576 Trader Rating: (27) Feedback Score: 27 reviews	It's annoying how everyone says the same thing when someone asks how it feels. "Dude it's SO stiff. Like you gotta be hardcore to handle it". In my eyes, and anyone who has common since, that means they suck. There is nothing cool about having a stiff as fuck car. Handling wise that's dumb. And people who buy a product based on such are just as dumb. __________________

11-04-2007, 09:14 AM	#69
hitman Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: late 19th century prussia Age: 34 Posts: 1,057 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	i like my car stiff. helps me control the car better. the pro drift cars have a lot of body roll but i dont have the skill they do so i have less body roll and its easier to control __________________ driftparty.com

11-04-2007, 10:43 AM	#72
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 42 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	yah fuck pg no one gives a shit about us! we just be a group of friends. nothing else. haha the SD guys and PbM guys are solid doods drove behind a lot of them at ASB3 good guys excellent drifters and seems their parts held up well to the many abuses so yeah. whatever works put it on and drive!!!! __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

11-03-2007, 02:14 PM	#61
nsn240 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: pa Posts: 641 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Anyone using these for handling reasons as opposed to drifting? I think they'd be pretty sick either way

11-03-2007, 03:42 PM	#62
B Love Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: California Posts: 889 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Its overall a good deal. Plus they are proven to handle abuse.

11-03-2007, 04:39 PM	#64
smokins14 Leaky Injector Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: QC Posts: 96 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Man, I want to try these out and compare them to my JIC's.

11-04-2007, 01:08 AM	#66
B Love Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: California Posts: 889 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Yea but thats just the same with any company. pbmax is has been in japan before it came here. But any company can fold and you would be left with no way to get things repaired.

11-04-2007, 08:57 AM	#68
KA24DESOneThree Nissanaholic! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: SD County SoCal Age: 35 Posts: 2,441 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: KA24DESOneThree Feedback Score: 2 reviews	!Zar!, it's all in the idea that stiff means less roll, and that's kind of what the Japanese lower-end coilover manufacturers are designing, then having made God knows where. Stiffness artificially reduces roll which should be reduced through other means like upgrading sways. I cannot believe that a coilover in this price bracket can have anything resembling proper bump response, especially at this stiffness level. If you want a proper grip coilover, you'll have to listen to Steve or Ace. These Japanese-designed, ??-made cheapo aftermarket coilovers lack proper valving. Their stiffness is a liability when trying to walk the razor's edge of maximum adhesion. This is why I'm location-apathetic. SD guys love PBM, LA guys love PG, TX guys love Viceroy, etc. There's a whole lot of unwarranted nut-swinging around here.

11-04-2007, 11:06 AM	#74
Dousan_PG Post Whore! Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 42 Posts: 16,640 Trader Rating: (23) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG Feedback Score: 23 reviews	werd not all drift cars are stiff as dicks on viagra many are pretty soft all driver preference the few d1 ones i rode in koguchi's red 180sx is stiff but zamurais and kenjis fcs are soft driver preference. duh. __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

11-04-2007, 11:22 AM	#77
SDS13COUPE Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2006 Location: San Diego Age: 35 Posts: 1,402 Trader Rating: (19) Feedback Score: 19 reviews	I got max coilovers on my coupe and love em. Definetly worth every penny.

11-04-2007, 11:27 AM	#78
tougemaster Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: cal Posts: 410 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Coilover are stiff if anyone keep saying how stiff they are then go with spring and shocks. THIS IS HOW COILOVER ARE!!!! even Tein Flex

11-04-2007, 11:35 AM	#79
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 36 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	I like them. Sure they bounce a little, but they feel good and respond very predictably. I traded my stance for these and no regrets. The problems I was having with Stance had nothing to do with my inability to properly assemble a coilover as Mel was pointing out.. It was due to a flaw in their pillow mount design. My Max don't have that issue. Sure, the damping could be better, but its $1000 for coilovers. Am I going to be pushing the limits hard enough to notice the difference? No, I'm not a time attack racer. I just like to have fun with my car. I don't have the time or commitment to be a competitive racer, so I just go and slide for fun every chance I get.. and these are perfect for me. If I wanted a professionally competitive ultimate handling machine, I wouldn't use these.. but for what I want, these are perfect. __________________

11-04-2007, 02:18 PM	#81
KA24DESOneThree Nissanaholic! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: SD County SoCal Age: 35 Posts: 2,441 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: KA24DESOneThree Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Look who's talking. It's "grammar."

11-04-2007, 02:59 PM	#83
overb0ost Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: OH Posts: 393 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hey NemeGuero, did you sell your stance or return them? i was thinking of going with PBM as well, but i'd have to trade/sell my stance.

11-04-2007, 04:45 PM	#84
NemeGuero No more nissan. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: RAIN, Washington. Age: 36 Posts: 8,132 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: NemeGuero Feedback Score: 10 reviews	Sold 'em. __________________

11-04-2007, 05:27 PM	#85
DoriftoSlut Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: SoCal and Hawaii Age: 37 Posts: 1,986 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I would hate to be in the aftermarket 240sx industry. You guys jump bandwagons by the hour. I've been daily driving my GF S14 with Stance coilovers for over a year with 0 issues. Aaron's tracked his for over a year. No issues. Now the cool thing to do is to get the next new product. You guys are like girls. Guess what, my FC runs Teins. Remember when those were cool? With SWIFT springs and custom valved dampers and shock length. But still, they LOOK like Teins. Not really. __________________ Death Before Dishonor. www.pinkgodzira.com www.driftalliance.com

11-04-2007, 07:20 PM	#87
Wiisass Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Philly Posts: 486 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	http://www.theoryinpracticeengineeri...topic.php?t=80 __________________ TIP Engineering R/T Tuning Drift and RWD Sport DriftAssNation

11-04-2007, 07:30 PM	#88
unlegendary Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: with my parents Posts: 625 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	i have these in my car, and i don't really mind the bouncy ness. my friend,who has endless zeals, told me my car was stiffer than his and i was surprised. also, the top dogs of sddrift.com use these and they're holdin' fine! these things can go ridiculously low if anybody likes that and i tested the coilovers to see how low they can go and i was basically on frame. once you get these coilovers, it's time to invest in a fender roller :] if you like low height. i haven't heard of anybody rebuilding their coilovers yet so i don't know whats up with that. I'm sure if your local in SD, PSM will rebuild them for a fee. in addition, if you really want ride comfort just get a less aggressive coilover or just get some springs. i'm not a picky guy, so i adapted to the bounciness pretty quick but thats just some cautionary stuff. __________________ Full Time Student for Life

11-04-2007, 07:48 PM	#90
veilside180sx Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 303 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: veilside180sx Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Such a copout for lousy damping "get a less aggressive coilover"...the spring rates aren't all that bad for a quality shock/strut to handle. They feel "stiff" because the damping isn't done right. Inconclusive, but still offers more insight than somone's butt damper dyno. Someone else send there's to Lee @ Koni and have him test it. __________________ www.nissanroadracing.com

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