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ChingSR20 · 10-22-2007, 05:38 AM

arnt Cusco and safety 21 the same thing?

Koopa Troopa · 10-22-2007, 05:42 AM

Yes.。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。

Baron Fel · 10-22-2007, 08:44 AM

hahhahha that is why you got kicked off AZ240 chris! lol no one cares what is allowed in japan...

Koopa Troopa · 10-22-2007, 08:50 AM

Neither do I. I'm just saying quit talking out of your ass. I have a friend who's accident report states the only reason why he got away with a broken hip and not dead was because of his Cusco cage with door bars.

You're completely ignorant if you think Cusco cages arn't a safety item

Baron Fel · 10-22-2007, 08:54 AM

that's great, I'm glad your friend was able to walk away from a wreck. Cusco still isn't allowed by racing body's in the US as a roll cage though

Koopa Troopa · 10-22-2007, 08:58 AM

D1GP USA recognizes it.......

Baron Fel · 10-22-2007, 09:16 AM

Only if it's modified and has the main hoop diagonal support added....

Koopa Troopa · 10-22-2007, 09:27 AM

Modified how? The rulebook never said anything other than needing a Cusco 7 point or more.

Baron Fel · 10-22-2007, 09:34 AM

all cusco cages I've ever seen do not have the diagonal bar behind the driver

fromxtor · 10-22-2007, 09:36 AM

I have the auto power 6 point for my hatch but may wind up getting new dash bars so they go through the vents in the dash.

Koopa Troopa · 10-22-2007, 09:38 AM

Yeah because they're for RHD cars genius... Good thing my Cusco 8 point has dual crossbars though...

B Love · 10-22-2007, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Koopa Troopa

You're a moron

Once again a moron

Cusco cages are recognized by D1 as the official roll cage and are used widely throughout Japan by many racing organizations such as Jun, Tomei, Toda, etc.

Thank you. I swear people just talk shit on cusco because they heard someone else doing it. Not from experience or fact.

B Love · 10-22-2007, 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChingSR20

arnt Cusco and safety 21 the same thing?

Cusco = Aluminum and blue
Saftey 21 = black and steel
I beleive cusco uses thicker piping but they are both distributed by the same company.

B Love · 10-22-2007, 10:45 AM

Saftey 21 info-

A variety of roll bars are available based on bay layout and number of passengers
Safety21 cages are available up to 300 Japanese model vehicles.
Front roll bars/cages are designed not to hinder the driver's view from inside the vehicle.
Mounting points, bar joints, and other details were throughly examined, researched, and tested prior to making its final version available.
40mm cold drawn seemless carbon steel material.
Pipe thickness=2.0mm
Mount Plate Size Thickness=Over 60cm2/2.6mm
Reinforce Plate Size Thickness=Over 120cm2/3.2mm
Starting price: $370.00

Cusco Info-

40mm chromoly pipes used, which are 33% lighter compared to other conventional steel cages.
Lightweight joints used to increase safety with competition roll bar design layout.
Strategically mounted to increase maximum body rigidity.
Bar layout is designed from extensive hands on experience. Bar structures designs are based on feedback directly from the racetrack, which is proven to be effective. Not only are you going to recieve a stylish bar, but you will also be receiving a bar with a purpose.
Japanese MOT recognized/certified roll bars.
Price is set by roll bar type, not car type.
Seating capacity may be restricted on some roll bars.
Price starting at $470.00

All this info is there if you look for it. www.Napusa.com

Koopa Troopa · 10-22-2007, 02:19 PM

Cusco and Safety 21 are the same company. Like Nissan and Infinity.

LeonL · 10-22-2007, 02:32 PM

Try this.
http://www.kirkracing.com/

EJ253 · 10-22-2007, 03:14 PM

fromxtor,
your autopower cage goes threw the dash?

fromxtor · 10-22-2007, 05:06 PM

No it does not, but I figure I can either get the dash bars re-bent or get new ones made by a shop. I have this one:

EJ253 · 10-22-2007, 05:29 PM

yeah i was about to ask you which one you had, your one step ahead of me

as of right now, im planning on just buying the bolt in 6 point
if it doesnt fit perfect i can just modify it, i can weld steel and im sure i can find someone who will let me use their welder

Folken · 10-22-2007, 05:55 PM

explain to me how Baron Fel is a moron, from my understanding that roll cage will crack your head open in a accident on the highway, maybe I don't under the metal vs. head concept... I'm seriously asking koopa

ep510 · 10-22-2007, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EJ253

yeah i was about to ask you which one you had, your one step ahead of me

as of right now, im planning on just buying the bolt in 6 point
if it doesnt fit perfect i can just modify it, i can weld steel and im sure i can find someone who will let me use their welder

If you can weld ---Get someone to loan you a tubing bender or buy one.
My buddy built an SCCA Legal Rollbar ( not cage) for less than $200 in DOM tubing and some scrap metal he had for the gussetts and plates. Took us about 3 days of actual work time over 2 weekends.

Big Question is ---Are you racing? Doing Time trials? ( time attacks to the JDM crowd) --or looking for a place to mount harnesses? --If you are not door to door and street drive the car --consider a roll bar---it really stiffened up my car and gives rollover protection.

Autopower is not known for tight fitment as you would get with a custom Roll bar/ Roll Cage ---but they are safe and are in many cars across the USA. If this is a street car --I guess you need to be concerned about how it looks --but for a track car --it will not make much difference after you start abusing the car.

The Cusco and Safety 21's etc are not SCCA/NASA legal as mentioned. However --if you are not racing the car --say maybe Autocrossing --they would be fine.

McRussellPants · 10-22-2007, 06:27 PM

Technically, if you got the trough dash Cusco, added a diagonal to the mainhoop and got your car under 2200lbs it would be close enough to SCCA to pass.

B Love · 10-22-2007, 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Folken

explain to me how Baron Fel is a moron, from my understanding that roll cage will crack your head open in a accident on the highway, maybe I don't under the metal vs. head concept... I'm seriously asking koopa

Koopa called him a moron because he was saying that cusco isnt recognized by any racing body in the us. When in fact its recognized by d1 and Formula d They just need to be welded in and have the bar accross the back which cusco does have. And as far as hitting your head while on the highway you can take that bar out on the Cusco so theres another bad reason to say Cusco isnt good. Either way any cage you would need to run in a drifting type series you would need that front bar. Plus a Cusco you can throw it in before an event and take it out as needed. Dont get me wrong there are a million shops that make cages far superior that Cusco (Battle Version) for example. But Cusco has way better fitment than auto power and is more available IMO. Koopa was just disproving Baron Fel's argument that Cusco isnt a good cage. I know for a Fact Cusco cages can be used in D1 and Formula D and if it passes Formula D standards than im sure it will pass just about anything else. But if you want to play it safe and your in Cali Alex P (Battle Version) Makes formula D legal cages for s13 and 14 I beleive and installs them also. Im not sure if he ships the pipes or not but all of is stuff is FD legal, and I beleive the only reason Cusco might not be Scca legal ( I dont know if it is legal or not) Is because the 2 bends that go around the dash and if that is illegal than just buy the one that goes thru the dash

fromxtor · 10-22-2007, 06:50 PM

^^Not running a cage at all is also recognized by some sanctioning bodies, but you wont catch me w/o one.

B Love · 10-22-2007, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fromxtor

^^Not running a cage at all is also recognized by some sanctioning bodies, but you wont catch me w/o one.

Yea alot of the smaller events let you run no cage but it also depends where you are like Wsir balcony no cage is fine. You cant run tandem tho but say WSIR htm well you probably have to have a cage since alot of people roll.

DudeYourSoOOJDM · 10-22-2007, 07:21 PM

HenryPinkFC aka WrongwayFab did mine and it came out beautiful. The B pillars are even welded to the cage. So much head clearance it's not even funny. I'll post pics soon

KiDyNomiTe · 10-22-2007, 07:22 PM

I had autopower, for the price its nice enough. The fitment on mine was nice, it cant get much better for a wrap around the dash cage. It could have been closer to the B pillars, but otherwise it was good. Fitmenet depends on install as well, its somewhat adjustable.

But now I have a custom cage and it is the sex, thru the dash, gussets double doorbars and all that goodness, fitment is perfect. I would never go back to autopower or any non custom.

nwmrkt · 10-22-2007, 07:30 PM

What do you guys think of the 4 point autopower? For a street/track car? These do have proper points for harness mounting right? Driver/passenger...

B Love · 10-22-2007, 07:46 PM

I wouldn't get a cage for the track unless I had door bars to run tandem. Unless your running auto cross or something and its required.

nwmrkt · 10-22-2007, 07:48 PM

ic thanks. I was just really interested for the proper harness points. then stock 3 point with a cg lock will do.

10-22-2007, 05:42 AM	#32
Koopa Troopa Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: 北谷著, 沖縄県、日本 Posts: 2,565 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Yes.。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。 __________________ Buy my Stillway shifter!

10-22-2007, 08:44 AM	#33
Baron Fel Leaky Injector Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Mesa, Arizona Posts: 148 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	hahhahha that is why you got kicked off AZ240 chris! lol no one cares what is allowed in japan... __________________ -Chris now accepting funds for the LS1 swap!

10-22-2007, 08:50 AM	#34
Koopa Troopa Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: 北谷著, 沖縄県、日本 Posts: 2,565 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Neither do I. I'm just saying quit talking out of your ass. I have a friend who's accident report states the only reason why he got away with a broken hip and not dead was because of his Cusco cage with door bars. You're completely ignorant if you think Cusco cages arn't a safety item __________________ Buy my Stillway shifter!

10-22-2007, 08:54 AM	#35
Baron Fel Leaky Injector Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Mesa, Arizona Posts: 148 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	that's great, I'm glad your friend was able to walk away from a wreck. Cusco still isn't allowed by racing body's in the US as a roll cage though __________________ -Chris now accepting funds for the LS1 swap!

10-22-2007, 08:58 AM	#36
Koopa Troopa Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: 北谷著, 沖縄県、日本 Posts: 2,565 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	D1GP USA recognizes it....... __________________ Buy my Stillway shifter!

10-22-2007, 05:38 AM	#31
ChingSR20 Leaky Injector Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Guam Age: 35 Posts: 65 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	arnt Cusco and safety 21 the same thing?

10-22-2007, 09:16 AM	#37
Baron Fel Leaky Injector Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Mesa, Arizona Posts: 148 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Only if it's modified and has the main hoop diagonal support added.... __________________ -Chris now accepting funds for the LS1 swap!

10-22-2007, 09:27 AM	#38
Koopa Troopa Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: 北谷著, 沖縄県、日本 Posts: 2,565 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Modified how? The rulebook never said anything other than needing a Cusco 7 point or more. __________________ Buy my Stillway shifter!

10-22-2007, 09:34 AM	#39
Baron Fel Leaky Injector Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Mesa, Arizona Posts: 148 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	all cusco cages I've ever seen do not have the diagonal bar behind the driver __________________ -Chris now accepting funds for the LS1 swap!

10-22-2007, 09:36 AM	#40
fromxtor Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: NC Age: 40 Posts: 3,012 Trader Rating: (23) Feedback Score: 23 reviews	I have the auto power 6 point for my hatch but may wind up getting new dash bars so they go through the vents in the dash. __________________ Seller feedback>>http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.p...light=fromxtor

10-22-2007, 09:38 AM	#41
Koopa Troopa Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: 北谷著, 沖縄県、日本 Posts: 2,565 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Yeah because they're for RHD cars genius... Good thing my Cusco 8 point has dual crossbars though... __________________ Buy my Stillway shifter!

10-22-2007, 10:45 AM	#44
B Love Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: California Posts: 889 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Saftey 21 info- A variety of roll bars are available based on bay layout and number of passengers Safety21 cages are available up to 300 Japanese model vehicles. Front roll bars/cages are designed not to hinder the driver's view from inside the vehicle. Mounting points, bar joints, and other details were throughly examined, researched, and tested prior to making its final version available. 40mm cold drawn seemless carbon steel material. Pipe thickness=2.0mm Mount Plate Size Thickness=Over 60cm2/2.6mm Reinforce Plate Size Thickness=Over 120cm2/3.2mm Starting price: $370.00 Cusco Info- 40mm chromoly pipes used, which are 33% lighter compared to other conventional steel cages. Lightweight joints used to increase safety with competition roll bar design layout. Strategically mounted to increase maximum body rigidity. Bar layout is designed from extensive hands on experience. Bar structures designs are based on feedback directly from the racetrack, which is proven to be effective. Not only are you going to recieve a stylish bar, but you will also be receiving a bar with a purpose. Japanese MOT recognized/certified roll bars. Price is set by roll bar type, not car type. Seating capacity may be restricted on some roll bars. Price starting at $470.00 All this info is there if you look for it. www.Napusa.com

10-22-2007, 02:19 PM	#45
Koopa Troopa Post Whore! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: 北谷著, 沖縄県、日本 Posts: 2,565 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Cusco and Safety 21 are the same company. Like Nissan and Infinity. __________________ Buy my Stillway shifter!

10-22-2007, 02:32 PM	#46
LeonL Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: AL Posts: 163 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Try this. http://www.kirkracing.com/

10-22-2007, 03:14 PM	#47
EJ253 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Salt Lake City Age: 32 Posts: 1,154 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: EJ253 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	fromxtor, your autopower cage goes threw the dash? __________________ The gap between MORE and ENOUGH never closes. DriftUtah \| UtahNissans \| MySpace \| I <3 Drifting. Keep it Real. Secret Society

10-22-2007, 05:06 PM	#48
fromxtor Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: NC Age: 40 Posts: 3,012 Trader Rating: (23) Feedback Score: 23 reviews	No it does not, but I figure I can either get the dash bars re-bent or get new ones made by a shop. I have this one: __________________ Seller feedback>>http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.p...light=fromxtor

10-22-2007, 05:29 PM	#49
EJ253 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Salt Lake City Age: 32 Posts: 1,154 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: EJ253 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	yeah i was about to ask you which one you had, your one step ahead of me as of right now, im planning on just buying the bolt in 6 point if it doesnt fit perfect i can just modify it, i can weld steel and im sure i can find someone who will let me use their welder __________________ The gap between MORE and ENOUGH never closes. DriftUtah \| UtahNissans \| MySpace \| I <3 Drifting. Keep it Real. Secret Society

10-22-2007, 05:55 PM	#50
Folken Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cherry Hill Area, NJ Age: 36 Posts: 142 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	explain to me how Baron Fel is a moron, from my understanding that roll cage will crack your head open in a accident on the highway, maybe I don't under the metal vs. head concept... I'm seriously asking koopa

10-22-2007, 06:27 PM	#52
McRussellPants Nissanaholic! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 2,168 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Technically, if you got the trough dash Cusco, added a diagonal to the mainhoop and got your car under 2200lbs it would be close enough to SCCA to pass.

10-22-2007, 06:50 PM	#54
fromxtor Post Whore! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: NC Age: 40 Posts: 3,012 Trader Rating: (23) Feedback Score: 23 reviews	^^Not running a cage at all is also recognized by some sanctioning bodies, but you wont catch me w/o one. __________________ Seller feedback>>http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.p...light=fromxtor

10-22-2007, 07:21 PM	#56
DudeYourSoOOJDM Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Palmdale CA Age: 38 Posts: 479 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	HenryPinkFC aka WrongwayFab did mine and it came out beautiful. The B pillars are even welded to the cage. So much head clearance it's not even funny. I'll post pics soon __________________ Since 2001.

10-22-2007, 07:22 PM	#57
KiDyNomiTe Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chicago Age: 35 Posts: 6,296 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: KiDyNomiTe Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I had autopower, for the price its nice enough. The fitment on mine was nice, it cant get much better for a wrap around the dash cage. It could have been closer to the B pillars, but otherwise it was good. Fitmenet depends on install as well, its somewhat adjustable. But now I have a custom cage and it is the sex, thru the dash, gussets double doorbars and all that goodness, fitment is perfect. I would never go back to autopower or any non custom. __________________ PROCEED Grip Gambler

10-22-2007, 07:30 PM	#58
nwmrkt Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 155 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	What do you guys think of the 4 point autopower? For a street/track car? These do have proper points for harness mounting right? Driver/passenger...

10-22-2007, 07:46 PM	#59
B Love Zilvia Addict Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: California Posts: 889 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I wouldn't get a cage for the track unless I had door bars to run tandem. Unless your running auto cross or something and its required.

10-22-2007, 07:48 PM	#60
nwmrkt Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 155 Trader Rating: (11) Feedback Score: 11 reviews	ic thanks. I was just really interested for the proper harness points. then stock 3 point with a cg lock will do.

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